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The more recent series of LNER wagons runs to five volumes, basically similar in quality to the original that you have, but a lot more detail. Volume 1 covers the "Southern area", namely ex GN, GC & GE wagons absorbed by the LNER. Vol.2 is ex NER vehicles, Vol.3 the Scottish area, and the Vols. 4a & 4b are LNER new builds. Around 50 pages of Vol.1 relate to the GE.

 

I do have the set, not cheap but I like quality books! If you have a special interest in the GE then Vol.1 may turn out to be the last word on the subject, as it's difficult to imagine someone else doing something even more detailed.

 

John.

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Just humming and harring on what bed tie down loops (for want of a better phrase, not knowing what they're actually called) to make.....

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I'm inclined to use the slighty larger ones made from brass 0.33. The smaller ones are made from the copper wire from some standsrd 3 core cable.

 

Your thoughts please......

 

 

Thanks

 

Scott

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I think they're both probably overscale, but the smaller one is better.  I make mine from very fine copper wire wrapped round a .75mm drill.

 

It depends whether you're going to use them to tie down a load, of course - they'll need to be big enough for you to pass thread or whatever through.

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Just a quick update on the 14ton ex GER well wagon.

I took your advice and went for the smaller loops...

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I've added the brake gear both sides

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And the ride height with the buffers are spot on, well, at least with my two scratch built wagons

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So nearly finished the well wagon, fastest scratch build I've done.

 

Cheers for looking.

 

BTW, after I've finished my GE corridor full brake and my CCT, I'll be doing my next build ny each step, as I've noticed some new icons on the replies.....

 

Scott

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I know I said my next build would be a step by step for all the new people that had started to look at what I do.   But I've had these grain hoppers staring at me asking to be built.  Along with the great photos JWealleans posted on the last page and the two books on "rolling stock worth modelling", I've given in, to try and finish these off.   I've started with the base and from here we'll see how it goes.  Its all a bit,  make it up as you go along, type thing.  Sometimes i wish there were instructions,  but that's half the fun, isn't it?

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Thanks for looking.

 

Scott

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Hi Scott

 

you seem to have got the hopper angles just right....when I tried a hopper wagon the actual hopper part came out a bit lopsided. Do you a particular method for getting the angles and lengths correct?

 

Jon

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2 hours ago, Jon4470 said:

Hi Scott

 

you seem to have got the hopper angles just right....when I tried a hopper wagon the actual hopper part came out a bit lopsided. Do you a particular method for getting the angles and lengths correct?

 

Jon

It was over 5 years ago when i built the hoppers, but if i remember correctly......

1. The long sloping ends were made first, the length is known, the triangular base is known and the bit where the grain falls out is known too.  It was just a matter of joining all the lines together.

2.  The slopey inny bits were next.  The long base line is known, we know the true height of the triangle and also the bit where the grain falls out.  In step 1. After cutting the long triangle we now know the length of the compound angle length.  Join all the lines and cut out.

 

You'll notice I've had to use a bit of filler here and there.  I'll upload a diagram to help explain things tomorrow night after 9pm.

 

I've done a bit more to the chassis tonight and they arevdrying under a small mountain of books to keep them flat,  I'll post the chassis pix tomorrow as well.

 

Anything else i can help with?

 

Thanks for the question, always happy to help a fellow scratcher 

 

Scott

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Jon,

 

A tad earlier than previously mentioned......

 

Hope this helps.  All of the main structures for all wagons, coaches and carriages are made with 0.75mm thk plasticard, so on some of the dims  (all in mm) you'll have to make your own adjustments to the thickness you prefer to work in.  On the end elevation at the bottom where the grain comes out, using 0.75, the size would be 4mm (5.5mm - 2 x mat'l thickness, don't want to teach you how to suck eggs or be condescending, sorry)20190417_080328.jpg.df4bdb15a95d64d3cb3e7580bdd27de8.jpg

 

Using the dims on my drawing you should be able to get a half decent representation of one of these hoppers.

 

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The three bases, if you'd like, i could make a drawing and cutting list for these.

