RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2019 All I can say is that these look really impressive. Well done to everyone involved. I still can't decide between which ones to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Afternoon all, 66_groupshot2.jpg We are very excited to show you the latest Class 66 samples which show almost all of the liveries we are producing. We hope you agree that the quality of painting and printing on these is amazing and captures livery elements from the largest logo down to the smallest safety signs. H4-66-001_1.jpg H4-66-006_1.jpg H4-66-010_1.jpg H4-66-012_1.jpg H4-66-014_1.jpg H4-66-022_1.jpg H4-66-024_1.jpg H4-66-029_1.jpg H4-66-031_1.jpg H4-66-032_1.jpg There are still a couple of tweaks to a small number of paint colours and prints but on the whole this is how they will arrive. The next samples will have a fully working PCB which will allow us to show you the lighting modes on all types of control as well as the finished sounds with the updated speaker. All 32 versions are still available to order on THIS page of our website. As always let us know what you think. Cheers, Dave Now we have a choice on a Class 66. I suggest Bachmann & Hornby are rattled by this!! The Choice it seems is: 1/ Hattons Class 66 with some unique features and sounds at in my opinion a reasonable price. 2/ Bachmann Class 66 which has the old tooling and minimal features (Unless I have missed the announcements) 3/ Hornby (Old Lima) very old tooling in there Rail Road range, the only thing in its favour is its 'Cheap' With all the announcements of duplicated models we are entering interesting times, sadly Hornby & Bachmann have taken their eye off the ball and let the smaller guys in. I hope these guys will listen & Learn, dont keep jacking the prices up and offer nothing in return. Charlie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2019 They look fantastic. I have a few in order and can’t wait to get my hands on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBRf66701 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Very nice indeed, Is it just me or is the GBRf orange a little dark. Otherwise super looking model. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2019 Now we have a choice on a Class 66. I suggest Bachmann & Hornby are rattled by this!! The Choice it seems is: 1/ Hattons Class 66 with some unique features and sounds at in my opinion a reasonable price. 2/ Bachmann Class 66 which has the old tooling and minimal features (Unless I have missed the announcements) 3/ Hornby (Old Lima) very old tooling in there Rail Road range, the only thing in its favour is its 'Cheap' With all the announcements of duplicated models we are entering interesting times, sadly Hornby & Bachmann have taken their eye off the ball and let the smaller guys in. I hope these guys will listen & Learn, dont keep jacking the prices up and offer nothing in return. Charlie It may be the only thing in its favour, but it may be all that it needs to sell well. (I can't justify to myself what Hattons want for what is no doubt a very nice model, but at what Hornby are charging I quite fancy the BR large logo one for novelty value). Maybe Bachmann are the ones who will lose out, with their model sitting in the middle between 'cheap and cheerful' and high detailed for the 'discerning' modeller. Unless it turns out that Hattons drop an enormous clanger in their model in some way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I've been reading snippets of this forum where appropriate for me, for a while. I was a teenage fan 45 years ago and am sort-of re-starting in the hobby, but am new on the site. Hattons was always my 'go to' shop, being born a 'Scouser', when I was considerably younger, when it was run by Mr Hatton, with his pipe, and in the older shop. My dad used to park in the side roads opposite and we'd cross Smithdown Road to browse .... How things have changed ... certainly the detail, quality and choice of models available, across almost all ages / eras. Now Hattons have this fantastic model made available for the enthusiast. There's been mention of a few things and doubtless the rivet-counters - used to be one myself!! - will find things to comment on, but criticism should be constructive, unless really necessary. From what I see here, it's a superb effort - from me, I definitely give a 'hat's off and well done' to Hattons. I already have a Bachmann Freightliner (single bogie pick-up) Class 66, which apart from the obvious potential for stalling over points, is superb. It does appear this model moves the game on a little further. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2019 It certainly looks very nice, it’s going to be mighty hard to resist getting one for a rebuild. I just found a photo of 66002 in April 1999 (so just in period for me) working on china clay. Clearly it needs some modification from the 66005 model that is closest, moving lifting eyes, adding a flush horn grill and painting the grills EWS red.) Just need to find out how hard it is going to be to convert to P4, I live in hope they follow the lead of Accurascale and SLW and make the job easy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarr40 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Loving the large logo, but it looks like the multiple working socket is the wrong colour. Shouldn’t this be light orange? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidprentice Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Looks very good indeed - one question would be the grille on the roof appears to be bent or otherwise poorly fitted in many of the samples? Is this something to fix/worry about, or is it just a rush job by the factory and the focus of these samples is the paint job? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Don’t know if this has been mentioned before but are the name plates coming already fitted or separately? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2019 Now we have a choice on a Class 66. I suggest Bachmann & Hornby are rattled by this!! The Choice it seems is: 1/ Hattons Class 66 with some unique features and sounds at in my opinion a reasonable price. 