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chrisf Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 1979 Chrisf apologises again for the late arrival of 1979! Not all this time has been spent in trying to find out what happened in the early part of the year. During 1979 it became all too apparent from the odd comment in the RO that some RCTS members were just not interested in dmus and only submitted reports of locomotive movements and observations. We will never know just what went unreported but logic tells us that there must have been much more than we know. It does seem to be the case, though, that the size and disposition of the 116 fleet had become relatively stable. The Canton allocation was unscathed after the 1979 timetable revision in the Cardiff Valleys, probably because it was already at an irreducible minimum. The Hamilton allocation failed completely to hit the headlines, save for the arrival of two more sets in May: 50090+59374+50132 and 50836+59344+50889. Tonight’s homework is to work out where they had come from! Tyseley now had the largest allocation of Class 116. The allocation as at 12th August 1979 ends this chapter but it was still the case that nothing remained stable for long. Tyseley’s 116s were now beginning to get around in earnest. On 3rd February sets TS507 and TS538 replaced failed expresses due to adverse weather conditions. On 27th May TS535+TS555 formed a special shuttle service from Birmingham New Street to Coalbrookdale. On 28th July Tyseley’s 50070+59026+50095 [TS526] and 50072+59009+50105 [TS509] were observed at Manchester Victoria. 4th August saw TS547 forming a shuttle service between Kidderminster and Bewdley in the formative years of the preserved Severn Valley Railway. To cover for some operating difficulty or other, TS544 and two other units formed 14.38 Birmingham – Paddington on 26th September and on 12th October TS524+TS538 were deployed on a relief football special from Stourbridge to Witton. This report from the September 1979 RO is an early indication of how far and wide Tyseley’s 116 fleet would come to range: “Tyseley 3 car dmus are becoming more common on services through Newark Castle since the introduction of some through workings to and from Birmingham. It is not uncommon for non-corridor suburban sets to be used on these workings, providing an uncomfortable journey for passengers travelling any distance and a difficult job for guards on the Nottingham - Lincoln paytrain section of the journey.” The principal raison d’etre of Class 116 at Cricklewood came to an end on 11th May. The dmu service between Kentish Town and Moorgate ceased after the 17.33 departure from Moorgate, formed of four 116 vehicles and leaving at 17.58. Stratford still had a modest fleet of 116s, largely unheralded but earning the odd mention in despatches. On 14th March 50867+59335+50898 worked the Romford – Upminster branch, usually the preserve of a two-car set. On 2nd June 50845+59353+50898 formed the RCTS London and Thames Haven Rail Tour. The same set made the headlines on 11th August when it worked the Harwich branch, followed by the 16.13 Harwich - Ipswich, the 17.45 Ipswich – Colchester and the 18.30 Colchester – Leicester. On 13th August it worked the 07.44 Leicester – Parkeston. Something notable did happen in the Valleys in 1979. Because of fuel shortages, from 11th June several Cardiff Valleys dmu services were withdrawn and others turned short – to Treherbert at Porth, to Merthyr at Pontypridd and to Rhymney at Bargoed. The cuts were so unpopular with passengers and unions that services were restored on 26th. Instead, most six-car trains were reduced to three. Laira’s allocation went largely unobserved in 1979. Over the weekend of 24th June, however, someone went out with a notebook. In it he recorded set P319 at Exeter and set P317 at Newquay. To conclude this part there follows the list of Tyseley set formations as at 12th August 1979. It is important to remember that there were day-to-day variations that went unrecorded but the list is a model of stability compared with the early years of this depot. Non-members of Class 116 are shown in italics. TS500 50061+59000+50092 TS501 50057+59001+50097 TS502 50861+59002+50912 TS503 50076+59003+50118 TS504 50059+59004+50104 TS505 50065+59005+50094 TS506 50058+59006+50112 TS507 50069+59007+50099 TS508 