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3 minutes ago, sem34090 said:

I actually prefer Marsh Umber these days.

That's fair enough, but given my period is 1900-1910 and umber didn't start to come in until 1905, I suppose IEG or goods green would be most likely.

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I suspect your chosen period is an excuse to do both liveries.

 

i generally reckon that a loco gets a repaint at some point three years after its last, yet the last loco in IEG was, IIRC, 1914.  so, within a decade the transition is complete.

 

Perhaps locomotives entering service or known to have been overhauled 1905-10 would be in the new liveries and all else in the old?

 

In the case of the Terriers, we have a big clue in that, all bar two kept as works pilots, the whole remaining fleet was converted to motor-train working between 1905 and 1912.  The two pioneering locos, as 2-4-0s, were converted in 1905, but the rest were done in batches from 1906, all after the introduction of umber in October 1905.

 

It is reasonable to assume that in most cases the new livery was applied as and when the Terriers were converted.  In the case of 655 Stepney (duplicate listed in 1901), conversion was 1907, so, essentially, your purchase covers the first three-quarters of your chosen period (1901-1907).    

 

EDIT, I realise you said 1900-1910, not 1905-1910.

 

 

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That's really helpful information, thanks James. 

 

I believe for my period my LB&SCR trains will mostly be hauled by D1s and E1s (Stroudley Goods Green?), although more research still remains to be done, and I'm sure I can find an excuse for a Terrier to appear occasionally, even if I don't think any were shedded at Guildford in that time period.

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You might be able to justify LSWR No.734 as I've read in at least one place that it was shedded at Guildford for a time.

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I'll have plenty of other LSWR locos, with Linton being deep in LSWR territory. So far I have two M7s and am working on backdating a Kernow O2 and the above Hornby T9 for the fast LSWR peak time service to and from London.

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On 5 June 2019 at 09:15, Edwardian said:

I suspect your chosen period is an excuse to do both liveries.

 

i generally reckon that a loco gets a repaint at some point three years after its last, yet the last loco in IEG was, IIRC, 1914.  so, within a decade the transition is complete.

 

Perhaps locomotives entering service or known to have been overhauled 1905-10 would be in the new liveries and all else in the old?

 

It is reasonable to assume that in most cases the new livery was applied as and when the Terriers were converted.  In the case of 655 Stepney (duplicate listed in 1901), conversion was 1907, so, essentially, your purchase covers the first three-quarters of your chosen period (1901-1907).    

 

EDIT, I realise you said 1900-1910, not 1905-1910.

 

 

In fact, the last LBSC loco to retain Stroudley IEG and its name was E5 Tillington, which finally succumbed in 1917. Another E5 Middleton lasted until 1914, and E4 Kingswood to 1913. A fair number lasted until 1912.

There is, somewhere, a contemporary diary that notes most of the livery change dates up to around 1910, but I haven't currently got access to it.

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It's been another busy week, so not much modelling has been getting done.

 

I've got a completed and primed Stroudley full brake (still tweaking the model file but it seems to have come out ok):

 

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I've been working on parts for another LSWR coach (a 42ft Third, to be supplemented with a matching brake third later) but having trouble printing carriages. I've finally got the hang of supports to stop the solebars bending, but I'm finding my carriage ends are coming out chevron-shaped rather than vertical around the end windows. I suspect this has something to do with film tension and/or the location of the print on the print bed, combined with the necessary thin-ness of the window columns, but I'll keep working at it.

 

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I'm also heading down south tonight on the Caledonian Sleeper with my partner, for the Road and Rail event at the Bluebell Railway. Hoping to meet up with a couple of other Pre-Grouping-ites, and looking forward to seeing the H class for the first time since I was *this* big!

 

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Wow, Linny, that Stroudley brake is superb.

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Well, that was (mostly!) a really lovely weekend away with my partner on the Bluebell for their Road and Rail event. Despite getting an email on the day of travel saying our Caledonian Sleeper service had been cancelled (due to wheel flats after an emergency brake application the previous Tuesday(!)), we managed to get an LNER train down to London on the Friday night, stayed in a hotel there and then hopped on a train down to East Grinstead in the morning.

At the Bluebell, Isha (my partner) and I met up with Gary (BlueLightning) and Alex (AVS1998), and we went for a wander around the road engines and various demonstrations (including road-building and timber sawing). Isha and I made it all the way down from Edinburgh, and the very first road engine I saw was marked up as having come from Leith!

