RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted September 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: Any one had one of these then in there mail........ Hello This is an email to let you know that the following item has been cancelled from production, and, as you requested an email notification of its arrival, thought you would like to know that it is not now expected to be released. Hattons Originals H4-66-032-S, which you can see at http://www.hattons.co.uk/stockdetail.aspx?SID=383383 We are unsure of the specific reason for the cancellation, and will try to keep its descriptive text updated to provide any information which the manufacturer releases. You will remain signed-up for notification – so if it is reinstated and delivered then you will receive a notification. We apologise for any inconvenience this has caused. Regards Hatton's Model Railways 17 Montague Road Widnes WA8 8FZ 0151 733 3655 But there is 8 in stock according to that link... Roy 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: Any one had one of these then in there mail........ Hello This is an email to let you know that the following item has been cancelled from production, and, as you requested an email notification of its arrival, thought you would like to know that it is not now expected to be released. Hattons Originals H4-66-032-S, which you can see at http://www.hattons.co.uk/stockdetail.aspx?SID=383383 We are unsure of the specific reason for the cancellation, and will try to keep its descriptive text updated to provide any information which the manufacturer releases. You will remain signed-up for notification – so if it is reinstated and delivered then you will receive a notification. We apologise for any inconvenience this has caused. Regards Hatton's Model Railways 17 Montague Road Widnes WA8 8FZ 0151 733 3655 You may have been spammed thus check the email address for anything looking untoward, I'm on Hattons mailing list & never received this email. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, classy52 said: You may have been spammed thus check the email address for anything looking untoward, I'm on Hattons mailing list & never received this email. It's probably that he has it on his wishlist. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, TomScrut said: It's probably that he has it on his wishlist. ...yes there is that, maybe Eric can confirm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: I have it,all of my Hattons 66 ones have been delivered,and i get more mail from Hattons than my kids...... It reads production has been cancelled?? Well it's probably that they have made them all and they are telling people there won't be any more. Seems strange nonetheless 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted September 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: Any one had one of these then in there mail........ Hello This is an email to let you know that the following item has been cancelled from production, and, as you requested an email notification of its arrival, thought you would like to know that it is not now expected to be released. Hattons Originals H4-66-032-S, which you can see at http://www.hattons.co.uk/stockdetail.aspx?SID=383383 We are unsure of the specific reason for the cancellation, and will try to keep its descriptive text updated to provide any information which the manufacturer releases. You will remain signed-up for notification – so if it is reinstated and delivered then you will receive a notification. We apologise for any inconvenience this has caused. Regards Hatton's Model Railways 17 Montague Road Widnes WA8 8FZ 0151 733 3655 It seems even odder given that model is shown as in stock. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted September 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: Any one had one of these then in there mail........ Hello This is an email to let you know that the following item has been cancelled from production, and, as you requested an email notification of its arrival, thought you would like to know that it is not now expected to be released. Hattons Originals H4-66-032-S, which you can see at http://www.hattons.co.uk/stockdetail.aspx?SID=383383 We are unsure of the specific reason for the cancellation, and will try to keep its descriptive text updated to provide any information which the manufacturer releases. You will remain signed-up for notification – so if it is reinstated and delivered then you will receive a notification. We apologise for any inconvenience this has caused. Regards Hatton's Model Railways 17 Montague Road Widnes WA8 8FZ 0151 733 3655 It seems even odder given that model is shown as in stock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 This is a bit cheeky, great to look at and if you get a good one then great, but sort your QC out and engage with us about what you're doing to fix it, how can it be "the best" with all the problems? 7 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2020 I believe the Murphy Models CIE/Irish Rail121 class locomotive also has rotating axleboxes. Does anyone know if their design differs from the Hattons 66 and if so in what way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, SouthernMafia said: This is a bit cheeky, great to look at and if you get a good one then great, but sort your QC out and engage with us about what you're doing to fix it, how can it be "the best" with all the problems? In fairness I think it's the only brand new tooling release I am going to have this year. Having said that, I do have 4 of them.... Seems ridiculous that if I vote that's the only one I can vote for with first hand experience when next year there will be a few to choose from! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium spamcan61 Posted October 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 30/09/2020 at 19:20, TomScrut said: Well it's probably that they have made them all and they are telling people there won't be any more. Seems strange nonetheless Well maybe, but their statement "We are unsure of the specific reason for the cancellation, and will try to keep its descriptive text updated to provide any information which the manufacturer releases. You will remain signed-up for notification – so if it is reinstated and delivered then you will receive a notification" reads like the manufacturer has stopped making them for some reason Hattons don't know. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: I believe the Murphy Models CIE/Irish Rail121 class locomotive also has rotating axleboxes. Does anyone know if their design differs from the Hattons 66 and if so in what way? I asked about those in their specific thread on how the rotating AB's were implemented but nobody responded, maybe they just didn't want to go there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, SouthernMafia said: This is a bit cheeky, great to look at and if you get a good one then great, but sort your QC out and engage with us about what you're doing to fix it, how can it be "the best" with all the problems? Yes very cheeky! Obviously there’s not a category for Best Locomotive Kit?! Or worst QC and customer communication! Edited October 2, 2020 by Global 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted October 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 2, 2020 Fixed properly it runs great,it looks the part and pulls and sounds the mutts nuts with the full package,since this is Hattons thread you would think there would be the odd comment other than buy our products on you tube,if i was not up to reaxleing these i would still buy them over the Bachmann one as its way beyond that.If you cannot remove the axle box cap and shorten it ,pop it back with a dot of glue then you should not have electric trains,some of the stuff on these is way out of proportion. Its a good model that can be made great with a little work. