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6 hours ago, young37215 said:

Nice work Ian, as you have said Lima coaches can be perfectly acceptable with a little bit of time and effort. The price that the Bachmann coaches seem to fetch now makes it even more attractive to upgrade the Limas.

Rob,

 

I really have no objections to the old Lima coaches. The ones I bought in ~1981 only cost ~£2.50 each at the time (some even less):good:. Yes, there have been improvements in models in the intervening 40 years, but not really that much:nea:. It's only the windows that have markedly improved. I do like some of the new Bachmann models, but fitting Kadees can be a real pain:negative:, and much harder than for the Limas as the NEM pockets are invariably at the wrong height.

 

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1 hour ago, mallaig1983 said:

Nice work there Ian. Certainly look a lot better than the last time I saw them. Really pleased they’ve found a good home.


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Andy,

 

I'm pleased to have given them a new home. They look 'the part' in my rakes of carriages, and I'm pleased to now have more 2nd class than 1st class in my Mk1 rakes:danced:. They'll be getting plenty of 'mileage' around the layout, where I estimate a full circuit run is ~57m or so.

 

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57m is some run! I think a circuit of mine is about 12…

 

Good to see the upgrades to the coaches. I fancy having a go at a Lima mk2c TSOT, but a single coach in a rake of Bachmanns might be a step too far. 

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11 hours ago, 61656 said:

57m is some run! I think a circuit of mine is about 12…

 

Good to see the upgrades to the coaches. I fancy having a go at a Lima mk2c TSOT, but a single coach in a rake of Bachmanns might be a step too far. 

The nice 'long run' was one of the benefits of the 'folded 8' layout that I really liked:good:. Okay, mine is folded twice (ish) as the ramps between the Upper and Lower levels go around the room more than once, and hence the long runs. I can leave 2 trains running on the Mainlines and they only come by, what will eventually be, the scenic Upper Level infrequently:yes:. This will leave me to play operate in the MPD and Brewery Sidings independently:locomotive:. Plus I'll be able to squeeze in a few southbound DMU departures, from the bay platform, to the likes of Leicester and Lichfield.

 

The long run also allows 2 trains to operate on the same 'circuit', as they are sufficiently far apart. I have managed to get 4 trains running, 2 on the NB and 2 on the SB, with me controlling the speed of just 2 trains (one of each circuit) so that the spacing was maintained:heat:. The other 2 trains were left at 'constant speed'. And all of this with a single NCE PowerCab, with power draw maxed out at ~1.25amps. You do need to keep your wits about you, as any derailment or other incident, requires swift intervention to avoid a copy of Harrow & Wealdstone:scare:.

 

I think that a Mk2c conversion is well worth trying. There is little or no internal differences, other than the flat ceiling that is not noticeable through the windows. Externally the roof vents are very different in both location & quantity, and the end doors are painted a lime green instead of a red. Other than that, are there any other visible external differences? Would it look out of place in a set of Bachmanns, probably if they were all Mk2a/b/c. It would blend in better with Bachmann Mk1s (BG, Buffet, TSOs, SKs) or even some air-con Mk2s, where the different window shapes would 'mask' the Lima. If you decide to make a Mk2c, do post details:rtfm:, as it's something I'd want to consider.

 

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Comparing Lima & Bachmann Models

 

To put this to the 'test':scratch_one-s_head_mini:, the following video shows a Class 47 passing by and hauling a rake of Mk2b coaches (with the obligatory Mk1 catering vehicle). The Mk2b are mostly Lima, with my usual enhancements:good:, but there are a few Bachmann interlopers:pleasantry: ...

 

 

I remain quite pleased with the Lima models, especially considering the considerable cost saving over the Bachmann equivalents. What are your thoughts?

 

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The only oddity I could see in the video is the buffet runs slightly higher than the rest of the coaches. Other than that I would have to work hard to identify the differing brands that make up the consist as they blend together quite happily.

