sir douglas Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 long time since a post here, John Spence who shared with us his station building in N gauge back in July, has recently posted a photo in the Eyemouth FB group. He has built all the houses and church along the back which we have had to cut and will be painted on the backscene 16 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 17, 2021 Author Share Posted April 17, 2021 Just somewhat keeping this thread alive Mark is Continuing with stock building https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/118591-shezs-workbench/page/7/ I thought i would try scaling the hole in the bridge, here is an Engineer article with some dimensions, though i'll come back to that,of course there are plenty of photos but most of them are after track lifting, one with a train in it but completely hidden by smoke and finally one just before demolition. Extract from the Engineer July 1894, 10ft from rail to the bottom of the top stone and 14ft from rail to the top of the arch, the resolution of this image i got isnt good so the portal width cant quite be made clear but it looks like 8 and something which is way too narrow. The width of the bridge on the right is 16'6", this is of course only if these measurements are correct, drawings in the Engineer are very good but every now and then can get something wrong but its not like we have anything else to work with so i dont mind if i impose the 10' and 14' onto the demolition photo the arch comes to about 23' dia' and the portal width comes to about 15' 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Good to see you are keeping it alive Sam - I noticed some recent evidence of it being viewed. I am continuing to build stock and have started work on the water tower, though an inpending house move is going to slow me down for a bit. Here is the class D now in her full Holmes livery. An article on this class in the latest NBR study group journal by NBR loco guru Euan Cameron confirms this loco did in fact work the branch so we have the right one! I was feeling pretty smug that I had all the details right but then the article pointed out that the small lubricators were not put on the side of the smokebox till a few years later. (no doubt someone will point this out at the first exhibition...) She is running well too but may need a bit more weight in the tanks - just looking forward to getting the club open again and giving her a proper test. Crew also needed and a replacement lamp iron on the smokebox which I knocked off in painting. 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted April 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Shez said: no doubt someone will point this out at the first exhibition Well, they will now that you have told everyone! That is a beautiful model. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 nothing from me but more N scale from John, i have no connection to him or his work but since its about Eyemouth and it is really good quality, its worth sharing all of this is omitted from ours, the church, the access ramp and the big house that blocked the harbour extension photo by John Spence 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Good news that the Wakefield club rooms are accessible again, so Sam and I may be able to get things on the move again in the not too distant future. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 I'll have a look at the yard office now and at least draw it up These are 4 extracts from photos, top left is from Ernie's 1929 aerial photo, top right is a recent FB post from the 1948 flood taken from the road, bottom left is undated looking at the back taken from the river bank near the harbour and bottom right is an early one (maybe 1896) showing the end from behind up on the road. The thing is the height difference between the long half and short half. Looking at the '29, the top of the roofs are equal until sometime later as shown in the '48 when the short building has dropped over a foot in height. the undated also shows the original proportions. this is maybe worth noting for anyone modelling it later but for us will be modelled as built. It doesnt look to me like the short building is instead lower on slopped ground as on the '29 looks about level 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 29, 2021 Author Share Posted July 29, 2021 started on the goods office, also shown is the ground frame hut 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted July 31, 2021 Author Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) me and mark had a meet up at the club last night for the first time since March 2020, some locos were run up and down the layout and we now have a new member wanting to get involved, hopefully progress will restart. i dont know if he is okay being named here so for now we'll call him Mr C. i finally brought in the power supply box i made and with my Peckett made sure it all worked, Mark brought in the J83 No828 and his J21 No152 for its first run, lovely thing it is too with the red lining. Both of these have been numbered after those which are known to have worked the branch. Mr C has said he wants to build a J39 which will be good for the BR period 828 https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/118591-shezs-workbench/&do=findComment&comment=4303595 152 https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/118591-shezs-workbench/&do=findComment&comment=4141147 Edited July 31, 2021 by sir douglas 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginelane Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 Excellent news on a new member Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Our enigmatic Mr C does actually have an RM web presence as 25A. It was good to get back to the layout again and it was great to see it all worked. Thanks