RMweb Premium Welly Posted July 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2018 ^^^ There is something about that picture! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foulounoux Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 ^^^ There is something about that picture! Heaven ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Morning folks. Quick opinion poll... The rest of the DPM sections have arrived from Rails of Sheffield and I'm ready to start playing around with them to get the low relief backdrop to the concourse. 3 of the sections I want to use are almost totally glass-fronted and will be a fictitious interpretation of the Europa Buffet & Bar. Is it worth standing these sections around 25mm forward of the backscene and trying to make a representation of the interior using photos shrunk to fit and perhaps a 3D table & chairs in each window bay? The alternative is to black-out the window sections and have them flat against the backscene, gaining around an inch of concourse. Bearing in mind the eventual overall roof, I wonder how much will actually be seen? Opinions very welcome and if anyone's actually done something similar, I'd be delighted to hear about it and see your efforts. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 G'day Folks Give it an inch of space, then you can include the Kings Cross staff clothing stores above the buffet, the stairs came down at the concourse end of platform 14. There was always plenty of movement on the stairs as none of our uniforms fitted. manna 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 10, 2018 Unless you are going to light the buffet to see the detail I wouldn't bother Pete. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted July 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2018 I’d do something with the interior, the glasing will provide some reflection too which will throw light around and diffuse the internal view. I’d experiment with what goes behind the glass, a bar picture might work, or 2D decoupage, the decoupage could work well as the viewing angles are restricted. If you have tables etc in 3D view be careful that it doesn’t end up arranged looking like a shop display window. You can view block the frontage with a simple line or couple of gaggles of brutes that bred like rabbits on the suburban platforms. Add some staff and a passenger arguing about how close they were/weren’t to being run down by a train of brutes. I like manna’s idea of the stairway too, that’ll add another signature feature, Walthers do HO fire escapes that may be adaptable, and there’s stairway components in the Plas-Struct range Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) Unless you are going to light the buffet to see the detail I wouldn't bother Pete. Mike. Agreed. I made up a Metcalfe signal box interior for my small station box. I carefully added table and straight chair, easy chair, carpet, lever frame and levers, block instruments and track diagram etc.; then I added the roof and hardly any of the interior is now visible through the windows from more than 3 inches away. Edited July 10, 2018 by jonny777 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Morning folks. Quick opinion poll... The rest of the DPM sections have arrived from Rails of Sheffield and I'm ready to start playing around with them to get the low relief backdrop to the concourse. 3 of the sections I want to use are almost totally glass-fronted and will be a fictitious interpretation of the Europa Buffet & Bar. Is it worth standing these sections around 25mm forward of the backscene and trying to make a representation of the interior using photos shrunk to fit and perhaps a 3D table & chairs in each window bay? The alternative is to black-out the window sections and have them flat against the backscene, gaining around an inch of concourse. Bearing in mind the eventual overall roof, I wonder how much will actually be seen? Opinions very welcome and if anyone's actually done something similar, I'd be delighted to hear about it and see your efforts. kx_0040.jpg I used some (left over) reflective window film recently as a simple backing for a warehouse backdrop. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mirror-Reflective-One-Way-Privacy-Window-Film-Sticky-Back-Glass-Tint/152411213132?hash=item237c6a8d4c:m:mcScp-zjBgaK5GPnffbBKdA - go for the True One Way stuff - good value if you've got a lot to do. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) Thanks guys. All much appreciated. I wasn't convinced that there was much point trying to replicate an interior even before I asked the question, but I think I have a plan. I'll make up a little card box about an inch deep, add a few Preiser cafe tables and chairs at the front edge and see how it looks. I think it'll look like a shop window display, as PMP says above. Worth a try though. I also followed the link in Andy Y's post and have ordered a 99p sample of the one-way film to see how that looks. At that price for a sample, what's to lose? I'm betting on "no interior" to win. Re: the staircase, I was vaguely aware that it existed, but photo evidence escapes me. The more I think about it, it would add a little character. Auhagen do something similar (below) and it's readily available, so I'll give that some thought. Thanks again. Edited July 11, 2018 by Pete 75C 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Hudson Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 New thread to me, marvellous stuff, just up my street, will be following from now on. Excellent work keep it going! Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Stevie Posted July 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2018 Thanks guys. All much appreciated. I wasn't convinced that there was much point trying to replicate an interior even before I asked the question, but I think I have a plan. I'll make up a little card box about an inch deep, add a few Preiser cafe tables and chairs at the front edge and see how it looks. I think it'll look like a shop window display, as PMP says above. Worth a try though. I also followed the link in Andy Y's post and have ordered a 99p sample of the one-way film to see how that looks. At that price for a sample, what's to lose? I'm betting on "no interior" to win. Re: the staircase, I was vaguely aware that it existed, but photo evidence escapes me. The more I think about it, it would add a little character. Auhagen do something similar (below) and it's readily available, so I'll give that some thought. Thanks again. 80101.jpg There is always an etch for the stairs by langleys http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/shop/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2elangley-models%2eco%2euk%2f&WD=stair&PN=Online_Catalogue_OO_Scale_Accessories_F172_to_F219___NEW_Items__18%2ehtml%23aF174#aF174 fiddly but worth it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted July 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2018 http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p183446724/h49acd864 This pic shows some of the west facing wall that might help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 G'Day Folks The vertical white bars was/is where the clothing store is/was situated. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p183446724/h49acd864 This pic shows some of the west facing wall that might help. Thanks for that. I had a look at some more photos of the suburban side at RailOnline and found a similar shot... http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p183446724/h49acd864#h49acd812 ...is it me, or is the buffet/bar in the far distance signed as "The Lounge"? I'd thought it was "The Europa Lounge" and was going to print signs out accordingly. I have tried to enlarge the image but could use a second opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just did a zoom in on my tablet to it says The Lounge. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted July 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2018 I remember it as 'The Lounge' Waiting there one Sunday afternoon in the mid 70's for a train home, I remember my mum commenting that 'One wouldn't eat in a lounge so it was an incorrect name' I seem to remember 'The Grothole' being more suitable. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) Enlarging http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p183446724/h49acd864#h49acd812, I can see two round symbols (teacup and wineglass), a word that could be "The" and then another word beginning with L, but seemingly not long enough to read "Lounge" in full. I could be wrong. http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p183446724/h49acd864#h49acd864 has the key word obscured by the watermark. Edited July 11, 2018 by eastwestdivide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted July 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) In the 80’s I’m pretty certain it was the Europa Lounge, I’ll ask some others who might have been less ‘wobbly’ in the vicinity. The Europa though thinking a bit harder was west side of the main train shed platform 8 and was a muddy mid green colour to the frontage. At the town end of the suburban platforms (80’s) I recall there being a Smiths and a coffee stall/shop which is what that background structure might have changed to. Edited July 11, 2018 by PMP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Thanks for that. I had a look at some more photos of the suburban side at RailOnline and found a similar shot... http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p183446724/h49acd864#h49acd812 ...is it me, or is the buffet/bar in the far distance signed as "The Lounge"? I'd thought it was "The Europa Lounge" and was going to print signs out accordingly. I have tried to enlarge the image but could use a second opinion. The Europa Lounge was the buffet at the end of Platform 8, Euston Road end, with an entrance from the platform and the west side. I don't remember a buffet on the suburban at all, only a kiosk, so no help to you there I am afraid. By the by, I came across this accidentally whilst browsing. It may have already been posted, so apols if so. I have not copied picture across in case of copyright. Do not be put off by the York Road description, go to the second pic down, which is taken on the platform you are modelling. May be good for the colours? http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/k/kings_cross_york_road/index1.shtml 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 The Europa Lounge was the buffet at the end of Platform 8, Euston Road end, with an entrance from the platform and the west side. I don't remember a buffet on the suburban at all, only a kiosk, so no help to you there I am afraid. Thanks Mike. As with a lot of things on this layout which either never existed or existed elsewhere within the station complex, the buffet will find itself opposite Platforms 14/15. Only a very slight nod towards reality. Looking at that photo (linked above), it will be named "The Lounge". I have a whole host of buffet/bar/Travellers Fare graphics which need to be scaled down and printed. As always, the only problem is finding the time! