D&S Models

[chris p bacon]

This happens all the time and in most spheres of commerce. in another way these folk are providing a service to those who buy and increasing the profits of the produced and no I am not one who is doing this

 

Many people are time poor and get someone else to do the work for them, quite often they can earn far more doing their own job than the additional expense of what is the commission in acquiring the item(s). We may agree or disagree with the business model, but rest assured it will only survive if customers feel it is a worthwhile service

 

 

I have no problem with people selling on surplus items for whatever they can get, but in the case of the lists Dan produces currently, the numbers he is able to order mean that the lists are sold out, on the last one I wanted to add another van but was unable to as they were all taken. If people are buying from Dan purely to sell on then that's a bit poor.  

Nothing he can do as he takes people on trust.

 

 

The better half and I enjoy watching a certain person who travels the country buying items then reselling them at great profit, the restoration processes some of the items require are both interesting and maybe of use in the future. But basically this company has built up a brand which can obtain a premium price for its products, which is what the kit speculators are doing. Will it last is another question

 

 

 

 

OT but If that is D Pritchard in N Wales I purchased my railings from him, he paid 10,000 for them and I paid him 2,200 (cost 400 to fetch) they don't show it when he makes a huge c0ck up 

Edited April 24, 2018 by chris p bacon

[PenrithBeacon]

Fun you should say that, but after the last list was issued there were 2 examples on ebay within weeks of one particular diagram, The pics looked remarkably similar to the contents of mine...

It simply means that the retail price of D&S kits is too low, or, that too few of them are being produced.

[Steamport Southport]

It simply means that the retail price of D&S kits is too low, or, that too few of them are being produced.

 

Or a case that many people don't know that they are sometimes available from the manufacturer and are paying over the odds for them on eBay.

 

 

 

 

 

Jason

[micklner]

Or a case that many people don't know that they are sometimes available from the manufacturer and are paying over the odds for them on eBay.

 

 

 

 

 

Jason

 

E bay madness thread comes up the mindset of many buyers and sellers. 

[MarcD]

It's not just Dan's kits. Resently there has been a number of my kits on eBay, that are still available, that were being sold for £5-£10 above the list price. They were being sold at a fixed price, so there would be no bidding madness. And the crazy part was someone actually bought them. The irony is if I raised my prices by £5 sales would drop.

Yes Dan could probably do with a basic web page, but that's not his style, but it probably wouldn't stop people reselling his kits at inflated prices.

Marc

[hayfield]

It simply means that the retail price of D&S kits is too low, or, that too few of them are being produced.

 

I think its the fact of the way they are marketed not the price

 

Or a case that many people don't know that they are sometimes available from the manufacturer and are paying over the odds for them on eBay.

 

 

 

 

 

Jason

 

Jason you have hit the nail on the head, retail is going through a period where customers wish to buy on line, in some cases happy to pay a premium

E bay madness thread comes up the mindset of many buyers and sellers. 

 

Its not eBay madness but how auctions work, but its not guaranteed and can quite easily go the other way, but folk choose to ignore these sales.

 

It's not just Dan's kits. Resently there has been a number of my kits on eBay, that are still available, that were being sold for £5-£10 above the list price. They were being sold at a fixed price, so there would be no bidding madness. And the crazy part was someone actually bought them. The irony is if I raised my prices by £5 sales would drop.

Yes Dan could probably do with a basic web page, but that's not his style, but it probably wouldn't stop people reselling his kits at inflated prices.

Marc

 

 

As I said earlier some folk are happy to pay more for the easy solution, or it could be that eBay is now offering credit terms on some items

[jrg1]

It's not just Dan's kits. Resently there has been a number of my kits on eBay, that are still available, that were being sold for £5-£10 above the list price. They were being sold at a fixed price, so there would be no bidding madness. And the crazy part was someone actually bought them. The irony is if I raised my prices by £5 sales would drop.

Yes Dan could probably do with a basic web page, but that's not his style, but it probably wouldn't stop people reselling his kits at inflated prices.

Marc

It is a pity that Dan does not have a web page or internet-he would reach a larger market and sell far more kits.

[Tim Dubya]

It is a pity that Dan does not have a web page or internet-he would reach a larger market and sell far more kits.

I think that's the idea

[chris p bacon]

It is a pity that Dan does not have a web page or internet-he would reach a larger market and sell far more kits.

 

I think he enjoys just doing the limited runs now, when I was last there we talked about how difficult it was for him to get stuff etched as he was on old photo tools. So I would wonder if he could increase the supply anyway .

Edited April 24, 2018 by chris p bacon

[jrg1]

Dan Pinnock's kits are excellent and relatively easy to build-that's why I wish they were more easily available.

[davidmcc3]

As a builder of websites as a day-job (among other things), I've spoken to a number of small suppliers in our hobby to see if I can help them get on line, or rebuild their current sites to make them easier to use and more effective.

 

Many, like Dan, are worried about being inundated with orders. They are also worried about the modern expectation of same day dispatch and next day delivery.

 

Of course it doesn't have to be like that ... so long as a website is well designed (with the visitor in mind, rather than having fancy and distracting moving graphics or text), and the information is clear - it's about managing expectations. Items for sale can be released in batches, so there isn't a constant and unsuppliable influx of orders.

 

The newer generations of suppliers are better at this, but so many of the old (and wonderful) ranges disappear into oblivion at some point - thank goodness Parkside have gone to Peco.

 

Although some here don't agree with still-available kits being sold for higher prices on eBay, it does make them more widely available, and importantly, more easily procured.

