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A good many early engines could be made out of collection of castings like those.  The only question is how far do you want to go with it and how much you want to scratchbuilt any needed parts.

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I'm willing to put a bit of work into these, but the lesser the better in many ways as they're not part of any main layout fleet. I might do something freelance, as the bits which have been chopped about already appear to have been done quite nicely.

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So I'm thinking that a 3D printed boiler/firebox/chimney/dome assembly on top of the existing running gear may be the way to go?

 

And do I just make it to go on a plinth outside Blackstone West station, or do I make it run for a future early B&MR layout?

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5 hours ago, sem34090 said:

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Now you're talking.  If i was still able to do railway modelling I would be all over those old whitemetal kit parts like a rash.

 

3 hours ago, Northroader said:

Or you could monkey around with the boiler like what Alex says, and the frames stay as they are:

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I agree a good choice.  Seaforth would be difficult due to the different frames.

 

2 hours ago, sem34090 said:

So I'm thinking that a 3D printed boiler/firebox/chimney/dome assembly on top of the existing running gear may be the way to go?

 

And do I just make it to go on a plinth outside Blackstone West station, or do I make it run for a future early B&MR layout?

A plinth job would be better than nothing, but it wouldn't preclude making it run later.

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I'm getting very tempted to try and make it run. It's getting a new 3D printed boiler now (I've drawn up one based on the drawing above) to try and modernise it slightly (the GWR parts look very 1840s, which is only sensible, whereas the B&MR only came into being in the 1850s with new locos.) but using kit bits for the rest of it.

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8 hours ago, sem34090 said:

Is that only so as not to tempt me to build another layout? :P 

...maybe...

 

6 hours ago, Annie said:

A plinth job would be better than nothing, but it wouldn't preclude making it run later.

Also a factor in what I said. 

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This one isn't even pre-nationalisation!

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My user-namesake rarely appears on here, but not so long ago I was shifting furniture and it decided it would rather be on the floor than on the top shelf.

 

This isn't the first time in its 10-year life that this loco has decided to do this. Back in 2011 it was in a box that my Dad reversed himself into, apparently writing off his Rebuilt West Country and his M7, though I have since restored both of these. 34090 received some damage to its bodywork and a chip on its tender. It later transpired that the fall onto the garage floor had bent its rear driving axle slightly.

 

So for the past 8 years, the loco hasn't seen much use! I have tried to keep it serviceable as it is basically the first thing I ever saved up for and bought myself so has an element of sentimental value. Same goes for my BR Green 08 and BR Black Terrier (Incidentally that means I own three permutations of the same terrier in three different liveries and in two scales!). They form the last remaining vestiges of my BR(S) modelling days.

 

Now, back to the present - this latest fall had done some rather more serious damage. Not only had the front end been damaged again, but both cylinders had snapped off of their mountings, rendering the loco not so much unrunnable (?) as just looking ridiculous. So I set about correcting that. Some day I intend to repair the rest of the damage properly and detail the loco to reflect its 1949 as-built condition as closely as I can.

 

In more useful modelling news, on Tuesday I acquired some Wrenn SR CCT vans for £6 the other day, and these have gone into Olive.

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And now I'm sorting out a Van B.

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Just now, RedGemAlchemist said:

Oof. Sorry about your Spamcan, mate.

Oh don't be - it's been through the wars a bit but it's managed to survive. Need to fill the new cracks in the bufferbeam though.

Just now, RedGemAlchemist said:

And very nice CCTs.

Thank you kindly - I now have four vehicles almost ready to form up a parcels train. Need a few from other companies now - I have a GWR van somewhere, and a Siphon somewhere else.

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1 minute ago, sem34090 said:

Thank you kindly - I now have four vehicles almost ready to form up a parcels train.

Funny you should mention that. One of the pieces of stock on my workbench (floor - my bench is no longer in existence as of this evening) is a Triang short brake van which I plan to turn into a matching luggage/parcels van for my Hornby short coaches.

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When the Waters were dried an' the Earth did appear,
("It's all one," says the Sapper),
The Lord He created the Engineer,
Her Majesty's Royal Engineer,
With the rank and pay of a Sapper!

When the Flood come along for an extra monsoon,
'Twas Noah constructed the first pontoon
To the plans of Her Majesty's, etc.

But after fatigue in the wet an' the sun,
Old Noah got drunk, which he wouldn't ha' done
If he'd trained with, etc.

When the Tower o' Babel had mixed up men's ~bat~,
Some clever civilian was managing that,
An' none of, etc.

When the Jews had a fight at the foot of a hill,
Young Joshua ordered the sun to stand still,
For he was a Captain of Engineers, etc.

When the Children of Israel made bricks without straw,
They were learnin' the regular work of our Corps,
The work of, etc.

For ever since then, if a war they would wage,
Behold us a-shinin' on history's page --
First page for, etc.

We lay down their sidings an' help 'em entrain,
An' we sweep up their mess through the bloomin' campaign,
In the style of, etc.

They send us in front with a fuse an' a mine
To blow up the gates that are rushed by the Line,
But bent by, etc.

They send us behind with a pick an' a spade,
To dig for the guns of a bullock-brigade
Which has asked for, etc.

