pH Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 680710 Rose Grove 48493 8.20.jpg About mid-morning my friend and I set off for Rose Grove where 48493 is seen struggling out of the yard. Bus on a bridge cliche! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2018 Bus on a bridge cliche! Prototype for everything.... Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve4rosegrove Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Prototype for everything.... Phil Well there WAS a bus stop on that bridge right by the station. And I have a model (EFE I think) of the right bus so (one day) I can recreate the scene on my model Rose Grove. Realistically it is the shed and East as far as the that road over-bridge, West to the canal. Steve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I've just looked at my pictures taken at Rose Grove in September 1968, and I've also caught a bus on what I presume is that same bridge. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2018 Sadly, I've now reached the end of my colour slides of steam locos so here's the final installment: Then I'll add my thanks too, it's been great seeing these. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2018 I've just looked at my pictures taken at Rose Grove in September 1968, and I've also caught a bus on what I presume is that same bridge. Please put them up if you haven't already done so. Were there still any dead steam locos sitting around at that time. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikks Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 Many many thanks for all of these photos, although I had lost a lot of interest after 1963 ish! , I will never forget the shock, watching the tele in 1968 seeing the last scheduled steam hauled train on the news. I had seen steam engines built in the 40s ,50s, and as late as 1960 running, what plonkers decided that machines capable of another 30 plus years service should be put to the torch. Sorry Andy but pollies of all persuasions should be held accountable for these sort of actions. Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Trev52A Posted February 9, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2018 Mention of the CO-BO in an earlier post was it obvious back then that they were about to be withdrawn and what was the reactions to the withdrawal of several NBL diesels before steam had ended? I tended to ignore diesels as subjects for photography in the steam era - after all, they would be around for years, wouldn't they? (Nope!) I don't have a single photo of a CoBo in action or as a portrait. Any I did capture on film were merely incidental to the main subject (as in my earlier shot at Carnforth shed with 44809, 45025 and 75048) or as a foreground to something 'better' beyond. As in this view at Carnforth looking towards a 9F.. 92118 and D5718 at Carnforth on 17th March 1968 Or (going Off Topic) this one at Carlisle in 1967.. 45445 and D5707 at Carlisle on 5th August 1967 If I had known they were living on borrowed time I probably would have taken more notice of them. Cheers Trevor 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I hadn’t actually realised that the first Inter City 125 entered service, only 8 years after the last scheduled steam service and 12 years after the substantial end of steam ... that’s quite remarkable, when you think about it. For all the experimental and variable results of the “green diesel” period, the progress from the first diesels to the HST is a step change, by any standards 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Please put them up if you haven't already done so. Were there still any dead steam locos sitting around at that time. Jamie Link in my signature line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Link in my signature line. Great collection! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) If I had known they were living on borrowed time I probably would have taken more notice of them. I wouldn't have - and didn't. I believe I have 9 pictures of internal combustion UK rail vehicles from the 1960s. With the cost of developing and printing photographs, relative to what I had available to spend, I wasn't going to waste shots on diesels. I still have a folder from 1965 for developing and printing a 36 shot 35mm black and white film. Adding in the original cost of the film, the total comes pretty close to the top line (i.e. before any deductions) of what I was making from a summer job that year. Edited February 9, 2018 by pH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris Turnbull Posted February 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2018 I tended to ignore diesels as subjects for photography in the steam era - after all, they would be around for years, wouldn't they? (Nope!) I don't have a single photo of a CoBo in action or as a portrait. We've already had one Co-Bo in post #126 and here's a couple more. D5713 at Carnforth on 8th July. D5714 at Carnforth the next day. To my mind they are as redolent of the end of steam as any steam locomotive. And they were all withdrawn only a couple of months after the last steam locos. I know I was very excited when I saw them as I had a Hornby-Dublo Co-Bo but had never seen the real thing. Why did I have