50851+59376+50904 TS509 50072+59009+50105 TS510 50067+59010+50093 TS511 50819+59346+50915 TS512 50051+59012+50113 TS513 50077+59013+50120 TS514 50862+59014+50872 TS515 50050+59015+51143 TS516 50074+59016+50110 TS517 50824+59343+50906 TS518 50056+59018+50098 TS519 50064+59019+50115 TS520 50827+59361+50880 TS521 51112+59336+51146 TS522 50078+59022+50109 TS523 50055+59023+50116 TS524 50066+59024+50103 TS525 50830+59332+50883 TS526 50076+59026+50095 TS527 50834+59038+50887 TS528 50062+59028+50117 TS529 50828+59338+50127 TS530 50831+59339+50884 TS531 50052+59341+50914 TS532 50079+59351+50121 TS533 51129+59439+51142 TS534 50053+59342+50886 TS535 50860+59438+50913 TS536 50107+59442+50833 TS537 50108+59440+51130 TS538 51131+59441+51144 TS539 50119+59443+51133 TS540 50832+59029+50885 TS541 50835+59334+50888 TS542 50837+59358+50890 TS543 50842+59350+50895 TS544 50854+59192+50907 TS545 50865+59372+50921[to Stratford from 26th September] TS546 51138+59448+51151 TS547 50857+59368+50910 TS548 50866+59352+50919 TS549 51136+59528+51149 TS550 50082+59366+50124 TS551 50852+59328+50871 TS552 50081+59543+50123 TS553 50818+59326+50878 TS554 50821+59333+50875 TS555 50826+59360+50905 TS556 50863+59617+50916 TS557 50100+59348+50840 [arrived in July] TS558 50102+59020+50850 [arrived in July] I will try not to keep gentle readers waiting quite so long for the tidings of 1980. 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RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2020 Don’t worry about us having to wait Chris; your health is more important. Mind, when I remarked last autumn that viruses were nasty little chaps I wasn’t expecting to be proved so right so quickly... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 Tyseley 116s I do remember staring at the inside end wondering where the gangway was as previously I had only travelled on WR 116s. Definitely prefered 117 118 due to toilets. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandRed Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) On 30 June 2018 at 18:42, chrisf said: As expected, there is little to report for 1967. Perhaps surprisingly, much of it deals with liveries, but there must have been many more observations than made it into the hallowed pages of the Railway Observer. 51137+59447+51150, now without seats for parcels traffic, acquitted blue livery but we are not told whether the ends had all-over yellow or merely a panel. It was reported that the former first class compartments in the trailer retained the ‘1’ markings. On 19th August 50918 was noted at Saltash in blue with full yellow end misformed with 50868, still in green - not the lighter shade, surely? In md September a Scottish observer noted 50826, 50879 and no trailer at St Rollox works in blue and W50825+59333+50878 in green at Hamilton Central. Back in the West Country, 50854+59346+50907, 50088+50130 and 50848+50901 were noted in blue with yellow panels and somewhere in Tyseley’s hinterland were seen 50052+59002+50107 in blue with full yellow end. Set numbers for the 116s in Scotland were given in February 1967 as 134 – 142 for those allocated to Hamilton and 238 – 240 for those allocated to Leith Central. Useful as this information is, it stops short of identifying which sets carried which numbers. The search continues. In March 1967 the three Hawksworth trainers were withdrawn from Reading. One instance of such a vehicle working with 116s was recorded and there may have been others. On the subject of withdrawals, 50096 and 59025 sustained collision damage at a so far unknown location. They were withdrawn in October 1967 and cut up at Swindon. Much more happened in 116 land during 1968. Look upon what is set out above as the calm before the storm … Chris Great to see this amazing thread live again. Thank you for your efforts Chrisf - some of the late 50s and early 60s stuff has been very interesting. I have a few observations to record here most of which come from the one spotting note book which hasn't been mislaid or chucked out:- 1) From a holiday in St Ives in summer 1965 - The branch set was a tatty dark green (I think unlined) with SYP second batch unit, W50849; W50902 and I can't be sure of the centre car - possibly W59357. At St Erth, in the sidings was DTC W56289 - clearly out of use but available if needed. 