Nick Holliday Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Heres a few more S&DR locos I've unearthed 'Queen' no.29, 'Raby Castle' no.30 and 'Swift' no. 27 If you want to unearth the whole gallimaufry S&DR locomotives, then try to track down the RCTS tome on the subject. Produced with their usual thoroughness there are enough weird and wonderful designs to keep our 3D printing team busy for a week or two. Although published only twelve years ago, for some reason this book has disappear off the RCTS radar. I was lucky enough to pick up a copy off their trading stand at an exhibition a few years ago. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 If you want to unearth the whole gallimaufry S&DR locomotives, then try to track down the RCTS tome on the subject. Produced with their usual thoroughness there are enough weird and wonderful designs to keep our 3D printing team busy for a week or two. Although published only twelve years ago, for some reason this book has disappear off the RCTS radar. I was lucky enough to pick up a copy off their trading stand at an exhibition a few years ago. This one: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 This photo I believe comes from the S&D 50th anniversary celebration of 1875 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted March 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2018 Hmmm... Of course, as followers of the 'Virtual Pre-Grouping' topic will know, it is very easy to make plateways and wagonways in Trainz... In the digital trainsets world of Trainz Simulator there are some early locomotives available along with some early wagon types as well as plateway type track. I have been tempted more than once to put something together involving an early plateway type railway, but I haven't got around to it yet. This is a digital model of Catch Me Who Can and yes there is a tender available too. Later today I'll have a dig about in my digital trainset box and find all the early locos and rolling stock I have and post some pictures of them. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted March 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2018 If you want to unearth the whole gallimaufry S&DR locomotives, then try to track down the RCTS tome on the subject. Produced with their usual thoroughness there are enough weird and wonderful designs to keep our 3D printing team busy for a week or two. Although published only twelve years ago, for some reason this book has disappear off the RCTS radar. I was lucky enough to pick up a copy off their trading stand at an exhibition a few years ago. Not surprising really, if it's the one shown by Edwardian, as it's an HMRS publication. Very good book by the way. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Sorry but I'm going to make you feel even older as it's twenty two years old. Published in 1996. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted March 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2018 A bit tired after trying to repair somebody else's mess up with a digital model that's publicly released, but doesn't work. All par for the course if you play with digital trainsets. unfortunately. So I had a dig about in my digital trainset box and came up with........ Jenny Lind. And a French EST Crampton. I know where to get some British Cramptons, but I haven't got any of those at the moment. I know I've got some other early locomotives, but with 26Gb of digital trainset files to search through you might have to wait until tomorrow to see those. The biggest difficulty with early digital model locomotives is that there isn't much in the way of early coaching stock to run with them. There'a a good number available for the Broad Gauge, but not much for standard gauge. Paul of Paulz Trainz has made some very nice early NBR coaches, but he's a bit of a lone voice in the wilderness. He has early period goods wagons too and I have a selection of those. For plateway use there are a couple of chaldron wagons and a chaldron wagon and an open wagon for early edge rail wagonways available which is about all you would need anyway. As I find the early stuff I've got I'll post it here so longs as James doesn't mind all the digital content appearing in this thread. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 A bit tired after trying to repair somebody else's mess up with a digital model that's publicly released, but doesn't work. All par for the course if you play with digital trainsets. unfortunately. So I had a dig about in my digital trainset box and came up with........ Jenny Lind. And a French EST Crampton. I know where to get some British Cramptons, but I haven't got any of those at the moment. I know I've got some other early locomotives, but with 26Gb of digital trainset files to search through you might have to wait until tomorrow to see those. The biggest difficulty with early digital model locomotives is that there isn't much in the way of early coaching stock to run with them. There'a a good number available for the Broad Gauge, but not much for standard gauge. Paul of Paulz Trainz has made some very nice early NBR coaches, but he's a bit of a lone voice in the wilderness. He has early period goods wagons too and I have a selection of those. For plateway use there are a couple of chaldron wagons and a chaldron wagon and an open wagon for early edge rail wagonways available which is about all you would need anyway. As I find the early stuff I've got I'll post it here so longs as James doesn't mind all the digital content appearing in this thread. Excellent. Not that it's up to me, but I don't mind. Digital images and models help to introduce a bit of colour to the topic! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted April 1, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2018 I had a further dig in my digital trainset box and found some more early items. Wylam Dilly. Steam Horse. Plateway Chaldron wagon also available as an edge rail model. Open plateway wagon also available as an edge rail model. There's a horse model intended for use with the plateway wagons, but I haven't tried it so I don't know how it works or how animated it might be. If I wasn't in the middle of sorting out a GER-GCR layout at the moment I might be tempted to do something with these models in the way of building a layout. Maybe later on though. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted April 1, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 1, 2018 And here's the last two....... Novelty. Pen-y-daran. