Regency Rails - Georgian, Williamine & Early Victorian Railways

[Caley Jim]

Is this a model railway forum, or have I inadvertently stumbled into a literary appreciation forum? Discuss. 

 

Jim 

[Compound2632]

It's just a typical RMWeb thread. Perhaps there should be a free Hornpol 10 ft wheelbase steel framed PO wagon for anyone who can find the exit.

[Edwardian]

6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

It's just a typical RMWeb thread.

 

 

I beg to differ; no one has fallen out yet.

 

6 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

Perhaps there should be a free Hornpol 10 ft wheelbase steel framed PO wagon for anyone who can find the exit.

 

Stephen, so young and yet so cynical?

 

2 hours ago, Caley Jim said:

Is this a model railway forum, or have I inadvertently stumbled into a literary appreciation forum? Discuss. 

 

Jim 

 

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

 

How society framed the railways and how the railways framed society is, I submit, a fascinating and legitimate subject, and this topic deals with the formative years in this regard, and the literature of the period is one of the best places to seek for answers.

[Compound2632]

14 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

How society framed the railways and how the railways framed society is, I submit, a fascinating and legitimate subject, and this topic deals with the formative years in this regard, and the literature of the period is one of the best places to seek for answers.

 

'Cept there's no railways in Jane Austen.

 

Although, the first time we tried to visit the Mid-Hants after moving to Reading, taking the train to Alton, we had failed in our youthful childless innocence to factor in that it was a Thomas Day, so we walked to Chawton and went round the cottage instead. Railway enthusiast 0, literary spouse 1. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Compound2632

[Northroader]

Jim, you’re right, here’s a nice example of where it’s really at:

http://evp.dk/index.php?page=odin---danmarks-forste-damplokomotiv

[webbcompound]

10 minutes ago, Northroader said:

Jim, you’re right, here’s a nice example of where it’s really at:

http://evp.dk/index.php?page=odin---danmarks-forste-damplokomotiv

Danmarks første damplokomotiv.

Was it called that because there was no windshield or cab?

[whart57]

On 13/03/2020 at 19:08, Caley Jim said:

The Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway found that members of all social classes were happy to travel in the cheaper second class carriages, which, although they had roofs, had wooden seats with no upholstery and no glass in the windows.   It was even said that Magistrates were happy to travel in the seat-less 'stand-up' fourth class!

 

Jim

 

There are quite a few accounts of wealthy director types saying they were happy to travel in open thirds. The fact that so many were saying that when giving evidence against Gladstone's proposal to regulate the railways and insist on roofs and windows for the lower classes does suggest a bit of economy with the truth.

[Edwardian]

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

'Cept there's no railways in Jane Austen.

 

Although, the first time we tried to visit the Mid-Hants after moving to Reading, taking the train to Alton, we had failed in our youthful childless innocence to factor in that it was a Thomas Day, so we walked to Chawton and went round the cottage instead. Railway enthusiast 0, literary spouse 1. 

 

Which is why it is a good starting point for judging their subsequent impact.

 

Many aspects of an Austen plot, though taking full advantage of several posts a day and the occasional "express", would fail in the face of railway travel.

 

 

[Malcolm 0-6-0]

13 hours ago, Edwardian said:

 

Which is why it is a good starting point for judging their subsequent impact.

 

Many aspects of an Austen plot, though taking full advantage of several posts a day and the occasional "express", would fail in the face of railway travel.

 

 

 

 

Yes, just reading Emma* again at the moment, and there is a reference to how living at a distance of 16 miles from another character makes regular visits impossible. The tyranny of distance** is hard to imagine these days.

 

* Nothing to do with the latest film, just thought it was about time I did.

 

** Pace Geoffrey Blainey 

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2020 by Malcolm 0-6-0
correcting case

[rockershovel]

Victorian railways would transform the publishing trade. 