2) Holiday in North Devon July/August 1966 - W50818; W50871; W59326 - green/syp/lined (I think) - it left Barnstaple on the Taunton route with the destination blank - either to Taunton or an intermediate location like Dulverton - the route closed in October 1966 and i had presumed it was a Laira unit but not sure. May still have been Bristol. 3) Holiday in south Devon near Dawlish - most of two weeks in early July 1967 spent trainspotting on the sea wall. All of these observations were near Teignmouth, probably Newton Abbott to Exmouth:- W50088; W50130; W59362 (blue syp; red buffer beams white cab roof); W50849; W59357; W50902 (green SYP); W50910; W59368; W50857 (green syp); At Newton Abbott W50868 (presumed green as no other comment); W50918 (recorded as BFYP); W56298 (bsyp). (NB 56298 and 56292 (green syp) were both recorded working with two cars of class 120 batch 3 (headcode panel) and class 118 during the period so likely spare cars. Kings Cross - 30-10-68 E50877; E59343; E50830; E50828; E59332; E50824 recorded as running as a 6 car - green syp looking quite dirty - appeared in the evening peak I suspect this may have been a nine car and a Baby Deltic or something intervened such was the level of business in the peak - and we didn't see E50880, E50883 E59361 within the formation. (NB the next train recorded was E51116; E56318 (GRCW); E51472; E56447 (Cravens) running as a 4 car!! So maybe FP were really scraping the barrell!! Paddington 30-10-68 W50910 (BFYE), W55992 (Bsyp) with unrecorded GUVs? between. W50915 (no livery record presumed green); W55991 (Bsyp) also with parcels coaches in between. W50083; W59503; W56281; W51412; W59522; W56285; W59543; W51379 - recorded as an 8 car unit. Kings Cross 9-4-69 E50824; E59361; E50880 (no liveries recorded thought green). E50883; E59332; E50828 (no liveries recorded - thought green). I don't recall ever seeing an FP 116 in blue during the 60s. The other observation which may be of interest is that until the cross city line was upgraded and class 116 allocated to it (additional stations on the New Street to Barnt Green length), the class 116s stayed after the LM take over of Tyseley etc on ex WR services (eg Birmingham to Kidderminster; Moor St to Stratford; Birmingham to Leamington, whilst the LM units (Park Royal; GRCW; BRCW twins; Met Cammell 2 and 3 cars, BRCW and Cravens 3 cars all remained on indigenous LMR services. This continued even after Snow Hill closed and the Kidderminster services moved to New Street. Some of the LM units moved out (BRCW 2 cars; Met Camm 2 cars) when a series of lines closed (eg Walsall to Rugeley TV, Wolverhampton to Browhills and beyond), whilst the Park Royal and GRCW were displaced when the WCML electrification through Birmingham and to Walsall brought in the AM4s and AM10s. Some of the Four Oaks/Lichfield/Redditch 3 car Met Cams and Tyseley class 119 went to Chester - used on the Wolverhampton - Shrewsbury and beyond services after loss of their through trains from Paddington after Snow Hill closure and electrification, Rugby/Coventry/ Birmingham/Walsall/ Wolverhampton to Stafford. The class 116, 122 and DTCs all received the M prefix fairly quickly (I started spotting in around 1963 and never recorded a Tyseley unit with a W prefix - except I think the few Cross Country units remaining at Tyseley stayed W prefixed until transfer to Chester or Etches Park in the later 60s). The other interesting thing is the inter transfer of certain 116 and 122 units between Tyseley and Canton, Bristol and Laira continued through the 60s after 1963 and beyond - an example being 55018 which went back to Laira and was used on the Okehampton branch - it was as if Tyseley was viewed and viewed itself as a WR depot until the early 70s!! I only saw 55018 on ex LNW lines (Bescot) undertaking route learning in BFYE - however a friend had seen it previously parked at Stourbridge Junction in green but it had possibly been used on the Town shuttle. I hope this this rambling is of interest to those with DMU and class 116 interests. 