Guy Rixon Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 30/10/2019 at 05:54, Johann Marsbar said: Err..., the General Strike was 1926, the GER ceased to exist in 1923. I checked my copy of the Wild Swan GER Engine Sheds book yesterday (Volume 2) and there are several official photos of Ipswich shed in it with coal stored in that style, the captions indicating it was "standard" procedure at that time. Rather amusingly, the shed turntable was completely surrounded by these (rather high) "walls" of stored coal, with just a space left for the single track leading to it! There were miners' strikes in 1893-94 and 1912. I suspect the stockpiling was in response to those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted January 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2020 I received a lovely Norfolk wagon today, Gardner's of Norwich. It is a special commission by Bure Valley Railways done for them by Bachmann, and available from their shop, along with many other current items. Not Suffolk but might be close enough to show up on your railway depending on your purpose. http://www.burevalleymodels.com/p/15116/37-076R---7-plank-open-Gardner---BVR-Exclusive 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2020 Very nicely printed - can you read the oval Owner's plate and the registration plate? Gloucester builders plate. For once, I think there's no immediate reason to suppose that the prototype wasn't an RCH 1923 standard wagon. The 5-plank high lettering is very much an inter-war style. I hope it does well for the BVR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted January 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2020 Yes you can read the Owners plate says "C E Gardner Owner Norwich". You can even read the italic script to its left "For repair advise C E Gardner Norwich" Is the registration plate the round one on the left ? I can read LNER on it but need a better magnifying glass to read the rest. It seems the original wagon is referred to in Private Owner Wagons: A Second Collection" by Keith Turton though I don't have that book. The commissioned wagon was released in August 2019. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Dominion said: Is the registration plate the round one on the left ? I can read LNER on it but need a better magnifying glass to read the rest. Like this, except this example is from a wagon registered by the LMS: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulG Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 22 hours ago, Dominion said: I received a lovely Norfolk wagon today, Gardner's of Norwich. It is a special commission by Bure Valley Railways done for them by Bachmann, and available from their shop, along with many other current items. Not Suffolk but might be close enough to show up on your railway depending on your purpose. http://www.burevalleymodels.com/p/15116/37-076R---7-plank-open-Gardner---BVR-Exclusive ..............it's a shame Hornby are proposing to produce the exact same wagon and with same number! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, PaulG said: ..............it's a shame Hornby are proposing to produce the exact same wagon and with same number! Paul Well, a shame for Hornby as their 10 ft wheelbase, steel framed monstrosity is way out... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 24/01/2020 at 20:07, Dominion said: I received a lovely Norfolk wagon today, Gardner's of Norwich. It is a special commission by Bure Valley Railways done for them by Bachmann, and available from their shop, along with many other current items. Not Suffolk but might be close enough to show up on your railway depending on your purpose. http://www.burevalleymodels.com/p/15116/37-076R---7-plank-open-Gardner---BVR-Exclusive It is a RCH wagon built in 1935 by Gloucester - last of an order of 6, presumably nos 301-6. The trader was first heard of in 1927 and these were possibly his first wagons, relying on colliery owned wagons before that. Appears an accurate livery as bulit even down to the blank 'Empty to' instructions. Unfortuately Mr Turton was unable to find out which of the 3 Norwich stations he was based at as that would give an indication of the route between the N Derbyshire/S Yorkshire collieries likely to have been used for supply. Tony 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2020 Possibly an old Post Office (or trade) directory of the time would have him listed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2020 Hijacking this thread to save opening anything else, there's a few wagon labels for sale at the moment relating to coal, coke and grain traffic bound for Bury St Edmunds mostly in LNER days. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/collectortony99/m.html?item=383600363189&hash=item59505d06b5%3Ag%3ARn8AAOSw6mZe75yr&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu4472ke Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 One thing that hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet is the Prentice Brothers of Stowmarket, a Chemical works. I'd quite like to model one of their 14 ton tanks, does anyone have any information on their livery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lu4472ke said: One thing that hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet is the Prentice Brothers of Stowmarket, a Chemical works. I'd quite like to model one of their 14 ton tanks, does anyone have any information on their livery? Check Lightmoor Index. If "entry" = nil then result = "despair" else result = "bookshelf". If "bookshelf" = "nil" then [Place order with LIghmoor Press] else [reach for volume] Running this algorithm, I find as Plate 27 of B. Hudson, Private Owner Wagons Vol. 4 (Headstock Publications, 1987) a 14 ton acid tank No. 10 of Prentice