LBSC123 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Does anyone know if it's possible to purchase the sound decoder used in these models separately from Dapol or elsewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 For SECR green there is the added complication that not all locos were repaired and painted at Ashford. Longhedge was still around for a good many years. In Southern days locos mostly went back to their own area for repair but engine history sheets show that wasn't always the case, especially with smaller types. Minor repairs were done at shed, and if the loco was likely to be seen by "authority" there would possibly be some patch painting done. Plus the IOW Terriers once sent over stayed there until redundant, at which point they were scrapped, reduced to spare parts or returned to the mainland. For a best guess at the exact spec for any engine you need the engine history card, plus a good colour photograph of both sides, which were not always the same, and preferably both pictures taken on the day in history you are modelling. Otherwise it is a case of "best guess" and live with that- but please don't criticise others who come to a different conclusion. We are talking of 50+ years since the last Terrier was withdrawn from BR service, and nationalisation was three years before I was born. Those alive at the time of the grouping would have been too young to look closely at railway engines.... Les 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWsTrains Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, LBSC123 said: Does anyone know if it's possible to purchase the sound decoder used in these models separately from Dapol or elsewhere? AFAIR this is 2nd time this has been asked and as first time, I reported I'd asked Rails by phone and was told it was a ZIMO sound being fitted. Check your favourite chip supplier, they should know by now what ZIMO will / will not fit. Health warning, don't take it on my word alone, give Rails a call to verify. Edited October 12, 2020 by BWsTrains add'n 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 08/10/2020 at 17:12, Roy Langridge said: Received notification that my DCC fitted Southern Green 2644 is on the way to me. Roy Well, my DCC fitted Southern Green 2644 arrived today and looks lovely, not run it yet but so far all is good. One surprise, my "**Speaker pre-fitted **" is just provided loose in the plastic bubble packaging rather than pre-fitted. Anybody else had this with theirs? Given I had, in time, planned to add sound it seems a bit odd that it is not just a quick switch of Next18 decoder. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: Well, my DCC fitted Southern Green 2644 arrived today and looks lovely, not run it yet but so far all is good. One surprise, my "**Speaker pre-fitted **" is just provided loose in the plastic bubble packaging rather than pre-fitted. Anybody else had this with theirs? Given I had, in time, planned to add sound it seems a bit odd that it is not just a quick switch of Next18 decoder. Roy I think you should return it to Rails. Rails is very good about replacements and will e-mail you a reply paid label. I have two of the Rails/Dapol Terriers. In the first, the speaker was loose but wired in. It was tricky to get the top back onto the chassis. In the second, 2644, the speaker is not only wired in but fixed in place, so that wiring connects body and chassis. However, the blanking plate fell out. I have just ordered a third. When it arrives, I’ll have three Hornby and three Rails/Dapol and be able to make a balanced comparison. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, No Decorum said: I think you should return it to Rails. Rails is very good about replacements and will e-mail you a reply paid label. I have two of the Rails/Dapol Terriers. In the first, the speaker was loose but wired in. It was tricky to get the top back onto the chassis. In the second, 2644, the speaker is not only wired in but fixed in place, so that wiring connects body and chassis. However, the blanking plate fell out. I have just ordered a third. When it arrives, I’ll have three Hornby and three Rails/Dapol and be able to make a balanced comparison. Thanks for your reply. Assuming all runs ok when I try it later today, I am quite happy to sort it myself as I regularly rewire locos. I was just surprised to have it like this, especially given that they made a big thing about it having a pre-fitted speaker. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, Roy Langridge said: Thanks for your reply. Assuming all runs ok when I try it later today, I am quite happy to sort it myself as I regularly rewire locos. I was just surprised to have it like this, especially given that they made a big thing about it having a pre-fitted speaker. Roy I have to admit that I don’t follow my own advice. Although I did return a Hatton’s P to Rails and received an excellent replacement, I haven’t returned either of my Terriers. Both ran rather badly. Contrary to instructions, I applied light oil to the moving parts (including a tiny drop to the motor bearings) and gear oil to the gears. It has improved both of them greatly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 Ok, may be reassessing this one. The manual says that the speaker is wired to the DCC Socket and I know from experience, wiring to a Next18 decoder socket itself is not the easiest. Before I even go lifting the body off (as I may return this one), please can anybody confirm if the speaker is wired to pads or if it is wired to the pins of the Next18 socket itself? Thanks in advance, Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyS Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I have two examples of the BR 32650, one is (hopefully) to be altered to represent 32662. Both run reasonably well although one is quite noisy. The first one has a bowed footplate. It rises up by 1mm in the middle which means that the cab leans backwards. The second one had a chimney loose in the box, the front vac pipe broken off and the cab rear leaning backwards. I suppose I should have sent both of them back as I did with Bodiam but, like No Decorum, I decided that it was not worth the bother. Rodney 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium stephennicholson Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2020 15 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: One surprise, my "**Speaker pre-fitted **" is just provided loose in the plastic bubble packaging rather than pre-fitted. Anybody else had this with theirs? Given I had, in time, planned to add sound it seems a bit odd that it is not just a quick switch of Next18 decoder. I wonder if this is due to the change to the installation procedure that was referred to in the recent email for DCC fitted examples? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: Ok, may be reassessing this one. The manual says that the speaker is wired to the DCC Socket and I know from experience, wiring to a Next18 decoder socket itself is not the easiest. Before I even go lifting the body off (as I may return this one), please can anybody confirm if the speaker is wired to pads or if it is wired to the pins of the Next18 socket itself? Thanks in advance, Roy Let’s take a look. Below is the best picture I can manage. Taking off the blanking plate reveals that the speaker wires (the two black wires coming out of the body) are soldered to pads, not the Next18 socket. I have good short sight but I still have to use a bright light and a magnifier to see, I think, that they are labelled “SPK” and “SP1”. The bad news is that the pads are minute. If you can solder speaker wires to them, you’re a good ’un. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, No Decorum said: Let’s take a look. Below is the best picture I can manage. Taking off the blanking plate reveals that the speaker wires (the two black wires coming out of the body) are soldered to pads, not the Next18 socket. I have good short sight but I still have to use a bright light and a magnifier to see, I think, that they are labelled “SPK” and “SP1”. The bad news is that the pads are minute. If you can solder speaker wires to them, you’re a good ’un. Thanks for that. You are right, those pads are tiny. I trained as an electronics engineer and a few years ago soldering that would not have concerned me at all. Today, my dexterity is not what it was and this one will probably go back as I don't want to try to fit the speaker and then if there are any issues be told the warranty is void. If they are all provided like that now with the pre-fitted speaker not pre-fitted, I may ask for a refund. I note in your photo that the Motor+ wire has quite bit of exposed core, not great with a decoder sitting just next to it - I would be inclined to put some Kapton tape across the PCB. Edit: Seems to run nicely although I note that the flickering firebox LED sometimes stays on without flickering and sometimes goes off and does not seem to come back on until i turn F1 off and back on again. Very different to my Dapol B4. Will contact Rails about the speaker. Roy Edited October 13, 2020 by Roy Langridge 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 Right - here goes, and I am not a happy bunny. Spoken to Rails who inform me that Dapol took the decision to remove the pre-fitted speaker on DCC fitted Terriers as the speakers were falling out and were causing "performance" issues. Now, I am at a loss as to what performance issues could be caused by a speaker, I certainly don't suffer any on any other loco I have had with a pre-fitted speaker such as the Bachmann Baldwin. I didn't go straight to sound as I like to hear the various offerings and I am, as yet, undecided whose sound to use. A simple Next18 decoder swap is easy, for me wiring the speaker to tiny pads on the PCB will be much more of a challenge. So, I have been given a choice of: Leaving it as it is and having having to get the speaker refitted as and when I go sound. (The speaker is provided, but having been used already in the loco and then stuck to the plastic packaging it now needs a new gasket to attach, so that will need to be sourced). Reverting to a plain DCC model (no good to me as I am on DCC) A refund within 14 days (my probable course of action). I ordered this in May 2018 and to wait this long to get something that is not as described is pretty annoying. Why were not not informed of this decision and given a choice before they were despatched? I note that the Rails website still quotes the DCC Fitted models as having a speaker pre-fitted: Rail Dapol 2644. Clearly a case of what is supplied not being as described. Roy 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: Right - here goes, and I am not a happy bunny. Spoken to Rails who inform me that Dapol took the decision to remove the pre-fitted speaker on DCC fitted Terriers as the speakers were falling out and were causing "performance" issues. Now, I am at a loss as to what performance issues could be caused by a speaker, I certainly don't suffer any on any other loco I have had with a pre-fitted speaker such as the Bachmann Baldwin. I didn't go straight to sound as I like to hear the various offerings and I am, as yet, undecided whose sound to use. A simple Next18 decoder swap is easy, for me wiring the speaker to tiny pads on the PCB will be much more of a challenge. So, I have been given a choice of: Leaving it as it is and having having to get the speaker refitted as and when I go sound. (The speaker is provided, but having been used already in the loco and then stuck to the plastic packaging it now needs a new gasket to attach, so that will need to be sourced). Reverting to a plain DCC model (no good to me as I am on DCC) A refund within 14 days (my probable course of action). I ordered this in May 2018 and to wait this long to get something that is not as described is pretty annoying. Why were not not informed of this decision and given a choice before they were despatched? I note that the Rails website still quotes the DCC Fitted models as having a speaker pre-fitted: Rail Dapol 2644. Clearly a case of what is supplied not being as described. Roy