 

When looking to buy something, I always check prices and don't trust to getting the best deal on eBay - my wife accuses me of researching things to death.

[Jol Wilkinson]

Perhaps we should reflect on a bit of D&S history, as I recall it.

 

Danny "retired" some years ago. Shortly afterwards Sylvia passed away. I believe he has also more recently enjoyed being involved in some other (non railway) activities.

 

Some/all of the 4mm w/m kits went into new hands, including LRM and ABS, although in the latter case they don't seem to have been manufactured again and given reports of Adrian Swain's health issue, may never do so.

 

The 4mm etched kits, other than a couple of LNWR NPCS vehicles which had already gone into the LRM range, did not AFAIK find new owners The GCR kits apparently went to the GCR Society in 2011 but there is no mention on the website as far as I can see. It appears the rest of the  4mm etched kits didn't find a new home but Danny has put some of these back into production, presumably in response to demand. That involves producing the cast w/m parts as well as ordering in etches. etc. However, it is quite possible that Danny is only willing to give up some of his retirement to making a limited quantity of kits and therefore expecting him to set up a website, etc. may be quite unrealistic.

[jwealleans]

The GCRS kits are available intermittently from the stand at shows or through the online group. There has been a problem with castings and I believe they've changed the source of these. I have had both cast and etched kits from them since they acquired them from Danny.

[Mark Hamlin]

Is Dans latest list still due next month?

 

Would love to get my hands on a GNR or NER ballast brake van. Got into a bidding battle on eBay for one recently that ended up going for more than 100 quid!

[jwealleans]

I saw that. Gobsmacking.

 

Due next month, but Dan works at his own pace. Your best bet is to write and suggest it for a future list. He did do the NER one some time ago, I built one for someone else, but I don't recall the GN one being listed.

[Horsetan]

Is Dans latest list still due next month?

Would love to get my hands on a GNR or NER ballast brake van. Got into a bidding battle on eBay for one recently that ended up going for more than 100 quid!

The only D&S kit I ever wanted was the NER Dynamometer Car, and I bought mine on eBay a few years ago for £68. I recall Danny produced one last run of them at £75.

[Ken.W]

I saw that. Gobsmacking.

 

Due next month, but Dan works at his own pace. Your best bet is to write and suggest it for a future list. He did do the NER one some time ago, I built one for someone else, but I don't recall the GN one being listed.

Hi

So, the next list of releases, inc some NER coaches, still isn't out yet?

 

Very relieved at that, as i've just come across this thread, so I've not missed them then?    (now have this thread 'followed')

[MarcD]

Any news on the new list?

 

Marc

[wainwright1]

Save me wading through the whole of this blog.

Does anyone know if Danny has ever re-issued any of the L.C.D.R. six wheeled coach kits ?

I am trying to put together a hop-pickers set which were either formed of 12 or 14 coaches and I need another two or three DS622 All 2nd / All 3rd kits to make up the minimum.

 

RB

[jwealleans]

Not on any of the lists I've seen. Only LNER constituent vehicles as far as I remember.

 

Probably worth at least asking, he's usually very helpful with requests.

[micklner]

Any news on the new list?

 

Marc

 

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[MarcD]

I was after the latest list?

 

 

Marc

[chris p bacon]

It'll be posted by one or another when Danny sends it out.

[Highlandman2]

I have had the good fortune to obtain 4 frets of DS 12-D1-7, wagon chassis. The wheelbase is 56mm which is 8ft in 7mm, solebar length is 88mm 12ft 7in approx. Can anyone tell me what wagon these frets represent and is anyone able to direct me to a set of assembly instructions please. Looking to use these as the training project for assembling soldered construction kits, especially as they were so inexpensive - £1.25 each.

many thanks

Highlandman2

[EHertsGER]

After a long period of reflection I have come to the realisation that the ‘grand scheme’ for which I have been collecting for the last few decades, is not likely to happen. Business interests, other interests, priorities and dodgy eyesight have all contributed to this. Rather than let these kits languish in a box, I am ‘releasing’ them to those who will actually find a use for them.

First up will be the ‘D&S Collection’ assembled over many years, but most recently through private commissions from Danny. Thus, most of these kits - wagons, non-passenger rolling stock and coaches alike - are unopened and unstarted. Where a kit is an older kit, it may have been opened, but has not been started (I will list the half-started stuff on Ebay right at the end with all the other junk!)

So, to the kits: mostly GER kits, some LNER and a few others. Anything specific (GER) you want, let me know and I’ll price it; payment by PayPal and free shipping from NY. In summary; most of the cast wagons in multiple, as are the four, six and bogie coaches, NPCS and odds and ends (W&U, one only push-pull set) and so on. This is not a profiteering exercise, but a major change in direction.

 

The kits will be listed on eBay.com and not eBay.co.uk (as there is an issue with listing in the UK from overseas). Prices are in US$ and include free shipping from the US (regardless of what the listing says!)

Andy; if this is blatant commercialism of the worst kind, please let me know and I shall remove this. However, I put it here to give RMWebbers a ‘heads-up’ before the riff-raff of Ebay got into the fight...

This is likely to yield quite a bit of cash (I know the GER D&S market as I have been an active combatant for years - I am not giving this stuff away, so market prices) so I have also elected to donate a portion of it to a cause or two, preferably of the medical kind (your cat can manage, I am sure...). Any suggestions, please let me know.

Edited August 22, 2018 by EHertsGER