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EddieK Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Chris, Glad to hear that you are feeling better, and happy to see the next update in this ongoing saga. All the best, Eddie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2020 On 24/07/2020 at 09:48, MJI said: Tyseley 116s I do remember staring at the inside end wondering where the gangway was as previously I had only travelled on WR 116s. Definitely prefered 117 118 due to toilets. Being South Walian, I resented the 117/8s and their toilets. Why should London people get toilets and not us. Nothing brings out my inner cottage burner more than an an Englishman who can have a cr*P when a Welshman can't... 1 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted August 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2020 21 hours ago, The Johnster said: Being South Walian, I resented the 117/8s and their toilets. Why should London people get toilets and not us. Nothing brings out my inner cottage burner more than an an Englishman who can have a cr*P when a Welshman can't... Those of us who travelled on Southern Region high-density passenger trains (commonly known as 4Sub and 4EPB) also didn't have toilets. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2020 Ah, but I didn't resent the poor sods on the the SUBs and EPBs, or the BedPans, or the Lea Valley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Johnster said: Ah, but I didn't resent the poor sods on the the SUBs and EPBs, or the BedPans, or the Lea Valley. The class 127s had a toilet in the TSO(L). When traveling form Bedford to St Pancras my dad would agree to my brother and I to sit up behind the driver in the leading DMBS. My mother would then tell him off and make us sit in the carriage with the loo "in case we needed to go". That is after being told to go to the toilet before leaving the house to go to the station and then being told to go to the toilet before we got on the train. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandRed Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) On 1 August 2020 at 01:12, The Johnster said: Being South Walian, I resented the 117/8s and their toilets. Why should London people get toilets and not us. Nothing brings out my inner cottage burner more than an an Englishman who can have a cr*P when a Welshman can't... Even Englishmen travelling in the ex GWR West Midlands, including those from posh places like Royal Leamington Spa, Solihull, Knowle, Dorridge and Stratford On Avon couldn't have one, such was the operational area of Tyseley's class 116s. Clearly the LMR was willing to incur the wrath of disgusted of Royal Sutton Coldfield and Barnt Green when the Cross City Line was improved in the mid 70s (using higher capacity trains with 116 units). Presumably they thought the loss of the previous toilet and gangway fitted low density Metro Cammell 3 car units Units replaced with the inferior ex WR suburban stock would be OK after the Royal Borough of Sutton Coldfield suffered the ignomony, with howls of protest in the local press after being subsumed into the City of Birmingham in Local Government reorganisation in 1974!!! I guess WMPTE was responsible for that scheme. It it is curious that the WR specified toilets for the 117 and 118 class though. Perhaps they had learned from the previous error! Edited August 2, 2020 by MidlandRed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Budgie said: Those of us who travelled on Southern Region high-density passenger trains (commonly known as 4Sub and 4EPB) also didn't have toilets. Well, not in the conventional sense anyway... 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 30368 Posted August 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2020 Clive, The travelling by train "toilet ritual" sounds so familier. Rather than a DMU it would have been a BIL or a HAP or Bulleid/Maunsell coaching stock but the repeated entreaties to "...go to the toilet now, I don't want to have to find a public toilet later I have too much to do..." from mum rings in my ears even now, 65 years later. Great thread Clive, thanks. Kind regards, Richard B 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 1980 There is astonishingly little to report of Class 116 in 1980. On 22nd March TS517 was at Canton. It may have arrived via Gloucester because non-corridor stock is not allowed through Colwall or Severn tunnels. On 21st May the only known reallocation of the year took place, of 50073+59017+50891 and 50111 from Cricklewood to Tyseley. In an apparently random observation the Railway Observer remarked of Stratford depot: “Contrary to popular belief, dmus at this depot are allocated in sets, though adherence is rare. The 116s are: 50844+59335+50897, 50845+59353+50898, 50865+59372+50921, 50867+59375+50920.” On 5th July 50115+59019+50064 [TS519] collided head on with a Class 47 at Birmingham New Street. 