justin1985 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 On 15/02/2020 at 16:53, bécasse said: Exhibiting British-based layouts in continental Europe and continental-based layouts in the UK may well become all but impossible from next January. Unless the UK and the EU remain in a Custom's Union, which given the recorded thoughts of chairman Cummings seems very unlikely, each layout will need a carnet de passage des Douanes, effectively an insurance policy that says that if you don't return the layout to its home base the insurance company will pay all the import duties which become due. The carnets don't come cheap. Very good point. Which raises the question of valuations! Valuing layouts for insurance seems a vexed enough question - how on earth would you go about valuing it for customs?! I guess hand luggage sized layouts give another advantage of being unlikely to be questioned, whereas a van-full of layout is a different question. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, justin1985 said: Very good point. Which raises the question of valuations! Valuing layouts for insurance seems a vexed enough question - how on earth would you go about valuing it for customs?! I guess hand luggage sized layouts give another advantage of being unlikely to be questioned, whereas a van-full of layout is a different question. I worked for Sealink car ferries in the early 1970s before the UK joined what was then the EC and I certainly remember carnets de passage, but in those days nobody took layouts to overseas shows so it was only the likes of musicians that needed them (for their instruments). Even then carnets were frighteningly expensive. A friend who is a renowned specialist musician (of mediaeval music and instruments) has been trying to get quotes for the potential (and probable) new situation and it seems that somewhere around £ 1000 may be the starting point even if some mainstream insurers come back into the market. I was talking to a Dutch acquaintance yesterday who has regularly exhibited in the UK in the past, and he said that even visiting the UK will be too much hassle in the future, let alone bringing a layout - many Europeans don't possess passports (I don't) because they travel everywhere in Europe on their ID cards, but the UK has said that it will refuse to accept ID cards from 2021 on the rather spurious basis that they are less secure than passports. Edited February 24, 2020 by bécasse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan W Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Maybe it's better to just wait and see what happens. It could be wise not to book your layout to a 2021 overseas show until everything is clear. I'm glad I can still bring the little layout I'm working on to the DJLC in June! Jan 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 23/02/2020 at 10:49, justin1985 said: Very good point. Which raises the question of valuations! Valuing layouts for insurance seems a vexed enough question - how on earth would you go about valuing it for customs?! I guess hand luggage sized layouts give another advantage of being unlikely to be questioned, whereas a van-full of layout is a different question. J The value for insurance purposes and the value for customs will almost certainly be entirely different figures, if people are sensible about it. Coming back from Dortmund Intermodellbau back in 1998, the van containing Copenhagen Fields was stopped at Dover Customs but when Tim opened the van up, the customs officer took one look and obviously thought better of checking any further. One interpretation of the government guidance is that carnets are required for commercial purposes. It's possible that layouts and associated items may not require one. Having travelled with "The Pizza" as hand luggage, the only interest from officialdom has been for security purposes. A mini-exhibition was staged for the TSA agents at Boston Logan last time I flew with it. I've also had to use carnets professionally and as long as someone else picks up the cost (i.e. my employer in my case), it's reasonably straightforward, just a bit delaying as you have to use the red channel to clear customs. It would be a great pity if leaving the EU removes a nice interchange of layouts at model railway shows. Yet one more foot we've shot ourselves in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2020 19 hours ago, bécasse said: he said that even visiting the UK will be too much hassle in the future, let alone bringing a layout - many Europeans don't possess passports (I don't) because they travel everywhere in Europe on their ID cards, but the UK has said that it will refuse to accept ID cards from 2021 on the rather spurious basis that they are less secure than passports. So that's how the hospitality industry will be able to cope with fewer foreign workers. Fewer guests to look after. Well done HM Govt! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Square Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 But surely none of you sophisticated Europeans will want to come to the UK? Now that it is in the dark ages with no electricity, no au pairs, no foie gras, no Lithuanian strawberry pickers? A veritable cultural backwater. Nice job (try) Messrs Barnier er al... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Yorkshire Square said: But surely none of you sophisticated Europeans will want to come to the UK? Now that it is in the dark ages with no electricity, no au pairs, no foie gras, no Lithuanian strawberry pickers? A veritable cultural backwater. Nice job (try) Messrs Barnier er al... Oh, you'll be fine. Why would you be interested in foreign layouts any more than you are in foreign workers? Those 8m economically inactive persons can also be gainly used in creating more home grown layouts. Presuming that isn't what they are already doing with their time. Presumably you will still be allowed to model continental prototypes... Chris Edited February 25, 2020 by Chris Higgs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted February 25, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2020 Well, thanks for all the post Brexit doom and gloom. Maybe we should just wait and see what comes about? In the meantime, I would be grateful if we could keep this thread 'on topic', namely my 2mm finescale layout. Cheers, David 7 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Kylestrome Posted March 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) When the whole world seems to be going bananas it’s nice to be able to step back in time and immerse one’s self in a perfect world, even if it is only in 2mm scale and mostly in my head! Currently I’m in the mid-nineteen sixties and work is in progress to replace Kylestrome’s old iron lattice road bridge (not that it ever existed) with something more modern, based on the one at Kyle of Lochalsh. Masking tape is your friend when it comes to holding loads of little bits of nickel silver in place, ready for soldering. The uprights