We work under escort in trousers and shirt,
An' the heathen they plug us tail-up in the dirt,
Annoying, etc.

We blast out the rock an' we shovel the mud,
We make 'em good roads an' -- they roll down the ~khud~,
Reporting, etc.

We make 'em their bridges, their wells, an' their huts,
An' the telegraph-wire the enemy cuts,
An' it's blamed on, etc.

An' when we return, an' from war we would cease,
They grudge us adornin' the billets of peace,
Which are kept for, etc.

We build 'em nice barracks -- they swear they are bad,
That our Colonels are Methodist, married or mad,
Insultin', etc.

They haven't no manners nor gratitude too,
For the more that we help 'em, the less will they do,
But mock at, etc.

Now the Line's but a man with a gun in his hand,
An' Cavalry's only what horses can stand,
When helped by, etc.

Artillery moves by the leave o' the ground,
But ~we~ are the men that do something all round,
For ~we~ are, etc.

I have stated it plain, an' my argument's thus
("It's all one," says the Sapper),
There's only one Corps which is perfect -- that's us;
An' they call us Her Majesty's Engineers,
Her Majesty's Royal Engineers,
With the rank and pay of a Sapper!

 

Rudyard Kipling

I felt that poem to be particularly apt for this forum, and it's one of the lesser-read/heard ones too.

 

One may think what they may about the military, the defence of a nation or even the concept of nationhood, but I think it is undeniable that there is a respect to be held for those who made the final sacrifice in defence of a cause. I think it is also important to remember, however, that although this nation is currently largely unaffected (in a direct sense) by war the latter is seemingly perpetual and today, somewhere, a war will have brought further casualties. I think it is all too easy for us in the West who have grown up in recent decades to consider war to be a thing of the past - something found only in historical documents, texts and black and white photographs. Addressing that latter, I present some colour railway photographs from the First and Second World Wars -

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I have been unable to find out where the image was taken, but it appears to be one of the few 'proper' colour photographs (there was a means of taking them, just, then - There are a series of photographs by a French Photographer taken in colour during the war) of a railway subject during the First World War.

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A hand-tinted one, unfortunately, depicting what looks to be a Caledonian machine (I don't think it's one of the Belgian 812 copies as the cab isn't right for one of those), again WW1.

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I am unsure whether it is tinted or not, but  a photo showing part of the relief effort following Dunkirk. I would be interested to know the parentage of the coach here. I make it to be an ex-SECR vehicle (or maybe an early SR one, going by the plated-over panelling).

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Admittedly not a railway subject, but another interesting photograph from the Dunkirk evacuation. It seems somehow less easy to gloss over the numbers of real people involved in these conflicts when they're seen in colour.

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Again not a railway subject, and I imagine this to be a WW1 image, but a no less important one, I feel, when one hears of people using days such as today to air racist and other unduly prejudiced views.

 

Anyway, I think that is quite enough waffling and image-pasting from me for now. I will say, however, that having conducted research into the association between Britain's Military and railways there is certainly a lot of interest to be found from a railway modelling perspective. I have long considerd producing a small, accurate, toned down and un-glorified model of a section of ROD-operated line in Northern Europe so perhaps I might some day achieve that.

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9 minutes ago, sem34090 said:

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I am unsure whether it is tinted or not, but  a photo showing part of the relief effort following Dunkirk. I would be interested to know the parentage of the coach here. I make it to be an ex-SECR vehicle (or maybe an early SR one, going by the plated-over panelling).

 

 

That's one of the SECR 10-compartment thirds (the 100 seaters), as per 971 and 1098 at the Bluebell.

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Looking again that's what I was leaning towards - Thanks Nick.

 

For some reason this is making me wish the MHR had something older than MK1s, but more appropriate than the 4/6-wheel LBSCR bodies we have down at Alresford. Ah well - Late to the table I guess.

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3 hours ago, sem34090 said:

Looking again that's what I was leaning towards - Thanks Nick.

 

For some reason this is making me wish the MHR had something older than MK1s, but more appropriate than the 4/6-wheel LBSCR bodies we have down at Alresford. Ah well - Late to the table I guess.

Yeah, that's something I feel is particularly missing, it'd be great to have a nice rake of Maunsells for example, but as you say, they'd all gone by the time the MHR started up. I think there's an ironclad BSK lurking around somewhere...

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I think you're right - There's certainly something vaguely interesting on the Meon Valley Siding.

 

Edit - This one: http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=319

The VCT's assessment of the underframe is encouraging, though the last update was three years ago and I'd warrant that coach probably hasn't moved since that siding was brought into use. I might ask our local authority on all things MHR what they did with it when it first arrived as we weren't even back to Medstead in 1979.

 

We used to have this one too, and it must have been having some kind of attention to have been in the carriage shop - http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=322

Looking further it looks like we used to have other interesting residents too:

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=5

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=487

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=528

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That certainly looks like a CR 812 class that's come to grief!  The CR loaned 25 0-6-0's to the war department.  One book I have says that they were 'Jumbo's', but I think 812 's are more likely as they were not only more modern, but also more powerful.

 

Jim

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