for the nice comments about the J21 Sam, but I feel she still needs a little bit of tweaking to get her running well. I think the tender drawbar may be the key as its pushing the tender up a bit and we are not getting the full benefit of the tender pick ups. I think that the drawbar is also causing the tender first track issues over the turnouts. The stalled house move still hindering progress at this end and an unexpected week on grandad duty means I have not been able to bet back down to the clubroom. Goods office and the groundframe hut are looking good. I have started work on the water tank. I am making the actual tank from scrap etch left over from loco kits - but as the soldering iron and bench are packed away I cant get on for now. If anyone else in the West Yorks area wants to join in on the project come and join us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 some major re working needed to be done at the bridge end since i forgot about the retaining wall when designing and cutting the board parts. In this photo, the hillside inbetween the river and track was cut back to include a wall and so the river also had to be widened, the wall went in since this photo which is the strip of ply on the left having blocks of wood glued on either end, off the right the wall will taper down and end on the right hand side of view. Also being worked on are the road pieces being glued and screwed along the back and a start has been made at the other end filling in the void for the station/yard entrance with the bottom of the ramp and the adjoining garden Last night Mr C brought in 2 of his DCC locos, hooked up his own controller to the layout and had a play. This also shows the compatibility as intended 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25A Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Hello chaps yes indeed I have an RMweb presence, glad to be a part of the project! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 The retaining wall put in last week fixing down the road pieces the end wall put in Friday and preparing to put in the garden 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25A Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) Afternoon folks. Recently had 828 in my capable hands to install DCC sound into the loco for Mark. Things have gone very well and last week we had the loco out for a loaded test run on Eyemouth so enjoy! 828 test on Eyemouth Edited September 14, 2021 by 25A 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 Really delighted with the job Colm has done in putting the DCC workings into no 828. The decoder is a zimo and I got it from Digitrains at Lincoln. The sound file is actually a J15 as no recording of a D class exists. Convincing enough for me though with the westinghouse there as well. Lots of credit to Sam as well for his imaginative approach to wiring which enables the layout to run on either DCC or analogue. Just need to put the crew in now - I don't like "ghost trains!" Unfortunately stock construction is still temporarily shelved pending our ongoing house move which continues to drag. I must admit to having been a DCC sceptic. Pretty convinced it was not for me. That changed a few weeks ago when Colm brought down some of his stock and we had it going on the layout. The sound was great, adds another dimension. However what really impressed me was the level of control, and the slow running, the realistic acceleration slowing and braking. I think I have reached a point where I am prepared to commit - a sort of railway modelling road to Damascus! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 Last week, the front wall for the adjoining garden went in and the bridge sides and top were cut out. Tonight the parts were joined 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 5, 2021 Author Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) progress is being made on the bridge and we will start on the platform, no photos since i forgot with all the chatting and playing trains, now DCC fitted 828 had some more running, Colm (formally Mr C) brought in a NE G5 he is currently building and a Heljan Clayton 17 he has just bought, the layout is running good apart from some minor point blade fettling needed Edited October 5, 2021 by sir douglas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 Pointwork on the crossover needed work, shown below; the operating piano wire was rubbing on the slot n the left hand point and the nearside stock rail needed slewing on the right point, they work fine now applying card to the underside of the bridge arches using oo track pins to hold them while the glue dries Making the platforms was going to be next but just like with the bridge before, i forgot about the retaing wall while making the boards and then saw in the photos that the platform was a lot narrower than first though. The embankment will have to come out from the back, the road needs remaking here and the frame strecthers need to be either patched in or replaced. below; on the left is the middle board showing the diamond-ish shape patch with its corresponding patch on the other board shown bottom right. this board is sat on its back while i work on it. The next strecther along had to be completely replaced 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 2 layers of cards applied to the river arch on the bridge and the first part of the platform rough cut to clean up 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 we now have some platform fixed in 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 16, 2021 Author Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) had a play session last night, Last week i was talking with a member who has a Dapol 08 but no track to run it on, so i suggested he bring it in to run on here, so i brought a loco and some wagons. unfortunately my