White/Blue Refurbished DMU livery

[John M Upton]

Were there ever any Scottish blue stripe 101's?

[keefer]

yes there were. I don't have any info on which vehicles/sets (Haymarket had numbered sets around this time - I've seen a pic of, I think set 197, with the set number on the end of the TS, in white numbers on the blue stripe)

 

 

from Robert Carrol's Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2189461699/in/album-72157603648796702/

 

Brian Daniels' Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/5808672545/in/album-72157626627223211/

 

Steve Jones' Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/5669246216/in/album-72157624987872649/ This set 193 is similar to the photo I mention above, in that the coach ends are white with the blue band wrapped round. Other units had the white/blue stop just inside the outer edge and the rest of the end is black.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/5669100570/in/album-72157624987872649/

Edited June 20, 2018 by keefer

[Rivercider]

Here is an instamatic view of SC51527 at Corkerhill in 1978.

My note taking left something to be desired, but it may have been formed as 51527 + 59553 + 51470, though don't take that as gospel.

(my 1977 Ian Allan shows 51527 and 51470 had transferred from Dundee to Hamilton, while 59553 was shown allocated at Eastfield.) 

 

SC51527 at Corkerhill, 25/3/78.

 

cheers

[Legend]

Were there ever any Scottish blue stripe 101's?

 

Yes there were. There were quite a few around Glasgow Central in late 70s and early 80s .  I remember catching them home to Paisley on Largs trains , they had the GG  Greater Glasgow emblem on the blue stripe.  Just seen RiverCiders posting above.

Edited June 20, 2018 by Legend

[Rivercider]

Were there ever any Scottish blue stripe 101's?

I have a very poor photo of SC51451 SC59545 SC51518 at Crianlarich on 4th August 1975.

Googling those numbers suggests they were the prototype refurbished set, refurbed in 1974, and later allocated to Scotland,

 

cheers

[EddieK]

yes there were. I don't have any info on which vehicles/sets (Haymarket had numbered sets around this time - I've seen a pic of, I think set 197, with the set number on the end of the TS, in white numbers on the blue stripe)

 

 

from Robert Carrol's Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2189461699/in/album-72157603648796702/

 

Brian Daniels' Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/5808672545/in/album-72157626627223211/

 

Steve Jones' Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/5669246216/in/album-72157624987872649/ This set 193 is similar to the photo I mention above, in that the coach ends are white with the blue band wrapped round. Other units had the white/blue stop just inside the outer edge and the rest of the end is black.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/5669100570/in/album-72157624987872649/

The image by Robert Carrol is the prototype refurbished set 51451-59545-51518 - easy to identify as the blue band is just below the bodyside lights (= side windows). The other clue is that the nearest First Class saloon on 51518 has the InterCity 70 First Class seats as used on Mark 2f/3/HST with orange seat covers and cream seat shells,

 

The production 101 refurbs had the stripe painted lower, probably to allow for the stripe matching that on Class 108s which had deeper side windows.

When the prototype refurb set was painted it had inner ends that were all white and the blue stripe wrapped around as far as the gangway.

 

http://www.railcar.co.uk/images/4181

 

When it was realised that this would look grubby when in use, the inner end was painted rail blue (not black).

 

http://www.railcar.co.uk/images/10852

 

This image of M51201 shows the non-Scottish application of the inner end livery. On ScR units the white wrapped around further and followed the roof line

 

http://www.railcar.co.uk/images/10427

[EddieK]

Were there ever any Scottish blue stripe 101's?

In August 1978 I found the following sets in Scotland: -

 

Set 193 - 51457-59689-51802

 

Set 194 - 51448-59553-51528

 

Set 195 - 51458-59687-51806

 

Set 197 - 51460-59564-51534

 

Set 178 - 51798-59554-51532

 

Set 187 - 51467-59560-51524

 

Set 188 - 51464-59556-51516

 

Set 198 - 51461-59565-50187 (50187 had 4 marker lamps)

 

Set 192 - 51451-59545-51518 - Prototype refurb set.

 

Set 202 - 51235-59060-51475 (51475 Cravens Class 105 MBS in plain blue).

 

By August 1978, all sets were second class only, but at some point prior to this the First Class was still used as such and so some refurbs had First Class facilities.

 

Hope this helps.

[keefer]

Thanks for the corrections and extra info Eddie.

[andy stroud]

I'm thinking of doing a re-paint. Does anyone know what the actual paint shades were. Was it white as in just plain white and rail blue for the stripe?

 

Many thanks

 

Andy

[Bob Reid]

Rail White with a Rail Blue Stripe / Ends and of course Rail Warning Yellow for the cabs Andy....  An abiding memory for me is the awful matt finish bright orange plastic laminate (formica) we used for the interior partitions on the refurb sets....

[andy stroud]

Rail White with a Rail Blue Stripe / Ends and of course Rail Warning Yellow for the cabs Andy....  An abiding memory for me is the awful matt finish bright orange plastic laminate (formica) we used for the interior partitions on the refurb sets....