50115 was severely damaged and later withdrawn. On 11th and 12th October the overhead wires between Liverpool Street to Hackney Downs were converted from 6.25kV to 25kV. A dmu shuttle was provided by two sets borrowed from Cricklewood – 50054+59021+50075 and 50838+59011+50870 – in addition to sets from Stratford’s allocation. So there we have it. 1981 has got to be better than that … Chris 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave47549 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) . Edited October 4, 2021 by Dave47549 Removed pointless guff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 On 01/08/2020 at 01:12, The Johnster said: Being South Walian, I resented the 117/8s and their toilets. Why should London people get toilets and not us. Nothing brings out my inner cottage burner more than an an Englishman who can have a cr*P when a Welshman can't... In my experience it was a brave person (of Gender) who entered a 1st Generation DMU toilet 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 On 24/07/2020 at 13:53, MidlandRed said: 3) Holiday in south Devon near Dawlish - most of two weeks in early July 1967 spent trainspotting on the sea wall. All of these observations were near Teignmouth, probably Newton Abbott to Exmouth:- W50088; W50130; W59362 (blue syp; red buffer beams white cab roof); W50849; W59357; W50902 (green SYP); W50910; W59368; W50857 (green syp); At Newton Abbott W50868 (presumed green as no other comment); W50918 (recorded as BFYP); W56298 (bsyp). (NB 56298 and 56292 (green syp) were both recorded working with two cars of class 120 batch 3 (headcode panel) and class 118 during the period so likely spare cars. @Midland Red - many thanks for your detailed memory! I'm glad you noted the colours. Was that the year when they started changing from green to blue? I (as a scruffy yoof) was probably on some of those very DMUs, to and from school in Teignmouth. I have to confess my own train spotting had taken a pause; I was too busy mucking about with my mates, or trying to chat up the girls on the same train, and my own memory of the colours is a bit hazy. But the green (with stripe?) was my favourite. When the blue and white arrived it seemed, somehow, not very Western Region. Winter storms along the sea wall were always exciting, especially when they blew sea water over (and through) the DMUs, which kept running regardless. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandRed Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 On 30 August 2020 at 22:03, KeithMacdonald said: @Midland Red - many thanks for your detailed memory! I'm glad you noted the colours. Was that the year when they started changing from green to blue? I (as a scruffy yoof) was probably on some of those very DMUs, to and from school in Teignmouth. I have to confess my own train spotting had taken a pause; I was too busy mucking about with my mates, or trying to chat up the girls on the same train, and my own memory of the colours is a bit hazy. But the green (with stripe?) was my favourite. When the blue and white arrived it seemed, somehow, not very Western Region. Winter storms along the sea wall were always exciting, especially when they blew sea water over (and through) the DMUs, which kept running regardless. @KeithMacdonald the info is from an old spotting notebook I have come across in an old removal storage box - there is another one but I haven't been able to find that at the moment - i think it's 1968/69/70. I found the whole question of liveries very interesting at that time, with the variations available (bsyp; bfyp; bsyp no logo; gfyp and new logo; bgfyp (emus and dmus) etc etc). So I tended to note this info, as well as the numbers and headcodes. The one area where the info is incomplete is when bunking sheds - where the writing becomes a bit scrawly and there's no livery info - which is a pain in some cases as for instance, visiting Bury steam shed with the stored AL3s and AL4s etc, some of which were in rail blue, most not and some with full yellow ends. Other photo info via Flickr and other sites has since clarified some of these, some of the locos being stored in the open at