RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted April 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 14, 2021 Given most of the cost of a new product is the development and tooling, which is already sunk*, it's probably worth them producing another batch and getting some income, rather than wait an indeterminate period of time for this lot to be released. Getting the production slots might be an issue there though. *see what I did there 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted April 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 14, 2021 54 minutes ago, Hal Nail said: Given most of the cost of a new product is the development and tooling, which is already sunk*, it's probably worth them producing another batch and getting some income, rather than wait an indeterminate period of time for this lot to be released. Getting the production slots might be an issue there though. *see what I did there *No, give us a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted April 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, Western Aviator said: *No, give us a clue. If a pun is so bad it needs explaining, it's probably better to make smoke and scurry off. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 58 minutes ago, Western Aviator said: *No, give us a clue. Wouldn't want to rock the boat by helping explain... oops! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, lyneux said: Wouldn't want to rock the boat by helping explain... oops! Reminds me of a wartime joke about a US warship and a Canadian lighthouse... Nighttime, no radar, seeing a light the US warship orders the other vessel to make a course correction, under condition of force if neccessary... on the radio the voice reverts US Warship, we are a lighthouse. Edited April 14, 2021 by adb968008 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham108 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: Reminds me of a wartime joke about a US warship and a Canadian lighthouse... Nighttime, no radar, seeing a light the US warship orders the other vessel to make a course correction, under condition of force if neccessary... on the radio the voice reverts US Warship, we are a lighthouse. Never happened sadly - https://www.britishpathe.com/gallery/urban-legend/2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bartram108 said: Never happened sadly - https://www.britishpathe.com/gallery/urban-legend/2 Never said it did.. I said.. Quote Reminds me of a wartime joke about a US warship and a Canadian lighthouse... And I heard it a long time before 1995, but maybe that was the time someone first wrote it on the internet.. its gone around for decades... Edited April 14, 2021 by adb968008 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clink junction Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Of all the ships in the world! One good thing, at two years late I’ve had time to squirrel away the odd tenner here and there so the misses doesn’t know what they have cost me!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEARJAMMER Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 Well at least we know exactly where they are now...... and we will know when they are on route as i expect it will make the main stream news. So no need to to rely on Dapol to communicate to us. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/05/egyptian-court-refuses-to-release-ever-given-container-ship-that-blocked-the-suez-canal Doesn't look like they'll be moving any time soon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted May 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, SouthernMafia said: https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/05/egyptian-court-refuses-to-release-ever-given-container-ship-that-blocked-the-suez-canal Doesn't look like they'll be moving any time soon. The sums involved are astronomical - the bill from the Egyptians equates to £36K per container on board. How that will get split between the owners of the ship, insurance and the owners of the goods, who knows... Frightening. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roy Langridge said: The sums involved are astronomical - the bill from the Egyptians equates to £36K per container on board. How that will get split between the owners of the ship, insurance and the owners of the goods, who knows... Frightening. Roy The longer it goes, the larger the legal fees to.. 18k containers might have 18k lawyers, and a similar army of lawyers with the handler who has to put this thing together, and then defend in Egypt. GA relies on all 18k container owners having sufficient cover, those policies will have insured limits. If it exceeds that, finding the difference may get trickier. If this gets to 6 months, I wonder if it ends up being abandoned, as a total loss or write off as the cheaper option. Edited May 7, 2021 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 22 hours ago, adb968008 said: The longer it goes, the larger the legal fees to.. 18k containers might have 18k lawyers, and a similar army of lawyers with the handler who has to put this thing together, and then defend in Egypt. GA relies on all 18k container owners having sufficient cover, those policies will have insured limits. If it exceeds that, finding the difference may get trickier. If this gets to 6 months, I wonder if it ends up being abandoned, as a total loss or write off as the cheaper option. It’ll make a welcome change from nicking grave goods for the Egyptians. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) A potential solution? Edited May 8, 2021 by lyneux 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 It seems to me that Evergreen are throwing their customers under the bus! Probably an eventuality that is not covered by the insurance they have! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 It seems to me that Evergreen are throwing their customers under the bus! Probably an eventuality that is not covered by the insurance they have! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) There was a chap on radio 4 yesterday who has 2 40ft containers of garden equipment on the ship worth £400k. He's been told by his insurer that his share of the bill he has to stump up is £242k to get his gear delivered! He doesn't know what he's going to do. Edited May 8, 2021 by KDG Smelling pistake x 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 17 hours ago, KDG said: There was a chap on radio 4 yesterday who has 2 40ft containers of garden equipment on the ship worth £400k. He's been told by his insurer that his share of the bill he has to stump up is £242k to get his gear delivered! He doesn't know what he's going to do. That seems grossly unfair, why should the customer who had no involvement in the ship crashing have to pay anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted May 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, SouthernMafia said: That seems grossly unfair, why should the customer who had no involvement in the ship crashing have to pay anything? General Average - https://www.lloydsloadinglist.com/freight-directory/news/‘Ever-Given’-vessel-owner-declares-‘general-average’/78806.htm#.YJexM7VKhdg 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEARJAMMER Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Surely a quick solution is for Evergreen to get two ships to drop anchor each end of the canal and say to Egypt, nothing moves until we get our ship back. Maybe backed up by a Chinese war ship, or even better, some European and US warships. Will probably never happen but might make Egypt realise that not only are the pi$$ing off Evergreen by holding their ship to ransum but also many other countries by holding onto their containers and the goods inside them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted May 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 09/05/2021 at 10:32, SouthernMafia said: That seems grossly unfair, why should the customer who had no involvement in the ship crashing have to pay anything? It’s kinda weird that the insurer are asking the customer to pay, but almost certainly down to the nuances of his insurance. As above - (oversimplification) general average is when people who haven’t suffered a loss have to contribute to offset the cost of those who have. It’s only employed in certain circumstances, effectively the logic is “Your container wasn’t pushed overboard to stop the ship sinking, but can you stump up to cover the cost of those that were”. It’s not that often used, it complicates claims immeasurably. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 12 hours ago, GEARJAMMER said: Surely a quick solution is for Evergreen to get two ships to drop anchor each end of the canal and say to Egypt, nothing moves until we get our ship back. Maybe backed up by a Chinese war ship, or even better, some European and US warships. Will probably never happen but might make Egypt realise that not only are the pi$$ing off Evergreen by holding their ship to ransum but also many other countries by holding onto their containers and the goods inside them. So Evergreen will have three ships impounded instead of one; perhaps with more of our vital model railway supplies on board. We can’t send a gunship – they’re busy dealing with the French. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Dapol have announced a further run of O&K Hoppers in Yeoman early and later liveries, expected Q1 2022. Which will get here first, those currently stuck on the Ever Given or the next run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted June 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2021 The Rails of Sheffield announcement pegs them as a "new announcement". I reckon they're writing off the batch on the Ever Given, and starting again. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Dapol have probably been told the situation will drag on so getting a new batch made. If there's no significant update soon I reckon people will cancel their first order and reorder the new ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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