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Several other road vehicles were to be seen driving around, including steam lorries making coal deliveries as well as the aforementioned sawing demonstration.

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For me, though, I was particularly excited by the chance to see the H class, as recently repainted in full Wainwright livery. Even better, we got to ride behind it in a period coach (LSWR brake third 1520), although the "vintage train" was formed of the LSWR brake, an SECR hundred-seater and a Stroudley bogie first (both sadly in lined Southern livery). I can't help but feel that even though this particular one is slightly late for my time period (1520 was built in 1910 to a 1904 design) a model might end up being made...

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Other locomotives around on the day were the Q class, hauling a demonstration goods train, the S15 on a set of Bulleid coaches, and the Standard 5 on Mk1s - a real pleasure to see each locomotive on period-appropriate coaches!

 

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On the Sunday, Isha and I went for a wander around the museum at Sheffield Park, and discovered that the door to Withyham signal box is *exactly* the right width for her wheelchair to pass through (with maybe a quarter inch extra clearance!). We were delighted at the wheelchair accessibility at the Bluebell - every coaching set had wheelchair ramps, with the exception of the Mk1 stock set which had been modified with either-side hydraulic wheelchair lifts! Level access was available for crossing between platforms by barrow crossings, the new Steamworks museum had level access throughout (and even the replica Stepney cab was big enough to get the wheelchair into and turn around with ease! We didn't actually manage to find any exhibits (with the exception of the footbridges) which weren't accessible.

I had also taken two model locos down in the hope of taking some photographs with their rather larger brothers. Sisters? ...Siblings. First of all, the Hornby H class, also in full Wainwright livery:

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and seen here perched on the sandbox filler, behind the lamp iron, looking *really* tiny:

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I also took along the new Hornby Stepney as shown here.

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I thought of Edwardian while I was here, so I double-checked, and I can confirm, there is definitely a lip at the top of the tank sides!

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Despite the even worse travel disruption on the way back up (the Sleeper back to Edinburgh was cancelled too! But the replacement coach service wasn't able to take Isha's wheelchair... we managed, in the end, but got back into Edinburgh at 3:45am on Monday, hence why I didn't write this up yesterday. It's a sad state of affairs when a preserved railway is better able to provide for restricted mobility than the national rail network.

Perhaps, as pre-grouping modellers, we should, rather than looking to the future, be looking to the past...

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Was good to see you again, and meet Isha. Was a very good day out for us! Hope you don't leave it too long before coming back down this way again!!

 

Gary

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Great report, Linny, and it sounds like you had a great time.

 

Like the pictures, and you might send your second shot of Stepney to Hornby and ask them why you cannot see the wheels on their model?

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It has been pointed out that I have still not actually put up a photo of the finished SER D-ended wagon, so here it is! No further modelling progress to report at the moment.1324051036_Dendedwagon.png.88dd8a99fa7c4fb7c13201fdb6a3c221.png

 

The CAD work has now been updated to include all the end strapping details, and so it's just a case of actually painting up and sticking the three bits together again. This one will probably have most of its ends hidden under a tarpaulin - never throw away anything you can make a useful model from!
 

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Superb, Linny.  Will they be available for sale at some point?

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I dare say they will be!

No sooner have I made a comment about not having made any modelling progress, than an opportunity to have much more modelling time appeared.

Three months ago (minus a week), I started work at a new employer, on a three-month trial period. Unfortunately, this morning, I was summoned to the CEO's office, and informed that it was felt that I'm "not a good fit for the company" and given my one-week's notice. Or rather, officially given my week's notice, before being escorted to collect my belongings and out of the building, as per company policy.

I'm... rather stunned, honestly.

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That's a bummer, Linny.  :cray_mini2:

 

On a brighter note, will I see you at Perth this weekend?

 

Jim

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Just a bit of a bummer!

I'll hopefully still be going to Perth on the Saturday - I'm getting a lift up from Edinburgh with a club pal. Would be great to see you.

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I'll be on the 2MM SA Roadshow stand, building one of my etched wagons kits as usual.

 

Jim

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Perth was a good show, and I saw some lovely layouts (including one based on the Great Southern Railways of Ireland - almost! - and Rolvenden in P4, which was absolutely stunning. Was lovely to have a good chat with Caley Jim, too.

