Black Marlin Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Hi allI've come across a couple of pictures, like this one, showing LNER locomotives hauling modelably-short trains of 12-wheel Pullman cars. Can anybody tell me what kind of Pullmans they are and whether they are available as models? I'm aware Hornby did some 12-wheel cars but they were flat-panelled while these don't seem to be. Are there suitable kits?Regards,Gavin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted March 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2018 Someone will probably put me right on this, but I think the photo is the West Riding Pullman and there are a mixture of 12-wheel and 8-wheel matchboard panelled cars. If you can find them, the 12-wheel cars produced by Hornby in 2011 would be suitable. Some of them were produced with matchboard sides. The photo is from 1927 though and the cars are in the earlier livery with white/cream above the windows and not the slightly later livery with brown above the windows modelled by Hornby. Antony Ford's series of books on the Pullmans are good. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted March 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2018 Who says Expresses need to be 9 coaches. A GN Atlantic + 6.....what's not to love ... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Someone will probably put me right on this, but I think the photo is the West Riding Pullman and there are a mixture of 12-wheel and 8-wheel matchboard panelled cars. If you can find them, the 12-wheel cars produced by Hornby in 2011 would be suitable. Some of them were produced with matchboard sides. The photo is from 1927 though and the cars are in the earlier livery with white/cream above the windows and not the slightly later livery with brown above the windows modelled by Hornby. Antony Ford's series of books on the Pullmans are good. Yes. I think some of them moved to the Southern when they were replaced by the Steel K Class Pullmans in 1928 and they are the type that Hornby made. I'll have a look in the Oakwood book later and try to find the details. Pullman history is complicated to say the least. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Yes. I think some of them moved to the Southern when they were replaced by the Steel K Class Pullmans in 1928 and they are the type that Hornby made. I'll have a look in the Oakwood book later and try to find the details. Pullman history is complicated to say the least. Jason Antony Ford's Volume 1 will give you chapter and verse : http://www.crecy.co.uk/pullman-profile-no.1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Antony Ford's Volume 1 will give you chapter and verse : http://www.crecy.co.uk/pullman-profile-no.1 I haven't got that though. The Oakwood book is on my shelf. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Hi all I've come across a couple of pictures, like this one, showing LNER locomotives hauling modelably-short trains of 12-wheel Pullman cars. Can anybody tell me what kind of Pullmans they are and whether they are available as models? I'm aware Hornby did some 12-wheel cars but they were flat-panelled while these don't seem to be. Are there suitable kits? Regards, Gavin Do you have your "panelled" and "plated" mixed up? The 12-wheelers were of wooden construction and the sides wood-"panelled". A few were later flush-"plated" with metal - some on just the upper half, a few overall. The Hornby 12-wheelers introduced 2009 were in original wood- panelled condition with the exception of Car 95, a Brake, which was in flush-plated condition. As far as I can see all subsequent Hornby 12-wheelers have been in original wood-panelled condition. Edited March 14, 2018 by Forester Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Have a chat to Graeme King, he is usually floating around on Grantham The Streamliner Years thread, He would be your best bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Sim Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 But by my little knowledge they were phased out by the mid-late thirties, I think, don't quote me on that. Otherwise, try on Tony Wrights thread, there are normally a good bunch of modelers regularly commenting that can usually help out with anything. Its like a permanent online railway encyclopedia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Does anyone know how many 12-wheel Pullman cars operated on UK tracks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 The answer lies within https://biblio.co.uk/book/pullman-profile-1-12-wheeled-cars/d/1336960093?aid=frg&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3ZnqoJqwggMVTYpQBh2hAgeKEAQYAiABEgLApvD_BwE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: The answer lies within https://biblio.co.uk/book/pullman-profile-1-12-wheeled-cars/d/1336960093?aid=frg&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3ZnqoJqwggMVTYpQBh2hAgeKEAQYAiABEgLApvD_BwE Oh you're such a tease. 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Burnham Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 On 06/11/2023 at 19:51, KeithMacdonald said: Does anyone know how many 12-wheel Pullman cars operated on UK tracks? And are any still in runnable condition? "Cambria" was torched by vandals at Robertsbridge some years ago. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom Burnham said: And are any still in runnable condition? "Cambria" was torched by vandals at Robertsbridge some years ago. A LOT of years ago ....... there are, though a number of survivors but most if not all have been / are being found static uses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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