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted July 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2018 The Europa Lounge was the buffet at the end of Platform 8, Euston Road end, with an entrance from the platform and the west side. I don't remember a buffet on the suburban at all, only a kiosk, so no help to you there I am afraid I wonder if the bar moved along platform 8 over the years? I can recall myself and mates meeting there for practice beers, before heading out on a KKK (Kings Kross Krawl) local pubs, or into town. I can’t recall access from the west side just platform 8, but there was also (80’s-90’s), an executive lounge next door, or very close by. The Europa had a green frontage something between Tamiya XF4 and XF49 and gold sign writing. Floor was natural wood, medium brown, and that describes the beer reasonably accurately too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I wonder if the bar moved along platform 8 over the years? I can recall myself and mates meeting there for practice beers, before heading out on a KKK (Kings Kross Krawl) local pubs, or into town. I can’t recall access from the west side just platform 8, but there was also (80’s-90’s), an executive lounge next door, or very close by. The Europa had a green frontage something between Tamiya XF4 and XF49 and gold sign writing. Floor was natural wood, medium brown, and that describes the beer reasonably accurately too. No, they were two different establishments. The one you are thinking of has had several names, York Tavern, York Bar (often confused with the Duke of York in York Way) and latterly Coopers, before it finally shut in 2008 (I think). It only had an entrance on P8, next to steps down to the lavs, and beyond that the BTP, and indeed the Executive (later First Class) Lounge on the other side.... I too spent many a miserable hour in there waiting to go home on occasion, until far better bars opened in St Pancras and in York Way! It was always grotty, despite several refurbs. but very popular simply because of where it was. The Europa Lounge did not survive as long, as we needed the space in the 1990's when we started to reconfigure the train catering operations and many other things, due to the construction of Platform 0. It had not been competing well with the new Burger King and one or two others recently arrived at the front. It did have the original TF red frontage for many years, and I don't remember a green facade, but then I very rarely used it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted July 14, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2018 No, they were two different establishments. The one you are thinking of has had several names, York Tavern, York Bar (often confused with the Duke of York in York Way) and latterly Coopers, before it finally shut in 2008 (I think). It only had an entrance on P8, next to steps down to the lavs, and beyond that the BTP, and indeed the Executive (later First Class) Lounge on the other side.... I too spent many a miserable hour in there waiting to go home on occasion, until far better bars opened in St Pancras and in York Way! It was always grotty, despite several refurbs. but very popular simply because of where it was. The Europa Lounge did not survive as long, as we needed the space in the 1990's when we started to reconfigure the train catering operations and many other things, due to the construction of Platform 0. It had not been competing well with the new Burger King and one or two others recently arrived at the front. It did have the original TF red frontage for many years, and I don't remember a green facade, but then I very rarely used it! I went through King's Cross almost daily in the 1990s as I worked up the road in King's House, and was trying to remember the names of the catering establishments on Platform 8 - thank you for clarifying things! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempfix Rich Papper Posted August 28, 2018 Tempfix Share Posted August 28, 2018 Hi Pete. There's an article about the widened lines in today's Rail magazine (860) that has a couple of pictures of Kings Cross Suburban. Probably nothing you haven't found in research, but interesting. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Thanks Rich, I'll take a look. Timely, as it happens, because after a seasonal summer lack of interest, the modelling room is getting a spruce-up. I've finally bought a small desk, so I no longer have to cut plastic sheet knelt on the floor (my back will be pleased). The room really was in a right old state and I'm finally organising things. Modelling will resume shortly! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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