 

The one thing I did notice was a lack of passengers; unless you are figuring on running ECS movements only it should not be to much of a challenge to add passengers. Ebay sells plenty of Chinese produced figures for a modest cost, 200 should cost less than £20. The figures are a bit cheap and cheerful but hidden away in a coach it is hard work to notice, e.g.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224365029862?hash=item343d32a9e6:g:CX8AAOSw4XRgN5yo&var=523151905837

 

  

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On 15/06/2021 at 06:34, young37215 said:

The only oddity I could see in the video is the buffet runs slightly higher than the rest of the coaches

Rob,

 

I must admit I noticed that too. I can only put that down to my modifications to fit commonwealth bogies in place of the incorrect B1s. I'll have to see if I can lower the body about a millimetre.

 

On 15/06/2021 at 06:34, young37215 said:

The one thing I did notice was a lack of passengers; unless you are figuring on running ECS movements only it should not be to much of a challenge to add passengers.

This is one issue that I'm not really sure about. It's not something I had seriously considered, although I do own a Lima 2-car Class 101 that the previous owner had added a few passengers and it does look good. I had originally thought that passengers were only 'necessary' if you had lighting inside the coaches.

 

I might have to revisit this topic in the future, with your eBay link in mind!

 

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11 hours ago, ISW said:

This is one issue that I'm not really sure about. It's not something I had seriously considered, although I do own a Lima 2-car Class 101 that the previous owner had added a few passengers and it does look good. I had originally thought that passengers were only 'necessary' if you had lighting inside the coaches.

 

I might have to revisit this topic in the future, with your eBay link in mind!

 

Well worth the modest effort in my opinion, I am very much aware of the handful of coaches that dont have passengers in them.

 

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3 hours ago, young37215 said:

Well worth the modest effort in my opinion, I am very much aware of the handful of coaches that dont have passengers in them.

Rob,

 

Is there any 'process' to the selection of 'passengers' and/or their seating location, or it is just better to simply toss/throw a few passengers and see where they land? (the method some gardeners use to place plants).

 

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1 hour ago, ISW said:

Rob,

 

Is there any 'process' to the selection of 'passengers' and/or their seating location, or it is just better to simply toss/throw a few passengers and see where they land? (the method some gardeners use to place plants).

 

Ian

Absolutely random although upon review I probably added too many people for prototypical west highland train loadings!

 

Its also worth looking at the colour of tables in addition to the work you have done on interiors. The different colours I have used create an interesting contrast between trains. 

 

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8 hours ago, young37215 said:

Absolutely random although upon review I probably added too many people for prototypical west highland train loadings!

 

Its also worth looking at the colour of tables in addition to the work you have done on interiors. The different colours I have used create an interesting contrast between trains.

Rob,

 

As I suspected, just be totally random in the placement of 'passengers'. Will do.

 

When I painted the interior of Lima Open Mk2b carriages, I painted the tables in the same colour as the seating, as that's what my memory told me. Blue in 2nd class, and orange in 1st. I'll take a look through my Mk2 carriage book to check / verify. If I've got the 'roof off' to place passengers, it makes sense to take the opportunity to paint the tables in the 'correct' colour. I don't have any Lima Mk1 open stock, where I would have done off-white melamine colour for the tables (I did that in my Lima buffets though).

 

I'll be skipping passengers in the Airfix Mk2ds, as the windows are tinted to the extent that you can't see much through them. I did already paint the interior seating blue / orange back in ~1982.

 

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Another Lima Coach Fettled

 

I know that I really should be getting on with weathering of the track on my layout:nea:, but I'm concerned that my total lack of experience with an airbrush, acrylic paints, and the hot weather will combine to produce some truly awful results; and that's only on the 'test panel'.:negative: 

 

So here we go with another coach fettling:danced:, this time a Lima Mk2f , a model I didn't even realise they'd made. It's amazing what you find browsing on TheBay.:read:

 

It's getting all my usual treatments; SE Finecast windows (a packet I bought years back as it was cheap but for which I had no use at the time), painted interior, corrected vestibule ends (toilet area), passengers (after some proding by Rob), end door painted, coach end transfers (OHLE & 'C1'), and Kadee couplings.