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 This contains hundreds of layout ideas, based around lines that stretch back further in time than 1603. You can, according to abe books buy a new copy for £383, or a decent secondhand one for about £30. There is another book, very recently published, which is interesting in the context of this thread because it outlines how, having nailed railway technology in the 1830s and 1840s, Britain did very nicely thank you by exporting it all over the world. Early Wooden Railways is a very interesting book, on a much neglected subject. Further recommended reading on the period under discussion in this topic would also be: Stone Blocks And Iron Rails, by Bertram Baxter, David & Charles, 1966. Timothy Hackworth And The Locomotive, by Robert Young, The Locomotive Publishing Company, 1923. (there have been more recent reprints.) A History Of Railway Locomotives Down To The Year 1831, by C.F. Dendy Marshall, The Locomotive Publishing Company, 1953. (A very scarce book!) A History of British Railways Down To The Year 1830, by C.F. Dendy Marshall, Oxford University Press, 1938. The Evolution Of Railways, by Charles E. Lee, London Railway Gazette, 1943. George And Robert Stephenson, by L.T.C. Rolt, Longmans, Green & Co. Ltd., 1960. Early Railways, by Andy Guy and Jim Rees, The Newcomen Society, 2001. Early Railways 2, Edited by M.J.T. Lewis, The Newcomen Society, 2003. Contemporary accounts Railways In England 1826 And 1827, C. Von Oeynhausen & H. Von Dechen, English translation published by The Newcomen Society, 1971. A Practical Treatise On Railroads, Nicholas Wood,Hurst, Chance & Co. London. First Edition 1825 then 1831. Wood was the Viewer at Killingworth Colliery and a friend and colleague of George Stephenson and was also one of the judges at the Rainhill Trials. The second edition (which I have in my collection) contains Wood's account of the performances of the various locomotives at Rainhill, which he calls 'The Liverpool Contest'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted April 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2018 Stone Blocks And Iron Rails, by Bertram Baxter, David & Charles, 1966. This is one really excellent reference book. When I was modelling 19th century railways in P4 our local library must've got tired of me taking it out on loan on a near constant basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 The first railway in London and the chronicles of Boulton's siding, both by A R Bennett, plus David Joys Diaries should provide a wealth of information, incidentally in the apparent lack of a Victorian Railway Society I set up a Facebook page to that effect if anybody's interested https://m.facebook.com/groups/1614960195255335?view=info&refid=18&ref=bookmarks 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 ive got a copy of the Heck & wentbridge railway book opened 1685 to 1828 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Any ideas what this is? Sketched at Leicester in 1833 looking like a crossbreed betwixt Northumbrian and Lancashire Witch 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) my spidey senses were tingling, the style of the font of the "for description see page 469" looks exactly the same as in the engineer and your image file is named rocket1884 so its most likely in an 1884 issue and it is in the engineer 19th december 1884, accompanying an article on the Liverpool & Manchester, it makes very interesting reading the article "links in the history of the locomotive XVIII" starting on page 468, something about there being more than one rocket and one of them was rebuilt in the form above and worked on the Leicester and Swanningotn railway and that the rocket we still have today might not be the original one Edited April 6, 2018 by sir douglas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2018 my spidey senses were tingling, the style of the font of the "for description see page 469" looks exactly the same as in the engineer and your image file is named rocket1884 so its most likely in an 1884 issue and it is in the engineer 19th december 1884, accompanying an article on the Liverpool & Manchester, it makes very interesting reading the article "links in the history of the locomotive XVIII" starting on page 468, something about there being more than one rocket and one of them was rebuilt in the form above and worked on the Leicester and Swanningotn railway and that the rocket we still have today might not be the original one Fascinating reading - and yet it failed to re-write the accepted history that has come down to us. I note this has G.S. driving Northumbrian, R.S. driving Pheonix and Joseph Locke driving Rocket, with no mention of the firemen. Note also how this summary of the popular history illustrates Northumbrian, with its integral firebox, as one of the "Rocket type" engines built subsequently, though goes on to cite the Northumbrian type as the next generation design. In 1884, there was still, just, the possibility of first-hand oral testimony, although the article has quite a bit of second-hand. Being a ballast engine in those days was so infra dig. The article on electrical safety was an interesting read too! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whart57 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 This photo I believe comes from the S&D 50th anniversary celebration of 1875 The loco on the right has come all the way from Canterbury though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 A selection of early railway signals I came across today, the one on the far left might be of interest to James and Miss T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 A selection of early railway signals I came across today, the one on the far left might be of interest to James and Miss T A great find, thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 21, 2018 A selection of early railway signals I came across today, the one on the far left might be of interest to James and Miss T Notice that it's the Grand Junction one which is closest to the familiar semaphore - survival of the fittest. And as often, the Grand Junction setting the pattern of what a main line railway should be like. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) Nothing funny about the Grand Junction, Sem. The world's first serious long-distance main line railway. Edited April 21, 2018 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I know... it was just the way you posted it! It made me laugh somewhat... Sorry. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I like the LSWR one, which at first glimpse I thought told the phases of the moon and its traverse across the sky. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I like the LSWR one, which at first glimpse I thought told the phases of the moon and its traverse across the sky. I have to admit, old git that I am, I would find that Sou'west signal totally confusing bearing down upon it at 30mph with the headwind bringing tears to my eyes (without benefit of a spectacle plate) dh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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