Longsight previously. The blue repaints of DMUs started in 1966, WR ones having small yellow panels, white cab rooves, red buffer beams and at least some, with burnt umber painted fittings below body level initially. The red buffer beams were replaced with black, ends became full yellow (around the end of 1966/ beginning of 1967 and initially extended around the cab doors and white cab rooves replaced with roof colour) - not sure when the burnt umber underframes became black - I think early 1967. The WR classes 119/120 cross country units were originally repainted plain blue but blue/grey, from later in 1967. The first time I recorded one in blue/grey was W51083/W59417/W51055 at Birmingham New Street on 21st August 1967. If the DMUs you were travelling in had doors at each seating bay (suburban type) they're likely to have been class 116 or 118. I had a similar cessation of number collecting in the early 70s - becoming a casual observer of them on train trips from work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 21/07/2020 at 17:23, Budgie said: Chris Leigh of this parish used to market cab roofs with built-in destination-blind boxes. I don't have any of the roof domes left in stock. I have just one pair of Derby (116-style) cab ends and a couple of DMU detailing kits. The cast parts really are not up to modern standards. They were OK on Lima conversions when there was little alternative, but if anyone wants them, I'll be happy to answer a PM. (CJL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 1982 If the year has a focus, it is on the replacement of Tyseley’s 116 trailers by 115 vehicles. The process was gradual. Most helpfully, the RO published a list of Tyseley set formations as at 29th March 1982. Non-116 vehicles are shown in italics and include members of Class 101. It is worth mentioning that, despite the pick and mix tradition of Tyseley’s sets, a handful were still formed as they had been delivered from Derby between 1957 and 1959! These are shown with an asterisk after the set number. TS500 50061+59718+50092 TS501 50057+59001+50097 TS502 50861+59002+50912 TS503 50076+59003+50118 TS504 50059+59004+50104 TS505 50065+59005+50094 TS506 50058+59006+50112 TS507 50069+59007+50099 TS508 50851+59376+50904 TS509 50072+59623+50105 TS510 50067+59010+50093 TS511 50054+59011+50106 TS512 50051+59012+50113 TS513 50077+59013+50120 TS514 50862+59014+50872 TS515 50050+59015+51143 TS516 50074+59016+50130 TS517 50824+59741+50906 TS518 50056+59018+50098 TS519 50064+59343+50111 TS520 50827+59361+50880 TS521 50060+59021+50902 TS522 50078+59440+50109 TS523 50055+59023+50116 TS524 50066+59024+50109. TS525 50830+59332+50883 TS526 50070+59026+50095 TS527 50834+59038+50887 TS528 50062+59028+50117 TS529 50828+59000+50127 TS530*50831+59339+50884 TS531 50052+59341+50914 TS532 50079+59351+50121 TS533*51129+59439+51142 TS534 50053+59342+50886 TS535 50860+59438+50913 TS536 50833+59442+50107 TS537 51130+59715+50108 TS538*51131+59441+51144 TS539 50063+59717+50119 TS540 50832+59029+50885 TS541 50835+59334+50888 TS542 50837+59595+50890 TS543*50842+59350+50895 TS544 50854+59336+50907 TS545 50819+59346+50915 TS546*51138+59448+51151 TS547 50857+59368+50910 TS548 50866+59352+50919 TS549 51136+59366+51149 TS550 50082+59115+50124 TS551 50852+59328+50871 TS552 50081+59543+50123 TS553 50810+59326+50878 TS554 50821+59333+50875 TS555 50826+59360+50905 TS556 50863+59118+50916 TS557 50840+59716+50100 TS558 50850+59020+50102 TS559 50073+59714+50891 TS560*51133+59443+51146 Subsequent alterations: TS523 50055+59019+50116 April 82 TS524 Reformed 50068+59009+50103 following Alvechurch accident in July 1982 Stored at Tyseley pending disposal: 50068, 59023 Spare vehicles: 59009, 59019, 59022. Reported as withdrawn: 59348 Withdrawals from Tyseley: July – 50066, 59024, 59338, 59358. August – 59008, 59017, 59365. December – 59000. There were transfers from Hamilton in March 1982 of 50820 to Reading and 59027 to Haymarket before being stored. Sets 116386 and 116395 were disbanded. On 9th August Hamilton depot was closed and its allocation moved to Eastfield. At Cardiff, May 1982 saw almost the end of the hybrid 117/116 sets: C450 acquired 59500 vice 59031, renumbered B436, transferred to Bristol C451 acquired 59504 vice 59371, renumbered B437, transferred to Bristol C452 acquired 59492 vice 59446, renumbered B438, transferred to Bristol C453 