That is very odd. Like you, I have 2644 and the speaker is wired in and firmly fixed to the body. On my earlier model, the stunning little 643 in LB&SCR umber, the speaker did fall out but not until I took the body off. It took some fiddling to get it back into place but caused no other problems. After the lubrication I mentioned earlier, it runs nicely. It might be the case that if you get a replacement, the speaker might be wired in – mine was. It will be interesting and, I hope, not traumatic to see what my W9 Fishbourne is like when it arrives. I’ll offer a word of praise for Rails. Fishbourne is coming with a couple of other items, one of which is offered with free postage. The whole parcel is coming post free. It’s a little touch that endears a retailer to a customer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, No Decorum said: That is very odd. Like you, I have 2644 and the speaker is wired in and firmly fixed to the body. On my earlier model, the stunning little 643 in LB&SCR umber, the speaker did fall out but not until I took the body off. It took some fiddling to get it back into place but caused no other problems. After the lubrication I mentioned earlier, it runs nicely. It might be the case that if you get a replacement, the speaker might be wired in – mine was. It will be interesting and, I hope, not traumatic to see what my W9 Fishbourne is like when it arrives. I’ll offer a word of praise for Rails. Fishbourne is coming with a couple of other items, one of which is offered with free postage. The whole parcel is coming post free. It’s a little touch that endears a retailer to a customer. Rails said that the DCC Fitted ones are having them removed. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: Rails said that the DCC Fitted ones are having them removed. Roy Duh! Sorry, I should read more carefully. Might the solution be to get a DCC ready one and fit a decoder yourself until you are ready to fit a sound decoder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium stephennicholson Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, No Decorum said: Duh! Sorry, I should read more carefully. Might the solution be to get a DCC ready one and fit a decoder yourself until you are ready to fit a sound decoder? Certainly quicker. I am still waiting for my Umber DCC fitted Terrier. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, No Decorum said: Duh! Sorry, I should read more carefully. Might the solution be to get a DCC ready one and fit a decoder yourself until you are ready to fit a sound decoder? That is my normal route, so I may well do that. I only went DCC Fitted as I have been quite impressed with Dapol decoders and thought it would be the easy route... Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: Right - here goes, and I am not a happy bunny. Spoken to Rails who inform me that Dapol took the decision to remove the pre-fitted speaker on DCC fitted Terriers as the speakers were falling out and were causing "performance" issues. Now, I am at a loss as to what performance issues could be caused by a speaker, I certainly don't suffer any on any other loco I have had with a pre-fitted speaker such as the Bachmann Baldwin. On Bodiam, the speaker was loose and stuck to the motor. A little bit of work to glue back onto the side of side tank but can understand that Dapol might not have the resources to pull these locos apart, fit a plain decoder and get it all back togethor again with a speaker that easily detaches. Hopefully my sound fitted one will be ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2020 Improved engine green arrived.....Brighton & Boxhill DC 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Well little titch arrived today - plain DCC fitted version. Detail & Finish wise, much more refined than the Hornby versions, however running wise, not quite up the same level as the Hornby model nor the plain DC Rails Bodiam A1 I recieved previously. I find as you crank up the speed, there is no movement until my DCC controler says 8mph, and off she shoots at about a scale 20mph. The motor hums like those odd locos on the H&M half wave in the 1980s too. I'll see if running in settles her down. A few picks showing her with the two Hornby incarnations. And one pick showing her with a pair of LCDR wagons (quite apt when this loco would have run as such) and 1 Rails first series SECR vans repainted from BR to SECR colours. If only I could order those other Rails SECR vans due out soon (they don't even exist in kit form, Cambrian kits are apt for SECR grey Loco era at best while other kits are for prototypes getting on for their last legs). 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
choo1choo Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Hoorah....notification received just now that Boxhill is on the way. Hope it was worth the 2 year wait! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 We are pleased to announce that the DCC Ready versions of both 'Boxhill' and 'Brighton' Gold Medal A1 Stroudley Improved Engine Green Terriers have arrived in stock and available to purchase now! CLICK HERE DCC Fitted and sound versions will follow on shortly. A big thanks to everyone who pre-ordered, we hope you feel they have been worth the wait! 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Rails of Sheffield are very kindly lending me 6 of their Terriers for a Terrier themed livestream tonight. These include a sound fitted Boxhill for full demonstration of the sound versions. I’d like to thank Rails for letting me do this. It will be live from 7pm BST on Youtube. l 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
choo1choo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 16/10/2020 at 16:37, choo1choo said: Hoorah....notification received just now that Boxhill is on the way. Hope it was worth the 2 year wait! Morning all, Boxhill duly arrived with postie this morning......and yes....it was worth the 30 month wait. Cracking loco. Craig. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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