[Northroader]

Here’s another link to furrin parts, in this case the early Railways in Paris, notably St, Germain and Versailles. If you follow the subsidiary links to these you’ll find some very dainty engravings for imported Stephensons, Buries, and Sharpies.

http://roland.arzul.pagesperso-orange.fr/historique/index.htm

[Caley Jim]

4 hours ago, Northroader said:

Here’s another link to furrin parts, in this case the early Railways in Paris, notably St, Germain and Versailles. If you follow the subsidiary links to these you’ll find some very dainty engravings for imported Stephensons, Buries, and Sharpies.

http://roland.arzul.pagesperso-orange.fr/historique/index.htm

I have almost finished reading David Hamilton's recent book on the early locos of the Caledonian Railway.  William Barber Buddicom is mentioned several times as he was brought in by Locke to work on the GP&GR and then went with him to the Edge Hill Works of the GJR and was closely involved in development of what became known as the 'Crewe Type'.  From there he went to France with Locke in 1841 and they set up the firm Allcard Buddicom et Cie, first with works at Chertreux, which had no rail connection, and in 1845 moving to Sotteville, just outside Rouen and adjacent to the line.

 

"Buddicom became so well known in France that 'Le Buddicom' became slang for a locomotive,just like 'Hoover' was later used for vacuum cleaner in this country". (Ibid p13)

 

Jim

[Northroader]

On that link, Jim, you may spot a long boiler 2-4-0 Buddicom, something the Caley didn’t think of, which would make a nice model, and also Rouen managed to do an 0-4-2 Buddicom, ditto, which was also pictured in your book. Funny thing, I was looking in that book the other night for Sharp Roberts 2-2-2s, and the Caley and constituents never had any, rather suprising when you consider pretty well every other line had some.

[Caley Jim]

1 hour ago, Northroader said:

On that link, Jim, you may spot a long boiler 2-4-0 Buddicom, something the Caley didn’t think of, which would make a nice model, and also Rouen managed to do an 0-4-2 Buddicom, ditto, which was also pictured in your book.

The two Buddicom's in the 'Paris-Rouen' link certainly have an early 'Crewe Type' look abut them.

 

Jim

[Ian Simpson]

A promising new early layout blog here: Trying to Model the Liverpool & Manchester in ho.  I think anyone modelling the Liverpool and Manchester Railway in Oklahoma deserves all our support!

[Florence Locomotive Works]

Many thanks Ian,

the station has since been installed.

Addmitidly we don’t have much railway stuff here, no passenger trains, as the beautiful Art Deco station is now a jazz museum, but we do have an enormous hump yard used by the BNSF. We have too old locos lying around in parks, one a logging engine, the other a giant 4-8-4 named meteor.

 

-Douglas

Edited March 24, 2020 by Florence Locomotive Works

[drmditch]

On 16/03/2020 at 05:51, rockershovel said:

Victorian railways would transform the publishing trade. 

Also Mr Gladstone's reducing the tax on Paper in his 1860 budget.

(Just re-reading Roy Chadwick's biography of Gladstone.)

 

[Dana Ashdown]

To the discussion earlier in March regarding carriage chassis, here are three drawings from Whishaw (1842 edition):

[whart57]

I wonder how long those low floor carriages lasted

[HonestTom]

On ‎15‎/‎03‎/‎2020 at 15:53, Edwardian said:

 

Which is why it is a good starting point for judging their subsequent impact.

 

Many aspects of an Austen plot, though taking full advantage of several posts a day and the occasional "express", would fail in the face of railway travel.

 

 

 

Funnily enough, Tolstoy's inspiration for Anna Karenina was the coming of the railways. He was sitting in a station and thought railways could be a great device for enabling plausible coincidences.

[john new]

The latest update regarding the Early Railways Conferences serial now posted into its' own thread.

[Asterix2012]

On 21/03/2018 at 14:47, Caley Jim said:

I built one of these kits many, many years ago!

 

The first Scottish railway was the Tranent and Cockenzie Waggonway, built in 1772, horse drawn on wooden rails.

 

Jim

Just FYI the cockenzie and port Tranent waggonway was opened in 1722 and was briefly involved in the early stages of the 1745 Jacobite rebellion

[Caley Jim]

1 hour ago, Asterix2012 said:

Just FYI the cockenzie and port Tranent waggonway was opened in 1722 and was briefly involved in the early stages of the 1745 Jacobite rebellion

Yes, I was aware of that typo @Asterix, and that the Battle of Prestonpans was fought across it.

 

Jim

[cctransuk]

27 minutes ago, Caley Jim said:

Yes, I was aware of that typo @Asterix, and that the Battle of Prestonpans was fought across it.

 

Jim

 

Now what would a Jacobite armored train have looked like?

 

Can you armor a horse?

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

 

 

[Edwardian]

One imagines it would wear Royal Stewart Tartan ....