I managed to pick myself up what I think was a bit of a bargain - an unboxed Hornby GWR shunter's truck for £4. Sure, it was missing a tension-lock, hook, but...

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I have plans... First, lop off the Dean-Churchward brake lever. Next, fire up the CAD software, draw up a quick sketch, and set a test print going...

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If this works, I'll add further detailing such as strapping, bolts, and planking...

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So the test-print worked, and fits on the chassis (although I made a slight error and drew the vehicle at 35mm width instead of 31.5mm... so a quick tweak of the CAD and some additional detailing, and I've set another test print going. I realised this morning that this will be the first completely-new piece of rolling stock for the Great Southern Railway, with all other models having been bashed-about RTR or static models.

 

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The updated version of the CAD is seen below. Hopefully, it should come out with less warping on the roof - I realised that I completely forgot to add any supports to the test print, which is why it's more than a little warped. I'm having to adjust to a new piece of slicing firmware (called ChiTuBox) in order to use the latest version of the printer firmware, and it seems to handle supports a little differently, so I'm having to re-learn that aspect. I'm getting there.

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On 30/06/2019 at 12:46, Skinnylinny said:

....... Was lovely to have a good chat with Caley Jim, too.

What Linny fails to mention is that he brought along a 'discussion piece's, in the form of the previous night's product from his 3D printer. A 2mm scale version of his SECR wagon! All 4 of us on the 2MM SA stand were most impressed at the level of detail and the finish. Several lines of thought were set in motion and much discussion followed! :D

 

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20 hours ago, Skinnylinny said:

So the test-print worked, and fits on the chassis (although I made a slight error and drew the vehicle at 35mm width instead of 31.5mm... so a quick tweak of the CAD and some additional detailing, and I've set another test print going. I realised this morning that this will be the first completely-new piece of rolling stock for the Great Southern Railway, with all other models having been bashed-about RTR or static models.

 

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The updated version of the CAD is seen below. Hopefully, it should come out with less warping on the roof - I realised that I completely forgot to add any supports to the test print, which is why it's more than a little warped. I'm having to adjust to a new piece of slicing firmware (called ChiTuBox) in order to use the latest version of the printer firmware, and it seems to handle supports a little differently, so I'm having to re-learn that aspect. I'm getting there.

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Ingenious.  Look forward to seeing it assembled and painted. 

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Well, I added one to the collection of wagons for Linton. I know that pre-pooling, foreign wagons would be very much in the minority, but I still want to have one wagon of as many pre-grouping companies as possible "behind the scenes" - I like the idea of offering any visitors to Linton a (relatively) "local" wagon to their home to shunt.

I already have examples (albeit not all of them plausible for appearing on Linton, but that can be solved later) from: CR (Caledonian), Cam. Rys (Cambrian), GWR, HR, LBSCR, LNWR, LSWR, NBR, SER, SECR and, of course, GSR.

From the recently re-released range of Slaters 00 wagon kits, I have acquired a D299 open for a princely £9. Unfortunately, I forgot to make the modifications mentioned in Compound2632's thread, so the solebars stick out under the bufferbeams and the numberplates on the solebar are currently in the wrong place, which should be easily repaired. I'm not sure if it'll get rebuilt or replaced at some point - unfortunately a tarpaulin might hide poorly-done lettering but won't hide the solebars! Speaking of, it still needs lettering, but it is good to have these kits back on the market. I understand the MR open-ended brake van can be bashed into a passable SECR brake van, so might have to have a go, and I head that the 4mm carriages may be coming up for re-release soon...

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7 minutes ago, Skinnylinny said:

Well, I added one to the collection of wagons for Linton. I know that pre-pooling, foreign wagons would be very much in the minority, but I still want to have one wagon of as many pre-grouping companies as possible "behind the scenes" - I like the idea of offering any visitors to Linton a (relatively) "local" wagon to their home to shunt.
 

 

Well, as you know I contend that there's a D299 to be spotted in every pre-grouping goods yard photo!

 

Re. SER brake vans based on the Midland design, that's the 6-wheel version, not the 4-wheel 10 ton brake van Slaters do. There was a rash of kit-bashes a year or more ago, using, I think, the Parkside late Midland/early LMS brake van as a starting point.

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