Zomboid Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Given the creeping electrification of the Scottish network and the continued desire to expand that, I'd expect to see bi-modes replacing the HSTs in due course. By which time I'd also expect the wires to have reached Perth and probably Dundee at least. We're some way from electrification reaching Inverness though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Gary704 said: Probably a couple of things worth mentioning. I would be unlikely that Transport Scotland go down the 222 route. It has been proven elsewhere that the 22x class are less fuel efficient and more polluting than a Class 43 (even two of them), the MTU has a remarkable engine management system. TS have made it clear that decarbonisation is the way forward. HST replacement will not be diesel. A final point and a personal opinion (!), the quality of the refurb is excellent. Obviously there are limitations ( the corridor connection shows its heritage) and corrosion will be an issue, but there is at least 10 years left in the old girls yet. Gary The patchwork roofs still leak on newly delivered. PIS, Cab to Cab, Bell buzzers, I could go on. Don't believe anyone's hype 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted April 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Zomboid said: Given the creeping electrification of the Scottish network and the continued desire to expand that, I'd expect to see bi-modes replacing the HSTs in due course. By which time I'd also expect the wires to have reached Perth and probably Dundee at least. We're some way from electrification reaching Inverness though. Why not 3rd rail? Seen photos of 3rd rail stuff in Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary704 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Probably a couple of things worth mentioning. I would be unlikely that Transport Scotland go down the 222 route. It has been proven elsewhere that the 22x class are less fuel efficient and more polluting than a Class 43 (even two of them), the MTU has a remarkable engine management system. TS have made it clear that decarbonisation is the way forward. HST replacement will not be diesel. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary704 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Probably need to disagree on that Eddie R.! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary704 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 I’m not one for hype Westie. I take an interest in railway related infrastructure and politics. Electrification, possibly bimode’s, are the way forward. Not more diesel. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, MJI said: Why not 3rd rail? Seen photos of 3rd rail stuff in Scotland. Whereabouts please ? (other than the Glasgow Underground). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 How long are the refurbs supposed to last? Presumably if (some of) the Scottish sets became surplus within their expected lifetime they could be redeployed to join the GWR fleet if required? I have ridden on the GWR sets quite a bit, and from a passenger point of view think they are great. There are a number of additional long distance diagrams more sets would be useful on to replace 158 sets. cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, MJI said: Why not 3rd rail? Seen photos of 3rd rail stuff in Scotland. Third rail and snow is not a good mix, just saying... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted April 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2020 The refurbs are as good as you are going to get given Doncaster workshops are for wagons ! The XC sliding door stock has taken longer than planned due to the demand of getting right from the get go. The first XC01 was less than impressive but XC04 was delivered and then given an exam and put into traffic, sadly the powercars are overworked and do not have enough down time - only spares available with sets of stock at works , this in part rectified by two power cars having been released and bought to XC standards. These will continue for the foreseeable future as they are the only trains that are bulk people movers ( at other times to now!) But cannot see any new contractor to the routes having more given a brand new plank seated train is not much more and at the start of its corrosion life. I suspect this will be the way TS will go. The questionable value for money of OLE projects will I think see my self propelled hybrids rather than a "coathanger fitted plank with weasels." A shame that some of the TS sets are faulty - I guess after 40 years the newness has worn off. Hopefully you can enjoy them for a while, 10 years is a long time in politics... Robert 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted April 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2020 5 hours ago, caradoc said: Whereabouts please ? (other than the Glasgow Underground). A 73 on a branch somewhere 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningduck Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 minute ago, MJI said: A 73 on a branch somewhere Do 92s count? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted April 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 7, 2020 4 hours ago, frobisher said: Third rail and snow is not a good mix, just saying... Doesn't appear to stop the Eletro Diesels! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 15 hours ago, Eddie R v2.0 said: If money was an issue, then hopefully someone in power would look at doing “bits” of electrification. For example, Blair Atholl to Kingussie area and Aviemore to Inverness. As I understand it, the Azumas can pan up/down on the move so the switch over would be easy enough. I don't know the line, but if bits of the HML are to be electrified then the project should do the whole lot. The most expensive single part of any electrification is the grid connection, which discontinuous electrification would do nothing to alleviate (would be more likely to make it worse). I think the next biggest thing is bridges, which given the sparse nature of the population round there there won't be many of (relatively speaking, it is a long way). And being mostly single track the wires themselves will be relatively cheap. I think Perth will be reached relatively soon, so you never know, maybe Inverness will see electrification before Bristol TM... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 hours ago, MJI said: A 73 on a branch somewhere Don't think the CS 73/9s still have 3rd rail shoes fitted. ORR will not permit new 3rd Rail installations on the NR network. If the TS HSTs are well received and reasonably reliable then you would expect them to be retained in the new franchise with perhaps a nod to replacement before the end of the decade, if not then a DMU replacement might be seen as preferable if available (eg Class 175 or 222). It will depend on how flush the Scottish Government is when it writes the ITT next year. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 The delivery of HA21 on the 5th May marked the passing of the half way point for the delivery of ScotRail HST trailers. Long way to go yet, I don’t think Wabtec will achieve their August target (like all their other missed target dates) but I’d like to be proved wrong. Brian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 HA21 (they’ve been renumbered to match the 40xxx trailers since my last post) is now on its way to ScotRail from Doncaster, this means 21 out of 24 four car rakes delivered. Wabtec have again failed to meet the August deadline they set themselves for completing the four car rakes. There’s still a long way to go with this project, I don’t see it being completed until well into 2021, the Stonehaven (Carmont) accident right-off replacement rake adding to the completion time scale as well. Brian. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted September 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2020 The very last days of the EMR Paxman VP185 powered class 43s are being superbly chronicled on Twitter by driver/lensman @HiPa_IC125_ & a few others. His photo below, one of a series of classic Nocturnes from Neville Hill depot. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2020 Railcam.uk promoting #HSTonMML Twitter event this Saturday http://news.railcam.uk/index.php/2020/09/30/railcam-to-celebrate-midland-mainline-hsts-with-hstonmml/ EMR blue class 43 & VP185 power cars down to very last few in service Dava 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2020 Last pair of EMR VP185s today, 43047 & the iconic 43049 'Neville Hill'. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 29/09/2020 at 17:10, turbos said: HA21 (they’ve been renumbered to match the 40xxx trailers since my last post) is now on its way to ScotRail from Doncaster, this means 21 out of 24 four car rakes delivered. Wabtec have again failed to meet the August deadline they set themselves for completing the four car rakes. There’s still a long way to go with this project, I don’t see it being completed until well into 2021, the Stonehaven (Carmont) accident right-off replacement rake adding to the completion time scale as well. Brian. 21 out of 26. The Carmont write-off will not be replaced is the latest information on that situation and though they may change their minds I'd say it's unlikely this late in the project. So 20 out of 25 you might say; 80% complete. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbos Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 23 hours ago, hexagon789 said: 21 out of 26. The Carmont write-off will not be replaced is the latest information on that situation and though they may change their minds I'd say it's unlikely this late in the project. So 20 out of 25 you might say; 80% complete. There’s also the trailers to make 5 coach rakes still to be done so as a percentage I think it’s just over 72% complete. Brian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 03/10/2020 at 11:11, turbos said: There’s also the trailers to make 5 coach rakes still to be done so as a percentage I think it’s just over 72% complete. Brian. Assuming that goes ahead, I've seen a few rumours it might not. But then I've also seen rumours ALL sets will be made up to 2+5 and rumours that TGS vehicles will be the fifth trailers to improve the bike accommodation, so who knows?! ;) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Given that current passenger levels are at 23% and there will be service cuts in the December timetable, I don't see anyone getting bent out of shape to get a full fleet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2020 On 02/10/2020 at 11:57, hexagon789 said: 21 out of 26. The Carmont write-off will not be replaced is the latest information on that situation and though they may change their minds I'd say it's unlikely this late in the project. So 20 out of 25 you might say; 80% complete. given the number of spare vehicles, and how long before those spares get nibbled, I think thats a bit short sighted. Unless long sight concludes post Covid, railways are going to shrink. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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