2/ Bachmann Class 66 which has the old tooling and minimal features (Unless I have missed the announcements) 3/ Hornby (Old Lima) very old tooling in there Rail Road range, the only thing in its favour is its 'Cheap' With all the announcements of duplicated models we are entering interesting times, sadly Hornby & Bachmann have taken their eye off the ball and let the smaller guys in. I hope these guys will listen & Learn, dont keep jacking the prices up and offer nothing in return. Charlie I don’t think so. Hornby are shrewdly bringing theirs out at about half the price of the Hattons one . It’s a different market completely from someone that wants the absolute High Fidelity Model , which would be the Hattons one . If anything it’s Bachmann that’ll get squeezed out. They know that which is why the price has dropped by £25 . Still don’t think it’s enough though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2019 I don’t think so. Hornby are shrewdly bringing theirs out at about half the price of the Hattons one . It’s a different market completely from someone that wants the absolute High Fidelity Model , which would be the Hattons one . If anything it’s Bachmann that’ll get squeezed out. They know that which is why the price has dropped by £25 . Still don’t think it’s enough though! And for the younger modeller (these days perhaps more likely to be running on a parent or grandparent's layout?), the more robust nature of the cheaper option is also somewhat useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Thats a serious outlay of liveries! Doesn't the original wi-pac light cluster look overscale? Or perhaps this is known and the black printing shall be reduced. The comment about GB Railfreight orange being too dark, I would disagree and instead it is the yellow warning which is too lemony. Needs a warmer choice. See the excellent Carl Watson site, of ex-works re-paints: http://www.carlswatson.com/Trains/Galleries%202015/Galleries%20201504/20150416ArlingtonEastleighWorks/eastleighworks16thapril20152.html http://www.carlswatson.com/Trains/Galleries%202015/Galleries%20201501/20150107ArlingtonEastleighWorks/eastleighworks7thjanuary20153.html Does not seem too much to correct, but I won't be ordering until production models are shown, just in-case. Hobby after all, would be nice to have some detailed 66s, but I can equally pay for new teak decks on the yacht.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox321 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 They look amazing Dave. Well done!! Personally though I feel that the etched see-through grilles don't capture the effect correctly and therefore is the only let down. It's just my opinion. It won't stop me from buying atleast one. Maybe it's the angle, but from the current images it's literally looking like regular square mesh minus the corrugated effect. Would ditto the comments on the really good job, but would echo the comments on the look of the side etch, unless it is just the photos (on your website). Some of the samples also seem to have a bit of trouble with the top etches being secured properly. My only other queries would be on the First Barbie Livery - is the blue/purple correct (again it may be the photos), and some of the pink/white lines, where they join are printed slightly off. But on the whole - looking really good. Best Regards, C. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2019 i hope the later variation side windows (as on 301 and 727) are made a bit finer, they look just 'wrong' from the angle of the photos cant put my finger on the front section looking too big or the rear section looking too small but the internal bit between them seems to exaggerate the thickness of the complete glazing unit 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) as for the GBRf orange/yellow there are 2 different variations as seen here with the doyen of Gb's fleet in original livery (where you can barely see the yellow) next to europorte livery 66752 with easily discernible yellow end https://flic.kr/p/29YEPic and here is model subject 66704 in original livery and the yellow goes right up to the windscreen as per the model and easily discernible compared to my pic of 701 not my pic https://flic.kr/p/TPGTJb Edited January 28, 2019 by big jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Thats a serious outlay of liveries! Doesn't the original wi-pac light cluster look overscale? Or perhaps this is known and the black printing shall be reduced. The comment about GB Railfreight orange being too dark, I would disagree and instead it is the yellow warning which is too lemony. Needs a warmer choice. See the excellent Carl Watson site, of ex-works re-paints: http://www.carlswatson.com/Trains/Galleries%202015/Galleries%20201504/20150416ArlingtonEastleighWorks/eastleighworks16thapril20152.html http://www.carlswatson.com/Trains/Galleries%202015/Galleries%20201501/20150107ArlingtonEastleighWorks/eastleighworks7thjanuary20153.html Does not seem too much to correct, but I won't be ordering until production models are shown, just in-case. Hobby after all, would be nice to have some detailed 66s, but I can equally pay for new teak decks on the yacht.... Screenshot 2019-01-28 at 19.02.08.png Looks excellent. It would be nice if the early Wipacs had the colour of the lens already painted on so to mimic the prototype lenses as seen in these pictures when the light is off. Easy enough to paint on but as this is the ultimate 66 it would be nice if it was correct out the box! Similarly the second style as per 66621 would look better with white lenses. Other than that it all looks rather good and I'm wondering how I will choose which one to get first ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I don’t think so. Hornby are shrewdly bringing theirs out at about half the price of the Hattons one . It’s a different market completely from someone that wants the absolute High Fidelity Model , which would be the Hattons one . If anything it’s Bachmann that’ll get squeezed out. They know that which is why the price has dropped by £25 . Still don’t think it’s enough though! I agree, but Hornby could have retooled the Lima model with the new coupling, working directional lights & some nicer handrails etc then they could have been still way cheaper than Bachmann with an acceptable model. Come on Hornby 'WAKE UP' bring out a Class 37 to match your Class 56 then your profits will go up. Charlie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Does not seem too much to correct, but I won't be ordering until production models are shown, just in-case. Hobby after all, would be nice to have some detailed 66s, but I can equally pay for new teak decks on the yacht.... Screenshot 2019-01-28 at 19.02.08.png Interesting model vs prototype picture there - I'm looking specifically at the distance between the bottom of the windscreens and the top of the warning panel/handrail - anyone else see it??? Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2019 without being totally anal about minor things but GBRf 66789 doesnt have enough lifting lugs, the chassis looks to be the same on all autocoupler fitted models with a single lifting lug opposite the autocoupler the real thing retains 4 lifting lugs both ends 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) Doesn't the original wi-pac light cluster look overscale? They do look to be too chunky - likewise the top headlight sticks out too far . One thing thats become obvious seeing these painted samples is the 'roots' that the light clusters sit on (the vertical bits with the numbers , and , in the case of the EWS locos, the OHLE warning flashes on) are not tall enough - suggesting they're either not thick enough , or the negative rake of the lower cab front is wrong - i think it may be the former , and therefore the wipacs have been made chunkier to compensate. Saying all that , show me one in CEMEX or early Bardon Aggregates livery and I'd get the wallet out! Jon Edited January 28, 2019 by 43179 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) i hope the later variation side windows (as on 301 and 727) are made a bit finer, they look just 'wrong' from the angle of the photos cant put my finger on the front section looking too big or the rear section looking too small but the internal bit between them seems to exaggerate the thickness of the complete glazing unit Agreed. Difficult to tell from the angle of the photos, and although these style of window-frames do appear quite chunky on the prototype I too think something is just a little too heavy-looking here - either the thickness of the frame in general or/and the vertical central pillar; or the rear/inner-most pane is too recessed in relation to the front/outer-most pane, or perhaps a bit of both? It doesn't help either that the frames have been moulded as part of the bodyshell as opposed to the one-piece glazing units of Bachmann's model, which unfortunately means there is a significant 'fishbowl' effect on the cabside glazing of the Hatton's windows compared with Bachmann's efforts. Additionally, on the design incorporating the original window frames and the shape of the small black-surround cabside window pane still doesn't look as though it has been altered from the first sample? On a positive note, the silver frames do look a lot better on the earlier frame type now that they have been painted silver... As mentioned much earlier in this topic, I do believe that Bachmann have the glazing absolutely spot-on with their one-piece, virtually flush-glazed window assemblies. Really sad to say that the way that Hatton's have executed the windows appears to be a backward step. Just my viewpoint of course, I understand that others may vary... Edited January 29, 2019 by YesTor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br60066 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Agreed. Difficult to tell from the angle of the photos, and although these style of window-frames do appear quite chunky on the prototype I too think something is just a little too heavy-looking here - either the thickness of the frame in general or/and the vertical central pillar; or the rear/inner-most pane is too recessed in relation to the front/outer-most pane, or perhaps a bit of both? It doesn't help either that the frames have been moulded as part of the bodyshell as opposed to the one-piece glazing units of Bachmann's model, which unfortunately means there is a slight 'fishbowl' effect on the cabside glazing of the Hatton's windows. Additionally, on the design incorporating the original window frames and the shape of the small black-surround cabside window pane still doesn't look as though it has been altered from the first sample? On a positive note, the silver frames do look a lot better on the earlier frame type now that they have been painted silver... 66502 FLb.jpg As mentioned much earlier in this topic, I do believe that Bachmann have the glazing absolutely spot-on with their one-piece, virtually flush-glazed window assemblies. Really sad to say that the way that Hatton's have executed the windows appears to be a backward step. Just my viewpoint of course, I understand that others may vary... Hopefully this will be less noticeable in the flesh and it’s just the close up shots that give it that slightly off effect Edited January 29, 2019 by Br60066 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) There is something not quite right about the EWS liveried examples... firstly the font used for the bodyside EWS is not quite heavy enough, and also the positioning of the gold band appears very, very slightly too low... And while not livery-related but applies to all the early examples and the aforementioned 'chunky' WIPACs appear far more obvious on the black-painted examples... Check height of gold band from cantrail level... https://www.flickr.com/photos/f_stop13/16294797305/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/antonov225/40338293071/ That said, viewing your side-on shots and the height/width of the gold band appears to be about right? Maybe it's the angled shot above that gives the wrong illusion? Hard to say from where I am sitting, but maybe worth a look...? And secondly, I realize that these are perhaps hand-finished samples, but so many manufacturers seem to get into a pickle with factory-fitted nameplates. It would be so much nicer if plates could be supplied separately in a bag... The cabside mirrors do look quite nice though, although the oversized WIPACs really do seem quite apparent here... or perhaps they look better when viewing lifesize, difficult to be certain... Edited January 29, 2019 by YesTor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 The later box style lights perhaps look a little 'hollow' too. I wonder if a more flush fit is achievable...? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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