a Co-Bo? I have no idea. Chris Turnbull 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2018 To my mind they are as redolent of the end of steam as any steam locomotive. And they were all withdrawn only a couple of months after the last steam locos. I know I was very excited when I saw them as I had a Hornby-Dublo Co-Bo but had never seen the real thing. Why did I have a Co-Bo? I have no idea. I suppose by then even that area was pretty much all diesel, with the occasional remaining steam, and that photos from the time rather bias the view. But even locos aside those pictures show a completely different railway from now. It wasn't just steam leaving the scene that ended up being the change, it may have been the most obvious (and had a clear cut-off), but some of the less obvious were larger in many ways. Carnforth then compared to Carnforth as I've always seen it (or been old enough to remember, it seems odd to think steam ended a mere ten years before I was born) on those steam-free pictures is still a different world. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I’m struck by how dirty that Co-Bo is. I usually think of diesel-hauled carriage stock as being dirty and run-down, but that dates from my commuting days in the mid-80s to early 90s when they were obsolete, just waiting for replacement by electrification.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Were there still any dead steam locos sitting around at that time. Jamie Carnforth on September 2, 1968 had 43 steam locos.. On September 3: Lostock Hall had 40 Rose Grove had 29 Bolton had 17 Patricroft had 21 Newton Heath had 28 Edit to add - and on September 4, Speke Junction had one - https://www.flickr.com/photos/80572914@N06/7388736410 ) Edited February 9, 2018 by pH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I’m struck by how dirty that Co-Bo is. I usually think of diesel-hauled carriage stock as being dirty and run-down, but that dates from my commuting days in the mid-80s to early 90s when they were obsolete, just waiting for replacement by electrification.. And some of us are still waiting for electrification, now doubt I'll see Nottingham wired in my lifetime...... It'd be at the wrong station anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 You may find this interesting. Carnforth in 1933... https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EPW042017 Chris Turnbull 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 You may find this interesting. Carnforth in 1933... https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EPW042017 Chris Turnbull That is a fantastic web resource, for those unfamiliar with it, registering with the site is free and allows you to zoom in on the photographs, they are fairly high resolution so you can pick out really good detail Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Very interesting; I'd always thought of it as being a busy junction in a rural area, but the aerial photo shows what look like some blast furnaces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) Very interesting; I'd always thought of it as being a busy junction in a rural area, but the aerial photo shows what look like some blast furnaces. Yes there was an ironworks at the north end of the site I think it was accessed from the LNWR line north of the station. I'm not sure when it closed but I think it was post WW2. Jamie Edited February 10, 2018 by jamie92208 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Yes there was an ironworks at the north end of the site I think it was accessed from the LNWR line north of the station. I'm not sure when it closed but I think it was post WW2. It first appears on the 1891 map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/349823/470828/12/101394 and if you then go to the 1930 to 1938 map it has gone. Chris Turnbull Chris Turnbull Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 It first appears on the 1891 map https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/349823/470828/12/101394 and if you then go to the 1930 to 1938 map it has gone. Chris Turnbull Chris Turnbull Thanks, Chris, and thanks to those who posted photos here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Here are a couple more taken aboard the 'Special' I was on which was on its way to Guide Bridge (for a trip to Sheffield behind E26052 ) on 1st June 1968.. 70013 tops the summit out of Manchester Victoria at Miles Platting as photographers on the platform vie for the 'master shot'.. A few seconds earlier I had taken this view looking back.. 44884 drops back after banking the train out of Victoria, as photographers on the train vie for the 'master shot' !! The signal box is 'Miles Platting Junction'. This particular 'Black Five' rang bells with me, as it was the first '4er' I ever saw - at Low Fell back in 1963, hauling a dead V2. It was the first time I had seen it since then. Happy memories. Cheers Trevor 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 @Chris Colour shots of Co-Bos seem to be pretty rare - that's three I've seen from you! The first one (from the footbridge over the main lines at Carnforth) was a cracker! Cheers Trevor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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