rue_d_etropal Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) Thought I should start a fresh thread on the original Siemens EMU built for the LNWR. I have copies of the original drawings, and there are plenty of photos of them after they moved out of London, but only a few in LNWR(official ones), and as far as I can tell, none in LMS days. Given they were not mothballed till the end of the 30s, this is surprising. The early photos appear to march the drawings, but apart from the obvious(and well photographed) modifications done to the motor coaches when they moved north, I notice some of the smaller differences(eg roof vents), and am trying to find out when these were changed. There might have been changes to interior(which would affect positions of roof vents). I am currently working on a design for a Siemens EMU for 3D printing, and want to do versions suitable for all periods when they were running. Edited January 29, 2018 by rue_d_etropal 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizontal Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Are you referring to the 'Lindbergs' on Merseyside?..... They looked like the GEC compartment units! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2018 Are you referring to the 'Lindbergs' on Merseyside?..... They looked like the GEC compartment units! :-) The Siemens units were used on the Earls Court services and were an early casualty to other forms of commuter traffic. The LMS put them in store as noted by Simon. BR rebuilt them into AC overhead units and ran them on the Lancaster, Morecombe and Heysham services in the late 50s early 60s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I have seen a pic of them in LMS lined maroon, at Addison Road, 1933, but I can't remember the book. They had large class transfers on the windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horizontal Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 The Siemens units were used on the Earls Court services and were an early casualty to other forms of commuter traffic. The LMS put them in store as noted by Simon. BR rebuilt them into AC overhead units and ran them on the Lancaster, Morecombe and Heysham services in the late 50s early 60s. Thank you for the clarification! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 According to online, the West London line was bomb damaged in 1940, and so they were put in store. It is odd that there are not many photos of them in service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 The connection between the West London Line and the H&C was bomb damaged and never restored. there were various bits of bomb damage on the WLL, I've recently read a book on Bomb Damage to London's Railways, an interesting if somewhat heavy tome. It surprised me how quickly "they" got things running after quite serious damage in those days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2018 The connection between the West London Line and the H&C was bomb damaged and never restored. there were various bits of bomb damage on the WLL, I've recently read a book on Bomb Damage to London's Railways, an interesting if somewhat heavy tome. It surprised me how quickly "they" got things running after quite serious damage in those days. Have you got more details of the book? It sounds interesting and I feel like tracking down a copy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Ithink that link, is just where the road up from Shepards Bush goes under the H&C line. looking on Google map and I think part of the bridge at end of Latimor Road station still exists. I have a couple of the Middleton books, but not te one on the West London line. Might check that out. There was also another line coming off the WLL, closed in 1916. Much of the area around there was bomb damaged. My father grew up round there, and descrbed one night when a blast resulted in an old grandfather clock falling down stairs. It never worked again, despite out attempts to get it working. Just one of those childhood memories. More recently it is noted that Grenfell tower is only a few yards from the junction,and towerblocks dominate the skyline now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 just got the Middleton book on WLR, unfortunately no photos of siemens stock. Now understand how the different lines worked. Pity the whole electrified route north of Kensington was abandoned after the bomb damage to the link, but it shows the LNWR trains were not able to continue on the Willesden trains after that, for some other reason. With only 4 complete trains, not a big service, probably more dependent on the connecting trains to Paddington. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 The WLR and WLER were a major route for freight. I imagine that the sparsely-loaded passenger services were suspended to allow more goods trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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