muddy water Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) Just read in the prototype railway magazines that the Midland mainline might be having Mk 4 coaches with hst power cars to run services in the future. Also short hst 2+4 and 2+5 units will be used in Cornwall and Scotland. This is something you would normally see on a child’s layout or with someone who has not done their research. Is the real railways doing research through the model press to get ideas on how to run the railways? Edited April 24, 2018 by muddy water Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Just read in the prototype railway magazines that the Midland mainline might be having Mk 4 coaches with hst power cars to run services in the future. Also short hst 2+2, 2+4 and 2+5 units will be used in Cornwall and Scotland. This is something you would normally see on a child’s layout or with someone who has not done their research. Is the real railways doing research through the model press to get ideas on how to run the railways? Cornwall have already run a power-car-only train ................ imagine the derision if you tried to get away with that on a model ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 What doe it do at journey end? Have they installed a return loop at Penzance? Hope they get the wiring correct! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Also short hst 2+2, 2+4 and 2+5 units will be used in Cornwall and Scotland. 2 + 2 really? Where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted April 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) Cornwall have already run a power-car-only train ................ imagine the derision if you tried to get away with that on a model ! 2+0 Power car movements like that have occurred occasionally for as long as there have been HSTs. John Edited April 23, 2018 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I can see this thread started badly and will be on its way to the lcoksmith's after lunch no doubt. But for what its worth the short formed XC refurbished HST is just about the best train for passenger comfort on the network! (IMO) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 I might be wrong on the 2+2, but they have run 2+3, when a 2+4 set had a faulty coach! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted April 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2018 On the other hand whilst passenger trains might be going a bit trainset-like you need a large layout indeed to accommodate the typical modern freight (although there are exceptions). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) On the other hand whilst passenger trains might be going a bit trainset-like you need a large layout indeed to accommodate the typical modern freight (although there are exceptions). .... typical modern freight is an endless stream of articulated bl **dy lorries ........... Edited April 23, 2018 by Wickham Green 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted April 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 23, 2018 .... typical modern freight is an endless stream of articulated bl **dy lorries ........... Making a weird electric-sounding buzz on the train of MMAs that passed by me the other day, but I suppose that makes it a bit more trainset-like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 I think most of the new seats have been taken for a Hornby mk 4 coach! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2+0 Power car movements like that have occurred occasionally for as long as there have been HSTs. John He said ONE power car. As a train. I've seen a pic of it recently, unreal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanders Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 2+2 seems like a lot of engine for the weight. Unless you dragged the trailing power car with the engine off, and just used it like some sort of overly-large DMU, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted April 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) He said ONE power car. As a train. I've seen a pic of it recently, unreal! I saw such a movement a good few years ago, but it's generally avoided in case the move needs to be diverted unexpectedly en-route requiring a reversal. Unless there's a siding available to stuff it in, a single power car can quickly become an obstruction. John Edited April 23, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 There's rumours someone is looking to build a high speed test track in the UK. One big oval, a smaller one inside it and some sidings. Possibly not even rail connected Don't get much more train set than that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 He said ONE power car. As a train. I've seen a pic of it recently, unreal! What is unreal about moving a power car under its own power ( for a short distance) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomJ Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I think the example is referring to an incident in Cornwall when a train derailed on the Newquay branch. The front power car derailed in a rather inaccessible location. So rather than get the passengers off the train they were walked through to the rear power car which then set off back to the next station. So surely the shortest HST in passenger use - a single power car carrying passengers! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted April 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 24, 2018 I think the example is referring to an incident in Cornwall when a train derailed on the Newquay branch. The front power car derailed in a rather inaccessible location. So rather than get the passengers off the train they were walked through to the rear power car which then set off back to the next station. So surely the shortest HST in passenger use - a single power car carrying passengers! Couldn't have been a very busy train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
87023Velocity Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) I think the example is referring to an incident in Cornwall when a train derailed on the Newquay branch. The front power car derailed in a rather inaccessible location. So rather than get the passengers off the train they were walked through to the rear power car which then set off back to the next station. So surely the shortest HST in passenger use - a single power car carrying passengers! I remember reading about that in Rail Magazine, here is a video of the rerailing found on Youtube. Cheers Simon Edited April 24, 2018 by 87023Velocity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
87023Velocity Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) Apologies double post, half asleep still! Cheers Simon Edited April 24, 2018 by 87023Velocity 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 2+2 seems like a lot of engine for the weight. Unless you dragged the trailing power car with the engine off, and just used it like some sort of overly-large DMU, I guess. Hornby and Lima have been doing this for years! Not many people have two motorised power cars in their hst sets! Edited April 24, 2018 by muddy water Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 https://www.flickr.com/photos/42802953@N03/16642574604/in/photolist-rmDxBs-sgFaur-exT2yg-qtWaVP-RJGdWv-9M3WTk-f5CVuR-acMJqM-52LViD-f6diiD-aLg9bM-bPkF7p-W7vfMW-qBQ5BX-nuT5TE-UKhD6b-e5tBGw-nRbFL5-FGj5vG-f5VDew-nzR1Wp-6PLhmT-bGGecn-pwXgH3-81JCL1-aVx3nF-T2gkZm-huaijF-81FtLe-k5ba4t-4qPqKQ-aCvm8Q-e5u7m3-aVt1ce-8jJTWE-7witeh-22P5hxH-sodfxu-rvCEBq-VkYhh2-UTWDL4-aEjP9H-4cbrUS-RNg258-dNt7d5-fqmNm3-9QeeXq-foCuHT-cVBHEb-dWcRe8 This is the new hst parcel service! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 https://www.flickr.com/photos/treflyn/7826667794/in/photolist-czsr9S-cLtb6A-pFBTsR-nuT5TE-q3J7To-Dgv5Yp-cVBHEb-pCAFzG-eW1bHC-hupURe-oc7xr8-6BHb7w-hjFU8B-JUk6YY-pzKdwM-huaijF-g2qWxY-ECvQLp-ofCiqP-fknrG8-dgWHKW-bmu95A-JUk3yS-bVowas-j9QvQ7-cFaRmA-euHymC-fe4ULu-pRxfSb-9VmbQo-66vP9Q-dm9PnR-WuwWyU-cqr2Xd-j9N2o2-gtM7Su-i4kSNY-edXKQL-6BD1xK-rcNW5W-HE4VT3-Ydp1m8-czxzzb-hHhKUk-Kb4cR7-6BHdgh-9z7XC1-ovdQua-X6Bwen-9Gj8Mn Ok I could not find the 2+2 hst, so here is a 2+1 hst instead! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 What length are the short HST in Scotland and the West Country? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Cardiff to Taunton seem to be 2+4 whenever I have seen them, but I don't know about other services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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