sem34090 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) Well... Actually... Blackstone is intended to play host to Roll on-Roll off train ferry... It might just work! But then, I wonder how it would look in SECR livery... Until you said that, here are the 17 basic livery ideas I drew up just to see how they looked: I actually think that last one looks rather smart! I shall try a few more. Please say what you think about the above ones - which is your personal favourite? Edited April 9, 2019 by sem34090 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 My choice would be for a variant of the sixth one down, that being very close to the livery applied by the Caledonian to non-Westinghouse fitted locos, though there were exceptions to the rule. The 492 class 0-8-0T's were one of those, being Westinghouse fitted, but painted in the 'freight' livery. The variation was that the boiler bands were edged white, with a red line down the centre. The 492 class were built for shunting trains of the 30T bogie mineral wagons, however these wagons were too far a head of their time to be successful. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboSnail Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 The last lined grey one looks really good, I was toying with using grey for my freelance locos for a while. I have an ambition do do a loco in SECR photographic grey at some point, I don't know if that ever existed in reality though. Is it just me or does that boiler look either a bit narrow or a bit high? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) Jim - It was based off of LBSCR Goods Black, but yes it is rather like Caley Goods Black! Tom- I think that one may be my favourite currently! I like its ambiguity too - it doesn't tie the loco to one specific company like the others might. I'm currently trying SECR (Green) livery on it so will see how that looks if made grey... I think it's because the bottom of the boiler barrel is missing to accommodate the R1 chassis. This will be rectified. Edited April 9, 2019 by sem34090 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 Right... I thought I'd see if lettering had any impact on how the liveries sat on the loco. Please note that the numbers are entirely random just to see how a number sits with the loco and the livery. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted April 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2019 The lined grey livery does look rather smart. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 I think that settles the matter then! Now, which lined grey do we think works best, ladies (and anyone else who happens to have an opinion!)? I'm slightly more inclined towards the first one, as it strikes me as being easier to produce. Also, it would fit better with the little bit of history that I've concocted for it: "After several years of using multiple SER locos to shunt stock on and off the new ferries, a new 0-8-0T was ordered from the Vulcan Foundry in 1897 (The U1's appeared in 1896) based upon the recently built and apparently successful Taff Vale Railway U1 Class 0-6-2T's. The locomotive initially wore SER Lined Black, later carrying SECR Wainwright Green. Following the Great War of 1914-18 the locomotive received a heavy overhaul at Ashford Works and, in 1923 was outshopped in what is believed to have been a unique lined grey livery, the base coat being SECR Battleship Grey." Does that figure? My thinking with the livery is that although the loco was Southern Railway owned it would make sense for it to have been operated by the Blackstone & Marshland (Or whatever it called itself by 1923) as it was used primarily for the same jobs as I imagine B&M locos to be working. This, combined with the lack of livery standardisation at this point in the SR's existence and the plethora of grey and white paint at Ashford means that the livery is almost plausible, to my mind. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted April 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2019 Yes I think the first one is just that touch more elegant in a quietly understated way than the second one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 Yes, the second one is perhaps a bit too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
L49 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think you know which one gets my vote.... look good with condensing gear running alongside John Lyon... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 I couldn't possibly guess... I might have to do one in Met livery now. Of course these would be used on the Metropolitan Railway's famed heavy mineral traffic... I might even bring the model for you to have a gander at on Sunday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 17 hours ago, sem34090 said: I think that settles the matter then! Now, which lined grey do we think works best, ladies (and anyone else who happens to have an opinion!)? I'm slightly more inclined towards the first one, as it strikes me as being easier to produce. Also, it would fit better with the little bit of history that I've concocted for it: "After several years of using multiple SER locos to shunt stock on and off the new ferries, a new 0-8-0T was ordered from the Vulcan Foundry in 1897 (The U1's appeared in 1896) based upon the recently built and apparently successful Taff Vale Railway U1 Class 0-6-2T's. The locomotive initially wore SER Lined Black, later carrying SECR Wainwright Green. Following the Great War of 1914-18 the locomotive received a heavy overhaul at Ashford Works and, in 1923 was outshopped in what is believed to have been a unique lined grey livery, the base coat being SECR Battleship Grey." Does that figure? My thinking with the livery is that although the loco was Southern Railway owned it would make sense for it to have been operated by the Blackstone & Marshland (Or whatever it called itself by 1923) as it was used primarily for the same jobs as I imagine B&M locos to be working. This, combined with the lack of livery standardisation at this point in the SR's existence and the plethora of grey and white paint at Ashford means that the livery is almost plausible, to my mind. As I scrolled down, I had chosen the top grey one as my favourite before you narrowed it down and before Annie picked the top one, so you have my independent judgment (for what that's worth!) that this is the best choice! Why not have a Blackstone Harbour Co. to own it? See Newhaven Harbour Co, which was allied to the LB&SC, but, for legal reasons, had to own locos independently of the railway co, so bought Fenchurch. So, the SE&CR can maintain the loco for an allied private company, which is ample to explain any differences in livery etc? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 I shan't go into the full details of Blackstone's railway history, but as best as I understand it the Blackstone & Marshland Railway eventually morphed into the Blackstone Pier Initiative, which generally operated the loco. The BPI essentially acted as the SECR and later SR's harbour operator in later years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 Certainly discussing it with several people the 'boat train shunter' idea is the most plausible. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 All sounds most plausible. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Ashdown Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 21 hours ago, sem34090 said: Now, which lined grey do we think works best, I like the first one in grey better. But I also think that the Southern green would be good if the setting is 1920s. Then again, I am rather partial to the full Wainwright treatment. I hope that helps. Dana 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted April 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 10, 2019 The only grey loco I’ve seen was done lavender grey, with b&w lining. Fancy that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 Nice a colour though that is, I suspect that Ashford wouldn't have stocked it to quite the same levels as they did Battleship Grey... Needless to say this grey is what will probably form the main livery colour, drab and boring though that may sound. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted April 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 10, 2019 32 minutes ago, Northroader said: The only grey loco I’ve seen was done lavender grey, with b&w lining. Fancy that? I can’t see the lining? Is the loco hidden in a fog bank? Coat, hat, running for cover... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Martin S-C Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 20 hours ago, Northroader said: The only grey loco I’ve seen was done lavender grey, with b&w lining. Fancy that? Can't see the loco, a nasty pea-souper has rolled in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted April 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2019 It’s a colour swatch, Martin. Show it to the missus and she’ll get you painting the hall, stairs, and landing in it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted April 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Martin S-C said: Can't see the loco, a nasty pea-souper has rolled in. See also this post 20 hours earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 11, 2019 Author Share Posted April 11, 2019 Indeed! I fear we're going round in circles... Like wheels within wheels... Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon Like a carousel that's turning running rings around the moon Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind... Anyway, my dear readers... Erm... I've nothing new to report. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted April 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2019 Rosie says ppprrrppphhh!!! to the lot of ye. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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