slilley Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Is anyone able to shed some light as to what this is? It seems to have APCM Ltd on it in the bottom left had corner, and I am trying to work out what the logo in the middle says. Picture dates from early 1960s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 "Blue Circle Product" perhaps? Ray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Is anyone able to shed some light as to what this is? It seems to have APCM Ltd on it in the bottom left had corner, and I am trying to work out what the logo in the middle says. Picture dates from early 1960s One of the 96 vans built by Standard wagon for APCM in 1964 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmvan It appears brand new in the photo Paul Edited February 9, 2018 by hmrspaul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamysandy Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 One of a batch built for APCM and used among other things for transporting bagged cement and Snowcem paint from Oxwellmains Cement Works to Aberdeen.The door logo is Blue Circle,APCMs trade name. I used to see them in the 1970s 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol_Rich Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) It appears brand new in the photo And looking at the axle boxes and springs, heavily loaded? Edited February 10, 2018 by rich_eason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Easily "replicated" in 00 (to my "if it looks like a duck" standards anyway) using a Bachamm TTA underframe , doors from a Parkside vanwide VWV van and some plasticard / plastruct ............... rear left below in construction 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I know this photo is a bit ropey, being one of the first I ever took with my cheap plastic camera; but if you look carefully you can see a couple of vans in the middle of this Uddingston - Cliffe cement empties passing Barkston in 1968. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernowtim Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Presumably the airfix closed van was based on this.. https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/54303-U_3212537_Qty1_ruler.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Here's one at Midsomer Norton.. https://www.sdjr.co.uk/images/locomotives_and_rolling_stock/other/BV-6253.JPG 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 Glad one got saved thought they'd be a bit 'modern' for most preserved railways Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I seem to remember seeing this still in traffic in the mid-late 1970s, being loaded at one of the many cement works along the Medway valley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I seem to remember seeing this still in traffic in the mid-late 1970s, being loaded at one of the many cement works along the Medway valley. I believed they worked from Swanscombe, and possibly other locations in Kent. When APCM finished with them, the bodies were removed from some, and new box bodies fitted. There was was one medium height open, which saw service as an aggregate wagon (though some worked on Dolomite traffic):- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/rlsaggregatepma Another type will be familiar to those taking an interest in either the West Country or the West Highland:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/chinaclaypra I believe there was a high-sided open without a tarpaulin, but haven't found a photo yet. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2018 Easily "replicated" in 00 (to my "if it looks like a duck" standards anyway) using a Bachamm TTA underframe , doors from a Parkside vanwide VWV van and some plasticard / plastruct ............... rear left below in construction DSC03978.JPG I'm not disparaging your excellent rendition, but I thought origin of the chassis would be more of a cut and shut VAA family derivative with Stenson Models brake levers. Any thoughts anyone? Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I'm not disparaging your excellent rendition, but I thought origin of the chassis would be more of a cut and shut VAA family derivative with Stenson Models brake levers. Any thoughts anyone? Mike. Well I've thought about it - briefly (the big barrier being lettering once you've finished) - but I'd be inclined to start from scratch altogether. The solebars are simple channel rather than the fabricated girder sections you find with both monobloc tanks and the AB vans. The brake fittings don't look much like what was fitted to either, not that this matters overmuch. The vanwide doors would be the only difficult bit and Parkside make those nice and simple. Ditto the brake levers, as you say, from Stenson. The suspension is pretty chunky, more so even that the monobloc tanks. Does anyone do the like? Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2018 Well I've thought about it - briefly (the big barrier being lettering once you've finished) - but I'd be inclined to start from scratch altogether. The solebars are simple channel rather than the fabricated girder sections you find with both monobloc tanks and the AB vans. The brake fittings don't look much like what was fitted to either, not that this matters overmuch. The vanwide doors would be the only difficult bit and Parkside make those nice and simple. Ditto the brake levers, as you say, from Stenson. The suspension is pretty chunky, more so even that the monobloc tanks. Does anyone do the like? Adam Funnily enough I thought the lettering was the easy bit, a few pictures and measurements to that nice Steve at Rail-Tec and Bob is as usual. As for the suspension, I'm sure the UIC style will be along in the not too distant future. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 many thanks for the answers to my original question chaps. A great help. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I stumbled across this nice pic of one on Flickr today. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hump Shunter Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 From that (above) to this at Holborough 31st August 1986. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, Hump Shunter said: From that (above) to this at Holborough 31st August 1986. Ouch! That's a bit graphic. I hope the moderators are happy with this display of wanton destruction. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 10/02/2018 at 16:14, kernowtim said: Presumably the airfix closed van was based on this.. https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/54303-U_3212537_Qty1_ruler.jpg Very, very, loosely !! John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 11/02/2018 at 08:43, Enterprisingwestern said: Funnily enough I thought the lettering was the easy bit, a few pictures and measurements to that nice Steve at Rail-Tec and Bob is as usual. No need - see Sheet BL180 at https://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm Regards, John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 14 hours ago, montyburns56 said: I stumbled across this nice pic of one on Flickr today. I wonder how feasible it would be to use a Vanwide kit as a basis for one of these? The doors look to be identical, as do the outer sections of the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM42 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) Ends from a Parkside Palvan kit. Outer side sections have flat bracing in the Vanwide kit and the corrugated end wrap round section too. You could use the whole Vanwide sides perhap if you removed and replaced the detail on the panel either side of door, but making your own may be easier Andy Edited May 1, 2020 by SM42 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 11/02/2018 at 08:37, Adam said: Well I've thought about it - briefly (the big barrier being lettering once you've finished) - but I'd be inclined to start from scratch altogether. The solebars are simple channel rather than the fabricated girder sections you find with both monobloc tanks and the AB vans. The brake fittings don't look much like what was fitted to either, not that this matters overmuch. The vanwide doors would be the only difficult bit and Parkside make those nice and simple. Ditto the brake levers, as you say, from Stenson. The suspension is pretty chunky, more so even that the monobloc tanks. Does anyone do the like? Adam The chassis for the APCM PALVAN already exists in model form - http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/60416/SB007A-PRA-38-Tonne-glw-Covered-Box-Wagon-number-RLS6313 These wagons were built on chassis recovered from the APCM vans. It is my understanding that the manufacturers / commissioners of these wagons are not interested in producing the APCM vans using the existing chassis. Is it time to let them know the level of demand that there would be for an RTR APCM PALVAN? John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, cctransuk said: The chassis for the APCM PALVAN already exists in model form - http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/60416/SB007A-PRA-38-Tonne-glw-Covered-Box-Wagon-number-RLS6313 These wagons were built on chassis recovered from the APCM vans. It is my understanding that the manufacturers / commissioners of these wagons are not interested in producing the APCM vans using the existing chassis. Is it time to let them know the level of demand that there would be for an RTR APCM PALVAN? John Isherwood. An expensive start point if you want to try and scratch build a PVV using the Kernow chassis. I've already enquired about the availability of a chassis only. Unfortunately not available. The chassis on the existing model is quite basic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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