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9 hours ago, Phil Mc said:


Nope, still bulbs.

 

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Phil.

 

Which is especially odd as I asked them about these upcoming releases a while ago on Facebook, because last year's models were advertised with LEDs but came with bulbs, and they said something on the lines of "a mistake was made at the factory with the last batch, this next batch will be LEDs"

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When I gave Eastleigh a test-run straight out of the box, the lights seemed much brighter than any of my other 33’s.

So I was expecting to see LED’s when I opened it up.

But no, still just a single bulb at each end.

Maybe the circuit board or the bulb has a different spec on this batch, to allow it to shine brighter at a lower voltage on DC running ?

 

 Cheers,

Phil.

 

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So they specifically advertise them as having LED's now and they still end up with bulbs....ever get the feeling what Heljan say and what their factories do are two different things?

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I would like to change the headlights in my new 33 to a cool white bulb rather than the warm yellow it has.... cool bulb I have does not work, is there a certain voltage or something I need, obviously a small bulb!! Thank in advance, I'm not to good on electric stuff 

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008 & 025 have progressed across the workbench.

 

008 has just had ploughs added & weathered.

Nameplates to be added when I get them !

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025 has had a few more bits done to get the condition I wanted.

Orange cantrail stripe, Yellow axleboxes ( & the opaque roof panel !!) applied, before weathering.

Again, nameplates to be added later.

 

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I've a real soft-spot for Cromptons, & I think these are great models, which probably explains why I've got way more of them than I can justify !!  :laugh:

 

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Phil.

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On 08/08/2021 at 08:13, Phil Mc said:

When I gave Eastleigh a test-run straight out of the box, the lights seemed much brighter than any of my other 33’s.

So I was expecting to see LED’s when I opened it up.

But no, still just a single bulb at each end.

Maybe the circuit board or the bulb has a different spec on this batch, to allow it to shine brighter at a lower voltage on DC running ?

 

 Cheers,

Phil.

 

Look closely....its not a bulb :) its actually a 5mm LED or atleast in 33025 it is anyway :)

other give away is the blanking plug now has an SM resistor on it.

 

Thankyou Heljan now hopefully i can run lights with loksounds without the risk of them burning out :)

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On 08/08/2021 at 08:13, Phil Mc said:

When I gave Eastleigh a test-run straight out of the box, the lights seemed much brighter than any of my other 33’s.

So I was expecting to see LED’s when I opened it up.

But no, still just a single bulb at each end.

Maybe the circuit board or the bulb has a different spec on this batch, to allow it to shine brighter at a lower voltage on DC running ?

 

 Cheers,

Phil.

 

 

Just checking on the lights again - are the two marker lights supposed to be white when in use. I read back through the thread and saw someone mentioned that the lights can change from red to white given a switch. 

My model of 33021 Eastleigh has the lights above the buffer beam - even though the prototype does not. But are they supposed to be white given that by the looks of things you can not turn them red on the model. 

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13 minutes ago, The Black Hat said:

 

Just checking on the lights again - are the two marker lights supposed to be white when in use. I read back through the thread and saw someone mentioned that the lights can change from red to white given a switch. 

My model of 33021 Eastleigh has the lights above the buffer beam - even though the prototype does not. But are they supposed to be white given that by the looks of things you can not turn them red on the model. 

the circuitry basically hasn't changed so i doubt there is a bicolour LED fitted....because 33s were supposed to be able to switch a lens over the lower markers to change them red, AFAIK this is was abandoned quite early on, they remained white afaik for quite a while but i know some 33s didnt use them in-favour of 2 white/red squares in the route indicator box.

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9 hours ago, pheaton said:

Look closely....its not a bulb :) its actually a 5mm LED or atleast in 33025 it is anyway :)

other give away is the blanking plug now has an SM resistor on it.

 

Thankyou Heljan now hopefully i can run lights with loksounds without the risk of them burning out :)

 

It seems I owe an apology !!

My model of 33008/D6508 from the latest batch does indeed have LED's !!

 

As seen here-

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Including the resistor on the blanking plate.

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I guess you're talking about the weathered Dutch 33025 from the latest batch, as my Blue one from the previous batch is bulb fitted.

 

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Note the blanking plug.