acquired 59479 vice 59340, renumbered B439, transferred to Bristol C450 retained its 116 trailer but exchanged 51352 for 51349. In September it acquired 59547 vice 59359, later moving to Reading. In October 1982 two three-car 116 diagrams in the Cardiff Valleys were replaced by single units. The 04.35 Treherbert – Cardiff was worked by a single unit and the 07.32 Rhymney - Cardiff, 17.02 Cardiff – Treherbert, and 17.11 Cardiff – Rhymney became four car formations. A further change was the replacement of a 116 diagram with a three-car 101 set covering the 06.15 Cardiff – Barry Island, 06.50 SX Barry Island – Rhymney, 08.25 SX Rhymney- Cardiff, 07.36 SO Cardiff – Coryton and 08.00 Coryton - Bute Road. Reading set L440 was disbanded so 50083 was on the move again, this time back to Cardiff where it formed new set C307 with 59031 [late of C450] and 50820 [late of Hamilton]. The observant will have noticed that it had two motor brake seconds. In October it was transferred to Laira. It was favoured for the Barnstaple branch because of its two brake vans but also worked the St Ives branch as a power twin. Hitherto little noticed were two 116/117 hybrids at Laira. In May 1982 P317 moved from Laira to Canton with 59446 vice 59492 and P319 did likewise with 59371 vice 59504. Until the arrival of set C307 in October the presence of Class 1l6 at Laira was reduced to a token 59340 in set P469 vice 59479, giving a 118/116 second class only hybrid, and eliminated in June when 59480 replaced 59340. There was still a 116 presence at Cricklewood. On 2nd November the sets observed in service were 50071+59229+50101 and 50114+59365+50923. Chris 3 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Apologies for being daft, but have I missed the 1981 update? Even with my reading glasses on, I cannot see anything relating to that year?!?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 7 hours ago, EddieK said: Apologies for being daft, but have I missed the 1981 update? Even with my reading glasses on, I cannot see anything relating to that year?!?. As Captain Mainwaring would have said, and for much the same reason, I wondered who would be the first to spot that. I had written it but cannot for the life of me explain why I did not post it! 1981 follows directly. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) Here is the missing page! My thanks to Eddie K for pointing out its absence. I shall be working on 1983 today. What could possibly go wrong?! Chris 1981 “Permanent” set formations with effect from 1st February [all at Hamilton]: 116 385 50090+59344+50132 116 386 50820+59027+52012 116 387 50822+59330+50881 116 388 50823+59354+50876 116 389 50825+59379+50873 116 390 50829+59337+50879 116 391 50836+59347+50889 116 392 50839+59374+50892 116 393 50841+59331+50877 116 394 50846+59345+50882 116 395 50853+59367+50894 116 396 50859+59349+50899 A new timetable was introduced in the Cardiff Valleys on 30th March 1981, using two fewer sets. Stabling was as follows: Barry, 2 sets (was 2), Cardiff, 7 sets (was 8), Rhymney, 4 sets (was 6) and Treherbert, 5 sets (was 4). The guards disputed the new service and the situation deteriorated until no trains ran on 3rd April. Services resumed on 9th April. Sympathy action by Canton guards disrupted some main line services. Almost un-noticed, a transfer in May 1981: 50083 from Reading to Laira with the rest of set 440, 51399 and 59500. Some Tyseley sets were re-formed in July 1981. Allerton-based Class 115 trailers 59713/4/5/6/7/8/41 replaced 116 trailers 59017, 59018, 59338, 59343, 59348, 59440 and 59443, all of which were stored. Where’s that complete Tyseley set list when you want it? Other Tyseley reformations, in September: TS511 50054+59011+50106 TS520 50102+59020+50850 TS521 50060+59021+50902 10th October 1981: a Hamilton 116 set worked the 16.35 Edinburgh Waverley - North Berwick. More Tyseley reformations, October 1981: TS511 became TS545 50819+59346+50915 TS521 disbanded TS556 50863+59118+50916 Transfers, October 1981 – from Cricklewood to Tyseley 50054+59011+50106 TS511, 50060+59021+50902 TS521, TS559 50073+59714+50891 November 1981: 50853+59367+50894 [116395] Hamilton – Stratford Withdrawn: 59348 from Tyseley Edited September 24, 2020 by chrisf left something out 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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