 

Here is some photos of progress with the interior; SE Finecast windows fitted, interior painted, passengers added, and vestibule area corrected:

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I wanted to simply leave the existing Lima 'window glazing', but it's too 'frosted' and obscures the interior:angry:. It was therefore carefully 'carved' to keep the retaining lugs and enough at each end to stop the interior moulding moving around (and provide the obscured glazing for the toilet windows):

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Another Lima Coach Fettling Completed

 

Following re-assembly, installation of Kadee couplings (#156 type), and placement of transfers the Lima Mk2f is complete:good:. Although I don't have any of the newer Hornby and/or Bachmann Mk2 airconditioned coaches for compariosn (my mortgage wouldn't stretch that far:no2:), I think these old Lima Mk2 coaches are quite acceptable once a little, cheap, fettling has been done to them:yes:.

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Hello Ian,

Apologies that I've not looked in for a while. Very nice work with the coaches, they have come up really well with the work you have done. It's always nice to see what people are doing with these older models and just up my street! Must admit I'm guilty of not having passengers in my own "fleet" at the moment.

 

You commented regarding doing some Mk2c coaches; not sure how far you are wanting to go but the Lavatory windows in these should be of the squared type with a vent above (similar to those in air-con stock) as per this Flickr link:

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Not impossible to modify from a Mk2b but difficult if you don't want to undertake a full repaint I guess?

 

Regards,

Martyn.

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11 hours ago, Signaller69 said:

Hello Ian,

Apologies that I've not looked in for a while. Very nice work with the coaches, they have come up really well with the work you have done. It's always nice to see what people are doing with these older models and just up my street! Must admit I'm guilty of not having passengers in my own "fleet" at the moment.

 

You commented regarding doing some Mk2c coaches; not sure how far you are wanting to go but the Lavatory windows in these should be of the squared type with a vent above (similar to those in air-con stock) as per this Flickr link:

Mk2C BFK M17130

 

Not impossible to modify from a Mk2b but difficult if you don't want to undertake a full repaint I guess?

 

Regards,

Martyn.

Martyn,

 

Glad to hear you liked my coach 'fettling', complete with passengers. Having put passengers in 1 coach, I'll have to see whether I'll go back and add passengers to some other coaches in due course.

 

I've been watching your recent postings of Hornby Class 25 modifications with interest, as I have pair that could do with the same treatment. I'd be adding more weight at the same time to enable them to pull more than their own weight up my gradients.

 

The Mk2c conversion is maybe more difficult that I first imagined. I must have seen hundreds of Mk2c and never noticed the different toilet windows! I looked back through my 'BR Mark 2 Coaches' book (Micheal Harris), and not only has he got the 1978 Exeter photo description wrong on page 62 (it says Mk2b nearest, ahead of a Mk2c, when the nearest one is clearly a Mk2 or 2a, and the next one is a Mk2b, plus Mk2c were almost exclusively on the WCML at that time), but all the photos of Mk2c in the book are on the non-lavatory side. At least the Diagrams show the different toilet window. The same Diagrams also highlight the different roof vents (number, shape and location). Conversion of a Lima Mk2b to a Mk2c suddenly looks a lot harder. And, yes, it would probably involve a re-paint to boot.

 

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34 minutes ago, ISW said:

I must have seen hundreds of Mk2c and never noticed the different toilet windows!

 

all the photos of Mk2c in the book are on the non-lavatory side.

 

Ian,

I hadn't noticed until comparitively recently either so you're not alone!

 

When searching the web for a photo to link, it took me a while to find one showing the lav side, you'd think it would be a 50/50 chance on average, but it seems not!:dontknow:

 

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