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I was going to say that in my defence, they do look very similar, and I did weather both locos at the same time.

But that's no excuse for making a statement before checking the facts.....:nono:

 

Cheers,

Phil.

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1 hour ago, Phil Mc said:

 

It seems I owe an apology !!

My model of 33008/D6508 from the latest batch does indeed have LED's !!

 

As seen here-

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Including the resistor on the blanking plate.

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I guess you're talking about the weathered Dutch 33025 from the latest batch, as my Blue one from the previous batch is bulb fitted.

 

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Note the blanking plug.

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I was going to say that in my defence, they do look very similar, and I did weather both locos at the same time.

But that's no excuse for making a statement before checking the facts.....:nono:

 

Cheers,

Phil.

Not at all Phil.....it still lags behind some of there other models ...the 128 is proper leds throughout 

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Just checked my 33008, it has one grille not straight. I am guessing the mesh is sperate from the frame and was not in place when the frame was fitted with the two brass lugs on each side (x 4). The lugs have caused hand painting in China to cover the paint coming off the etch when fitted! The other side has a chip off the roof caused but the lugs but not repainted! Not impressed but I can sort these issues. The moulded grilles were much finer and looked better. The 33052 was without repainting but will need a few touches where the brass is visable.

I don't think Heljan have the skills to handle etched detailing.

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On 01/07/2020 at 17:01, TomScrut said:

Here is my attempt at 33063 as preserved.

 

1. I had to remove the Mainline logo on both sides with T cut and replace with transfers. This is because on the side in the top pic Heljan have put the logo in the wrong place as discussed before

2. I was over zealous with the T cut so had to try and cover back over with paint. Neither Phoenix or Railmatch were perfect matches so I had to mix a bit. Applied with a brush (not ideal I know).

3. Transfers are not the right shade and not quite the right size but better than being inconsistent or being in the wrong place. Transfers were for an N gauge loco as they didnt do them for a OO 33.

4. Again over zealous with the gloss varnish. I wanted to try gloss as they are generally very shiny in preservation, but the thickness has messed the colour up slightly. I concentrated on the sides so that the roof kept a more matted look.

5. Nameplates, BR plates and depot plates are from Fox, the Spitfire plate needed painting in a darker blue

6. Bogie details painted as per prototype.

 

 

Criticisms

1. My painting, need to get better in terms of masking etc. I found if I masked it the paint formed an edge where the tape was hence why I tired with a steady hand.

2. Not waiting to get some fine wet and dry to make the finish better where I painted

3. Too much varnish, not perfectly even and I did also catch one or two bits of fluff under it.

4. Plates and transfers not quite the right size but good enough, I am happy with them

5. Painted over the black window surrounds by accident, when I get some black paint I may put that right although I aren't too concerned about it now.

 

One day I might try and improve on it but I am happy enough with it for my first attempt at "modelling".

 

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Prototype pics from Flickr:

 

33063

 

33063 & 37714

 

 

 

 

 

Hi there.

I began the endeavour of starting my own 33063 last week! I've managed to fit all of the nameplates (rather crudely since it is my first modelling project) but have just discovered the livery error and thankfully your thread. Can I please ask what transfers you used for the Mainline livery and the paints used for the bogie detail. Thank you!

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14 minutes ago, Twitsky said:

Hi there.

I began the endeavour of starting my own 33063 last week! I've managed to fit all of the nameplates (rather crudely since it is my first modelling project) but have just discovered the livery error and thankfully your thread. Can I please ask what transfers you used for the Mainline livery and the paints used for the bogie detail. Thank you!

 

Paints were just generic red yellow blue from somewhere, probably Humbrol.

 

Looked up in my emails what I had from Fox Transfers, this is what I think I used:

 

Mainline Freight Logos/Numbering/Data Panels Class 58 & 60 locos

REF NOF2913/2

Scale 2mm/N

 

They are 9x14.5mm in size, as opposed to the 8x13 I measured off the Heljan printing in the wrong place. I went through these in quite a lot of detail with Fox to try and understand which the best option was and we concluded this is what it was.

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On 14/02/2022 at 12:20, TomScrut said:

 

Paints were just generic red yellow blue from somewhere, probably Humbrol.