 

Thankyou, Bob

[Compound2632]

I associate this livery with the West Midlands PTE - I'm sure the ones I used to see on the Cross-City Line had the WM logo. I travelled on a 3-car unit in this livery between Oxford and Birmingham New Street - it was standing in for a no-show cross country train (usually 47 + Mk 1 BG + 4 x Mk2 e/f? SOs + Mk1 buffet + Mk2 BFO I think) on a very busy Friday before Christmas - a most unpleasant journey. This would have been in 1985 or 86, I think - maybe even a year or two later? Certainly the result is, I have no affection for the livery.

 

I'm not very well up on DMU classes but the usual ones on the Cross-City Line were all-door types. They were overall blue when we first moved into a house backing onto the line near Four Oaks station in 1972 but I think were blue/grey by the early 80s - they looked much smarter like that.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Compound2632

[Steamysandy]

The very first blue stripe unit was a Haymarket 101.I can't remember the numbers but it also had the Motor Composite totally refitted with a unique interior.

I travelled on it on my daily commute on the North Berwick line.It was incinerated at Snailwell on withdrawal

[EddieK]

The very first blue stripe unit was a Haymarket 101.I can't remember the numbers but it also had the Motor Composite totally refitted with a unique interior.

I travelled on it on my daily commute on the North Berwick line.It was incinerated at Snailwell on withdrawal

The prototype refurbished metro Cammell set was 51451 - 59545 - 51518. The "medium cost" vehicle was MCL vehicle 51518 which had revised seats in second class (I recall them as being a sort of unidirectional version of the BR suburban seats in the then-new Class 313 EMUs), reclining Inter City seats in 2+1 layout in First Class and lowered ceilings with a Mark 2 coach - style twin row of fluorescent lamps.

[EddieK]

I associate this livery with the West Midlands PTE - I'm sure the ones I used to see on the Cross-City Line had the WM logo. I travelled on a 3-car unit in this livery between Oxford and Birmingham New Street - it was standing in for a no-show cross country train (usually 47 + Mk 1 BG + 4 x Mk2 e/f? SOs + Mk1 buffet + Mk2 BFO I think) on a very busy Friday before Christmas - a most unpleasant journey. This would have been in 1985 or 86, I think - maybe even a year or two later? Certainly the result is, I have no affection for the livery.

 

I'm not very well up on DMU classes but the usual ones on the Cross-City Line were all-door types. They were overall blue when we first moved into a house backing onto the line near Four Oaks station in 1972 but I think were blue/grey by the early 80s - they looked much smarter like that.

The Cross City line was the hunting ground of the Tyseley Class 116 fleet, with their suburban layout with lots of doors. From around 1976/7, most of these went through the refurbishment scheme and as this was funded (wholly or in part) by the PTE then the WM logo was applied on the driver's side, on the blue stripe. The non driver's side had a BR double arrow. From 1979 onwards, these units then gained Blue/Grey and the WM logo was usually applied. 

You have my sympathy for having to enjoy a Class 116 in place of loco haulage. Had it not been so crowded, it might have been a little better. The trip might have been longer ago than you think as the last "blue stripe" car of any type went for painting in April 1984...

[Compound2632]

The Cross City line was the hunting ground of the Tyseley Class 116 fleet, with their suburban layout with lots of doors. From around 1976/7, most of these went through the refurbishment scheme and as this was funded (wholly or in part) by the PTE then the WM logo was applied on the driver's side, on the blue stripe. The non driver's side had a BR double arrow. From 1979 onwards, these units then gained Blue/Grey and the WM logo was usually applied. 

You have my sympathy for having to enjoy a Class 116 in place of loco haulage. Had it not been so crowded, it might have been a little better. The trip might have been longer ago than you think as the last "blue stripe" car of any type went for painting in April 1984...

 

It must have been after October 1983; could have been the winter of 83/84. My memory is that it wasn't an all-door unit (googling Class 116 those certainly look like the Cross-City trains I knew) but one of the few-door varieties - I suppose Tyseley-based too.

[EddieK]

It must have been after October 1983; could have been the winter of 83/84. My memory is that it wasn't an all-door unit (googling Class 116 those certainly look like the Cross-City trains I knew) but one of the few-door varieties - I suppose Tyseley-based too.

Perhaps a Tyseley based Class 101- I think some of this fleet retained the blue stripe livery as late as 1983. 

[montyburns56]

I never realised that the original version of this livery was actually slightly different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BernardTPM]

As far as I remember it was only like that on one side, the other having the broader stripe and small white arrow which (briefly) became the standard 'refurb' livery.

[montyburns56]

20 hours ago, BernardTPM said:

As far as I remember it was only like that on one side, the other having the broader stripe and small white arrow which (briefly) became the standard 'refurb' livery.

 

Oh right, I guess that they were using it as a livery test bed.

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[BernardTPM]

19 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

Oh right, I guess that they were using it as a livery test bed.

 

Yes. I've got the BR leaflet on it somewhere. It was also shown in BR's newspaper Rail News at the time.

[Titan]

20 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's interesting, despite being refurbished it still retains all of its marker lights.

[montyburns56]

3 hours ago, Titan said:

 

That's interesting, despite being refurbished it still retains all of its marker lights.

 

Yeah,  it mentions that in the caption 

 

"Unusually, the centre headlights have been left in situ - these were usually removed upon refurbishment, to leave just the outer two. Also, the two intermediate trailers don't appear to have the cantrail gutters (yet) - another refurbishment alteration."

 

[montyburns56]