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted October 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 3, 2020 Is it nominated in the kit built category? Asking for a friend! 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: Fixed properly it runs great,it looks the part and pulls and sounds the mutts nuts with the full package,since this is Hattons thread you would think there would be the odd comment other than buy our products on you tube,if i was not up to reaxleing these i would still buy them over the Bachmann one as its way beyond that.If you cannot ,pop it remove the axle box cap and shorten itback with a dot of glue then you should not have electric trains,some of the stuff on these is way out of proportion. Its a good model that can be made great with a little work. So basically what your saying is that for instance IF I had an Arthritic condition or Nerve damage in my hands and I wasn't able to "remove, shorten and refit" that I should not have Model Electric Trains? I suffer with a compressed Nerve in my spine so does that mean I shouldn't ride my BIke or Drive my Car? Or maybe because I can't cook I shouldn't eat food? Or maybe because I suffer from Dyslexia, I shouldn't try Writing? What utter rubbish. Quotes like that are completely unnecessary and are offensive as not everyone has the ability to do such things but would like to. Yes as "Modellers" some of us do have the ability to fix things ourselves and to be honest it feels like we take this ability for granted. I've lost count the amount of times I have fixed a Bike for someone as they couldn't but I would never say to them " you shouldn't be riding it if you cant fix it yourself" This kind of attitude or argument serves no purpose. My 6 year old has broken a few things so next time it happens shall I tell him the same? Cheers Trailrage Edited October 3, 2020 by TRAILRAGE filth flarn filth 1 6 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 70000 Britannia Posted October 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2020 On 30/09/2020 at 18:23, Roy Langridge said: But there is 8 in stock according to that link... Roy I note that on some versions it says ‘pre-order sold out’ but then says e.g. ‘2 in stock’. The pre-order statement seems irrelevant. Is it that the stock items are previous sales returned - in that case have they been defect resolved? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 We’ve gone round in a circle with this model many times . My conclusion is -— there are those that are willing to completely reengineer the design to get the ultimate shed including glueing , milling , lathing to get a top shed . And those like me that say “ xxxx that - should have been sorted at the design stage “. But now the wall of silence is more worrying than the faults . Ignore them and try and get votes for model of the year. I want a hattons YOB crane when it comes out . I’ll be watching the reviews carefully first 1 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2020 On 02/10/2020 at 11:55, Colin_McLeod said: I believe the Murphy Models CIE/Irish Rail121 class locomotive also has rotating axleboxes. Does anyone know if their design differs from the Hattons 66 and if so in what way? On 02/10/2020 at 12:24, classy52 said: I asked about those in their specific thread on how the rotating AB's were implemented but nobody responded, maybe they just didn't want to go there? My 121 has now arrived so I'll take a close look during the week. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 4 hours ago, 70000 Britannia said: I note that on some versions it says ‘pre-order sold out’ but then says e.g. ‘2 in stock’. The pre-order statement seems irrelevant. Is it that the stock items are previous sales returned - in that case have they been defect resolved? On 24/09/2020 at 12:48, classy52 said: If anyone is considering buying the DCC Sound fitted Class 66 variants which are now available to purchase I have been advised by Hattons when I spoke to them they are not customer returns, just thought this may be useful info in case you were in two minds about it. On 24/09/2020 at 13:48, classy52 said: No idea, but I was informed the DCC Sound versions currently available are either cancelled pre-orders or straight from the factory and reiterate they are not customer returns or retro-fitted. Fyi... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted October 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2020 All of the above is self-explanatory - either x number were freed up by cancelled orders from batch one (hence are now available to sell) or they have received a second batch of new build. Logically why would Hattons still allow you to pre-order something that is now available for immediate delivery? Possibly the only way around keeping a pre-orders option on the system for processing future batches is mark it sold out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Roy Langridge Posted October 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) On 02/10/2020 at 13:39, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: If you cannot remove the axle box cap and shorten it ,pop it back with a dot of glue then you should not have electric trains... Most selfish post of the year so far award goes to... Not everybody has that level of ability, for you to suggest that they should not have electric trains beggars belief. And, yes, I could fix mine now, but quite probably not in a while. Roy Edited October 4, 2020 by Roy Langridge 2 17 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted October 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) On 04/10/2020 at 09:26, Colin_McLeod said: My 121 has now arrived so I'll take a close look during the week. Here are pictures of the rotating axle boxes on the Murphy Models CIE/Irish Rail 121 class. They appear to be a plastic extension to the metal axle but I can't see exactly how they are attached. The plastic extension is a sloppy fit in the hole in the bogie side frame so there is no issue of the axle boxes causing the loco to run untrue. I am a believer that if something is not broken, then don't fix it so have refrained from dismantling the loco to see more. Edited October 5, 2020 by Colin_McLeod Added photographs 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2020 20 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said: Here are pictures of the rotating axle boxes on the Murphy Models CIE/Irish Rail 121 class. They appear to be a plastic extension to the metal axle but I can't see exactly how they are attached. The plastic extension is a sloppy fit in the hole in the bogie side frame so there is no issue of the axle boxes causing the loco to run untrue. I am a believer that if something is not broken, then don't fix it so have refrained from dismantling the loco to see more. Looks to be a similar concept but with a bigger diameter and, as you say the hole in the frame is bigger, no rubbing issues. All in all, it suggests a redesign of the Hattons 66 could be quite simple and limited in impact. Roy 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 6, 2020 One thing in favour of the MM loco is that it's only a 2-axle bogie. It does not need extra sideplay in the axles when compared to a 3-axle unit 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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