 

The width of the 'I' beams is set to 25mm inside.  This is so, because ive found once the brass shoulder bearings are in the 'W' irons and they are glued to the inside of the frames, it will give the inside dim of 23.5mm which is ideal for the pinpoint axles. The width may not be to scale, but we'll see how well they'll turn out later.

 

Scott

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Couldn't resist,  had to do a bit....

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The start of the side supports on one side, as above and below with the othe bits of angle iron on...

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I think they will turn out ok....

 

Cheers

 

Scott

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The wagons are taking shape quite nicely.

 

Im using slaters flat strip for all the ribbing, the joggles in the angle iron just above the sole bars are looking neat too (wasn't looking forward to doing them, to tell the truth) but i think they're ok.

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This last picture shows some of the small bits I'm using for the underside of the long slope.

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With these i stick a length onto the small triangle, flip it over and stick another length to the other side.  Then feed it down so it meets the tight angle on the bottom, then glue the bigger end plate in.  Making sure its all equi-spaced and square. 

 

When all these bits are completed, tomorrow night hopefully, I'll start on getting the wheels on.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Scott.

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So far, so good.....

 

All the ends are nearly done, i cant put the 'T' section on the ends until the ends have the strips added from the corner uprights.

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All the side ribs are finished.

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This last piccy is a 3/4 view to show how well the ribs are turning out.

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Shant be boing too much for a couple of evenings,  but as soon as any reasonable progress has been made I'll post it here.

 

Thanks for looking

 

Scott

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Some progress made over the last couple of days.   The wheel Irons are cut out and glued, the 'T' sections dowm the ends and the side inspection hatches.

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Have started work on the two hatches that are on the top.  

 

Will post more as it happens.

 

Thank for looking

 

Scott

 

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Quite a bit has been done, the wheels are now correct.   I've started work on the grain roof sliding hatches, added the Vee hangers and have added the axle boxes and springs.

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I've treated myself to some etched brass ladders, wheels for the grain trapdoor mechanism and some white metal buffers.

 

My advice to anyone contemplating doing these.....a limited number of up to max of about five would be enough for anyone to build, building a whole rake....well Bachmann are one of a few companies that make them.

 

Thanks for looking

 

Scott

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Had a productive few hours last night and this morning.

 

The three of the grain hoppers are all up to this point in the build now.

 

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The brakes are on along with the brake levers, the hand wheels and the grain hopper sliding hatches.

 

Post more later

 

Scott

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Just a quickie......

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I've had this old blue Hornby class 37 hanging around.  I've been tinkering with it as I've always wanted a split head code early green one.

 

Scott

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Hi Scott,

Hope you don't mind me posting a couple of pics of the 4mm ex-SECR 32' 6w brake van I'm building for my Dunnington layout, having been inspired by your coach builds.

 

The sides were made from plasticard and beaded with microstrip, plus Ratio duckets. Ends (turned inside out) and roof (extended with plasticard and filler) are from a spare Dapol SR van body. I chickened out of building the chassis, which is from a Hornby 6w Palethorpes Sausages van which was to hand, it looks fairly close dimensionally and at least it will cope with the curves on my layout. Lower footboards should hide any shortcomings. 

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I still need to add the birdcage to the centre of the roof, along with the chassis extensions, bufferbeams and other fittings, but very pleased so far.

 

Thanks for your inspiring work!

 

Martyn.

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Martyn,

 

Glad you posted, thats why i called it a "my/our" thread.  

 

Your build is cracking, maybe you could add a step by step on how you do your body sides and panelling, which look very good.

 

Scott

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On 16/05/2019 at 23:55, gobbler said:

Martyn,

 

Glad you posted, thats why i called it a "my/our" thread.  

 

Your build is cracking, maybe you could add a step by step on how you do your body sides and panelling, which look very good.

 

Scott

Thanks Scott, would be happy to once I've finished the birdcage and roof.

 

Kudos to your grain wagon builds by the way, they are superb.

 

Martyn.

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Where on earth can i find the decals for this trio?

 

I've looked on model masters site and rail tec. Ive seen a set, i think, possibly pc0016??

 

Or has any one out there got some spares they could donate or swap?

 

Cheers,

 

Scott.

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