and top rail are cut from some 2mm Scale Association plain rail strip, and the rest is 0.45mm wire. The edges of the bridge are made up from various sections of Evergreen styrene strips. The camera has picked out the places where I still need to clean up some excess solder. The roadway is 1.5mm mounting board, like the rest of the surfaces on the layout, with a 2mm thick aluminium plate epoxied underneath where the bridge is. Everything is just resting in place for now, to allow work to be finished underneath. David Edited April 11, 2022 by Kylestrome 18 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2020 That looks absolutely superb David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Great stuff David - your work is so wonderfully neat. Cheers, Steve 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted March 15, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) On 15/03/2020 at 19:07, Pixie said: Great stuff David - your work is so wonderfully neat. Cheers, Steve Thanks for the compliment. David Edited April 11, 2022 by Kylestrome 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted April 23, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) The harbour at Kylestrome would look rather empty without some form of maritime vessel, so what better than a traditional wooden fishing boat or two? I had already built one, using the Artitec resin kit (also available from Langley Models, I believe), which I think came out reasonably well. As it comes it is very much a continental design, presumably based on a Dutch prototype, but with some new masts and rigging it can be made to represent a typical British boat. The stern is somewhat different in form but I’m willing to live that in order to achieve a quick and relatively easy result. Having bought a second kit, I thought it would be a good idea to make some changes to it to make it look different to “Lilly Ann”. It will be based on this photo that I found on the Internet: https://fishingnews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/WATN-1-Border-Lassie-cropped.jpg I have shortened the cabin by sawing out a section behind the door, and I have removed the ‘hood’ shaped item in the bows. I have also made a start with painting it, in the typical varnished wood style which would still have been seen in the late sixties (Kylestrome is set in 1968/9). More maritime modelling to follow. David Edited April 11, 2022 by Kylestrome 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) Very nice. I can recommend the Clyde Puffer from Gramodels for something properly Scottish. Makes up nicely, with a few tweaks. Edited June 27, 2023 by Ian Morgan re-loaded image 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Do they do models of Para Handy and Sunny Jim to go with it? You wouldn't need one of McPhail as he was always down in the engine room! Jim (in sunny Biggar) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Caley Jim said: Do they do models of Para Handy and Sunny Jim to go with it? You wouldn't need one of McPhail as he was always down in the engine room! I did suggest it to the ModelU guy, but no response yet. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 On 24/04/2020 at 16:26, Caley Jim said: Do they do models of Para Handy and Sunny Jim to go with it? You wouldn't need one of McPhail as he was always down in the engine room! Jim (in sunny Biggar) 22 hours ago, Ian Morgan said: I did suggest it to the ModelU guy, but no response yet. Plus one for that idea (4mm for me though). Nice work on your vessels David and Ian. I'm modifying a Peedie Models "Puffer" as "Auld Reekie" for Crinan just now. Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted April 25, 2020 Share Posted April 25, 2020 Scalescenes have one of those listed. I don't think it includes any figures mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted April 26, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) Have you ever watched an old western where one character says to another “it’s quite out there”, and the other one says ”too quite!”. That’s usually the cue for the war-painted indians native Americans to line up on the brow of the nearest hill. I’ve had many modelling moments that run to a similar script. Just when things are going well, and you’re really enjoying it, you discover you’ve assembled something back-to-front and upside down. Well so far, with this project, that hasn’t happened and I’m feeling unjustifiably chuffed with it. Cue: fishing boat expert, stage left, who will point out to me my ‘obvious’ errors. Until then, I’m having lots of fun putting this together. Some extra hatch details in styrene. Masts and sundry bits are cut from brass tube so that other fixings and details can be readily inserted. 'Eyelets' are twisted 10 amp fuse wire. The fittings for the mast stays were adapted from the kit etchings. On with the rigging! David Edited April 11, 2022 by Kylestrome 14 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John57sharp Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 I’m no expert, but it looks fab. john 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Kylestrome Posted May 9, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2020 I’ve now completed the rigging, using elastic polymer thread fixed in place with cyano glue. The boat’s registration numbers and name were printed on glossy photo paper which was then sanded down extremely thin and glued in place. The name “Silver Dollar” is a tribute to the film “Local Hero” and this scene in particular: https://youtu.be/yWIiRimsXBo All the general ‘clutter’ of a working boat still remains to be detailed. David 16 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan31956 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Any updates for this fabulous model railway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted September 18, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 hours ago, allan31956 said: Any updates for this fabulous* model railway? I shall no doubt push on with this project once the Tour de France, Le Mans 24hr race and the good cycling weather have passed. David *Steady on there ... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-missy- Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Hi David. I am building a couple of boats myself. What is the diameter of your masts? I love the way you have made them and therefore would like to copy it. Thanks Julia. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted June 16, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 16, 2021 4 hours ago, -missy- said: I am building a couple of boats myself. What is the diameter of your masts? Hi Julia, It's always a good idea to include a quote with a query. I only noticed your question by chance, as I don't post here that often after being side-tracked by American N gauge! The size of the tube I used is 1mm with 0.5mm bore. HTH, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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