Bros. Ltd., Stowmarket, built by Chas. Roberts in 1927, on an RCH 1923 standard wooden underframe. Livery: red tank, light grey frame, black ironwork on solebars and running gear; colour of lettering not stated. As is usual with tank wagons at this period, there is a large cast plate fixed to a wooden block on the solebar - about 1.5" thick - that reads: PRENTICE BROS LTD CHEMICAL WORKS No 10 STOWMRKET White lettering on a black or red ground. Edited October 13, 2020 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu4472ke Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Check Lightmoor Index. If "entry" = nil then result = "despair" else result = "bookshelf". If "bookshelf" = "nil" then [Place order with LIghmoor Press] else [reach for volume] Running this algorithm, I find as Plate 27 of B. Hudson, Private Owner Wagons Vol. 4 (Headstock Publications, 1987) a 14 ton acid tank No. 10 of Prentice Bros. Ltd., Stowmarket, built by Chas. Roberts in 1927, on an RCH 1923 standard wooden underframe. Livery: red tank, light grey frame, black ironwork on solebars and running gear; colour of lettering not stated. As is usual with tank wagons at this period, there is a large cast plate fixed to a wooden block on the solebar - about 1.5" thick - that reads: PRENTICE BROS LTD CHEMICAL WORKS No 10 STOWMRKET White lettering on a black or red ground. Thank you. What would be the best way to model that? I know that POW sides do the transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lu4472ke said: Thank you. What would be the best way to model that? I know that POW sides do the transfers. It might be possible to make a reasonably accurate representation using the tank off a Bachmann tank wagon (though it might be too large diameter) and a suitable kit underframe such as Cambrian C34. The same photograph is in the HMRS photo archive, ref. AAR529. Edited October 13, 2020 by Compound2632 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/25944-tank-wagon-kits-1890-1960/&do=findComment&comment=268744 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2020 Rather an odd beast for that date. The RCH specifications for 10, 12 and 14 ton tank wagons seem to have been updated in 1911 and 1927 but this is not like either of those. The 1911 drawings show a 10 ft 6 in. wheelbase on an 18 ft chassis and the 1927 drawing shows a 9 ft wheelbase on a 17 ft 6 in. chassis (Coppin "Oil on the rails", HMRS, 1999). And I do not understand Bill Hudson's comments about the end stanchions. The chassis is shorter than the standard but they are bent in rather than out (see the drawing opposite the plate of the Prentice wagon), so the tank is very much shorter than standard, and also a much smaller diameter than most tank wagons of the period - though more normal, it seems, for tanks carrying nasty chemicals. As it is stated to be a 14 ton wagon was the liquid involved rather dense? Of course hardly any two batches of tank wagons were the same as they were all built for specific traffics and users. I am also surprised that a wooden chassis was being used that late. They had not been permitted on Class A tank wagons for many years. I don't know if there was a wooden underframe version of the 1927 RCH specification. Quite a challenge to model other than the basic underframe which could be "borrowed" from a coal wagon kit. Jonathan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 23/03/2018 at 14:47, ianLMS said: Just a note to say that Model Junction's ...... Its a lovely little shop which I have been visiting regularly for over 30 years!!! Good stock of OO and N gauge with a few garden type locos (G scale maybe), lots of scenic stuff, track etc and a large array of Airfix models and RC cars etc. Highly recommend it for anyone visiting Bury St Edmunds! And a very nice Wetherspoon's in the centre of Bury St Edmunds too. I have family in the area, thus an occasional visit from 'Way down West'. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 POWSides do a 7mm kit for the tank is a Charles Roberts standard acid tanker. I have one labelled for West Cumberland By-Products Flimby. It goes together quite will from what I remember. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ianLMS Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Penlan said: And a very nice Wetherspoon's in the centre of Bury St Edmunds too. I have family in the area, thus an occasional visit from 'Way down West'. It used to be the Corn Exchange which hosted many decent heavy rock bands during the 80's. Spent many an hour head-banging against the speaker in my mispent yoof! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu4472ke Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 13/10/2020 at 19:29, Furness Wagon said: POWSides do a 7mm kit for the tank is a Charles Roberts standard acid tanker. I have one labelled for West Cumberland By-Products Flimby. It goes together quite will from what I remember. Marc Do you know if they do the kit in OO? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 30, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, Lu4472ke said: Do you know if they do the kit in OO? https://www.powsides.co.uk/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I think they do their own kits in 7mm, but they do transfers in 4mm and 7mm and put them on Slater's and Peco(parkside) wagon kits. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu4472ke Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Got this through the post from a very popular selling site beginning with E and ending with Bay this morning. Made by Mainline. I know its a container not a wagon, but I wanted to include it because of the Suffolk connection. Edited February 4, 2021 by Lu4472ke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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