 

Looked up in my emails what I had from Fox Transfers, this is what I think I used:

 

Mainline Freight Logos/Numbering/Data Panels Class 58 & 60 locos

REF NOF2913/2

Scale 2mm/N

 

They are 9x14.5mm in size, as opposed to the 8x13 I measured off the Heljan printing in the wrong place. I went through these in quite a lot of detail with Fox to try and understand which the best option was and we concluded this is what it was.

Thank you for all your help, I’ve just recently finished mine. Transfers went on ok-ish (a bit wonky) and I was a bit too generous with glue for the nameplates and managed to tear the box halfway through (perfect!). Other than that I think it’s gone quite well.

I contacted Fox about making a darker shade of Spitfire plates and had new variants shipped on my doorstep in less than 24 hours!

 

Finally for under frame detail painting I managed to employ my younger sister with much steadier hands to do it for me! 😅

here are some images:

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18 minutes ago, Chilly said:

Ran both my 33's last night on DC and noticed that both don't have any red warning lights at the trailing end is that correct or do they only work on DCC ?   

Unless you are running in the modern (2000s) era as it's a Southern Region loco so would require red blinds to be shown in the rear when running light but no 'tail lights'.  These days, the assumption seems to be that unless the back of a loco is lit up like a Christmas Tree then there's something wrong with it, but SR practice was that blinds-fitted stock (so Class 33/71/73/74 plus all post 1951 EMUs up to the final REP/VEP builds) showed the right blinds combination (there were operating rules for berthed, running, light loco and shunting moves).

 

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3 hours ago, andyman7 said:

Unless you are running in the modern (2000s) era as it's a Southern Region loco so would require red blinds to be shown in the rear when running light but no 'tail lights'.  These days, the assumption seems to be that unless the back of a loco is lit up like a Christmas Tree then there's something wrong with it, but SR practice was that blinds-fitted stock (so Class 33/71/73/74 plus all post 1951 EMUs up to the final REP/VEP builds) showed the right blinds combination (there were operating rules for berthed, running, light loco and shunting moves).

 

Guess this video proves your point as this is one of the ones I was running along with Eastleigh

 

Shiny Class 33 012 emerges from Eastleigh Works with 50 026 14/4/22 -

 

 

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On 02/09/2022 at 10:55, Chilly said:

Ran both my 33's last night on DC and noticed that both don't have any red warning lights at the trailing end is that correct or do they only work on DCC ?   

 

The short answer is the model isn't fitted with any red lights.

 

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The latest batch of 33/1s are due to arrive this week according to Rails. Unfortunately, the price has risen from £161.46 to £178.46, and £195.46 for a weathered one! I say it every time we get a new release but remember when they were £39 on Hattons, same tooling pretty much!

 

We were on the lookout for a D6580 for our club layout but at that price it was prohibitively expensive, luckily managed to find an earlier release at Warley for the fair sum of £85!

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46 minutes ago, SouthernMafia said:

The latest batch of 33/1s are due to arrive this week according to Rails. Unfortunately, the price has risen from £161.46 to £178.46, and £195.46 for a weathered one! I say it every time we get a new release but remember when they were £39 on Hattons, same tooling pretty much!

 

We were on the lookout for a D6580 for our club layout but at that price it was prohibitively expensive, luckily managed to find an earlier release at Warley for the fair sum of £85!

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The roof tooling has changed on the latest release to represent the earlier roofs. Until now, this choice only existed on the 2nd tooling 33/0s (The early roof 33/0s are the best RTR class 33s out there at the moment, the later roof ones having several of errors).

Then it has a 21 pin socket and LEDs instead of bulbs.

Whether it justifies the £178 price is another debate (certainly enough to convince me not to add a 10th 33 to my collection). The old £39 heavily discounted price is not far off the last Lima prices which was vastly inferior and probably under priced even back then.

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On 03/02/2023 at 11:42, Dan Bennett said:

It’s a shame that D6580 has got the wrong chassis again. It should have a 33/0 chassis without the gangway rubbing plate and buckeye coupling

 

Could just remove them? D6580 does look like it has something of a small rubbing plate but, it's definitely not what Heljan have put on it 

 

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There's also the problem of the fuel tanks, it looks like the whole batch has the unmodified version with the recess. Previous releases have had the correct version depending on era:

 

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Pictures courtesy Heljan

 

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