loco wouldnt budge (i should have checked i beforehand) but the 08 soon arrived and some shunting took place, i particularly wanted to see how the points handle a set of wagons being preopelled through them. everything went fine apart from one of the point motors not working Edited November 16, 2021 by sir douglas 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shez Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 A good session last night. Sam sorted out a problem with a point. Colm sprayed the track and I carried on with undercoating the woodwork. We have also had a number of conversations regarding control of the pointwork in the branches early days and I wanted to perhaps get some reaction to this mornings research... There was never a signal box at Eyemouth. The points were unlocked by key and some early photos appear to show NBR pattern point levers for the siding points. Train control was by hand signals the branch being strictly one engine in steam. The big question is the run round loop that we have modelled. Sam has suggested that it may have been changed from an interlocking ground frame in near the first point where the line splits. Some photos appear to show a small hut. However there seems to be no sign of rodding linking it to the crossover points at the east end. Further more on page 63 of Roger Jermys book "The Eyemouth Branch" it cites a proposal to errect a goods shed adjacent to the sidings in 1896. This would have necessitated "moving the groundframe which allowed the locomotive to run around. " This suggests the points were operated from the eastern rather than western end of the station. I can't see photographic evidence for this - problem is that that end of the station is often obscured by merchandise or stock. Same problem with buffer stops. In a wider context although the board of trade had recommending the use of interlocking on passenger lines since the 1870s the legislation to enforce it was not enacted by parliament until the year after the Eyemouth line was opened following the Armagh disaster. The line was built by a small local company and reports in Jermys book suggest that the inspector Major Marindin was dissatisfied with much of the work. It may well be possible that the loop was installed without interlocking. The NBR, unlike its neighbour and rival the Caledonian had opposed regulation and been slow to adopt interlocking. It was therefore faced with a massive programme of upgrading its signaling systems which for a railway famous for its tight fistedness would be somewhat frustrating. While new constructions had interlocking backdating minor lines took some time. After the NBR took over in 1901 an extensive plan was put forward for remodeling the station the plans including a new lever frame. (Jermy p age 67) Apart from the new station building to replace the one destroyed by fire in 1900, this plan came to nothing as did a second more ambitious plan in 1907. With the plans not coming to fruition could this have persuaded the NBR to remove the now illegal crossover and operate with the gravity shunting for which the branch became known, rather than upgrade the instillation now it was clear the improvements were not to take place? (Or perhaps removed it in anticipation of the changes taking place. Evidence is contradictory - its not on 1906 OS but its on the 1907 plan. Did the NBR intend to re instate it with a new frame and interlocking as part of the extensive re modelling? That would explain the apparent contradiction) One of the lessons of my researches this morning is that if we choose to model railways in this era we must be careful about assuming the "rule books" of later years applied to earlier days. I would welcome thoughts from those who may be more informed on such matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginelane Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Agree but also as it’s a model if the rules mean it’s operating potential is compromised it will end up not being operated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 we have circumstantial evidence a best and i'm not saying this is proof, but "station is often obscured by merchandise or stock." as well as staff and passengers, i can't see them putting the groundframe at that end when your view of the train movements will get blocked by all the above. Logically the best place if it did have a frame is at the first point which gives the best view of not only all the tracks in the station and sidings but also up the line under bridge. our only evidence are photos like these below, these are extracts from 3 photos focusing on the hut. In the first photo there is a row of dots to he righ of the hut running along the other side of the track much like the stools of rodding would and in the bottom right photo is a line of something going from the hut and going past the waer tower wih a another line from the hut towards the camers to he first point This is an extrac from the well known 1906 photo, we were looking at a much better quality of this in a Byline article recently which. Somethign we never noticed before was a check rail on the right hand rail on the curve into the platform (in between the tower and the carriage). there is a row of dots again on the left but oddly it stops at the tower, maybe it was just being installed at he time or the frame (assuming the was one) or it only protected the 2 facing points. another thing is that there clearly isnt any kind of lever or throw on the crossover point to the left of the loco. there are 2 things between the track (beween the tower and the loco) which Mark suggests could be point levers but they look like they are only about 1 foot tall so unless hey are weighted throws (example below) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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