RMweb Premium 70000 Britannia Posted November 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 11:34, dave56 said: So at the reduced price I bit the bullet and brought a new class 66 in DB red. Everything is good apart from the axle boxes, no matter how many times I tried to glue the central boxes on each bogie, they would keep on displacing. The inner and outside axles were fine after a touch of super glue on two of them which were loose. I followed what others suggested and cut the backs off and glued in place , everything is now working perfectly and the the loco is extremely smooth. On a positive note, there are some good ones available. I took delivery of £119 FL 66957 yesterday. Was very apprehensive when opening the box. Locomotive was pristine, all ABs were centred correctly, all wheels grounded on flat surface, and test run was fine - no wobble!! Perhaps I've been fortunate. Certainly not smug, just relieved - as I may get another. No doubt the ABs will work loose at some point. Is there a stock part number for them? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) On 24/11/2020 at 08:53, Johnfromoz said: If your puzzled. Look at it this way. Despite the fixes discussed here I am unconvinced that in the long (That is long term) they will not work themselves loose due to poor engineering design (short axles) . I have no desire to be chasing down tiny axle box caps around the layout in future years, no doubt long after the spares become unavailable. As I said before, your view may differ. I agree. I have joined the fixed axlebox group for my EWS and Freightliner models, as like you, I don't consider any of the fixes to be long term solutions. The problem is that the locating spigot at the axle end, is too short to allow a tight and straight fit into the axlebox shaft. As the axleboxes move within the bogie sideframe, they are susceptible to pressure when fully extended. Ideally the spigot needs to be about 4mm or more and the locating hole should be a tighter fit. I'd also prefer a cast metal axlebox and locating shaft. Edited November 25, 2020 by rembrow Spelling 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I knew my luck would have to run out at my 3rd 66 loco, as previously mentioned purchased 66783 Biffa (full price) with sound brand new but unfortunately it may have to go back, what's worse it was the last one so won't be a direct swap with another new one. Anyway, issues as follows; No.1 end cab light doesn't come on but has the switching on sound, daytime/night-time running lights ok No.2 end cab light works with sound, daytime running lights ok but night-time running lights don't work as intended (headlight doesn't come on, just the 3 markers). Underbody switches checked and contrary to instructions there are only 2 and not 3 switches and are set correctly. I haven't taken the body off to check the main switches on the board but would think if these weren't set correctly at the factory none of the lighting/cab lighting functions would work unless I'm mistaken and corrected by someone who knows what K1 to K6 control and whether my issues above would be caused by these not being set correctly. Any advice or feedback is most welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 6 hours ago, classy52 said: I haven't taken the body off to check the main switches on the board but would think if these weren't set correctly at the factory none of the lighting/cab lighting functions would work unless I'm mistaken and corrected by someone who knows what K1 to K6 control and whether my issues above would be caused by these not being set correctly. Any advice or feedback is most welcome. I've three factory-fitted sound models and none of the inside switches were set correctly straight out of the box. So it might just be worth looking inside before returning... Al 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) Looks like some are starting to fully sell out... (in all forms DC, DCC and Sound) 66-001 shows 2 left EWS 66005 (more than 10 a few days back) 66-015 66513 Freightliner sold out A quick sort on their site shows Biffa, Kingmoor, Royal Scotsman and Freightliner ones seem to be at the lower end of stock too. in absence of my annual big spend at Warley, ive bought 66’s instead. This weekend i’ll start checking the rather large box i have. Edited November 26, 2020 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 6 hours ago, YesTor said: I've three factory-fitted sound models and none of the inside switches were set correctly straight out of the box. So it might just be worth looking inside before returning... Al I was afraid you were going to say that, the thought of taking off the body scares the crap out of me with all that fine detail. Out of interest with your 3 sound models did any of them have the same issues as myself or did you experience different lighting issues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, classy52 said: I was afraid you were going to say that, the thought of taking off the body scares the crap out of me with all that fine detail. Out of interest with your 3 sound models did any of them have the same issues as myself or did you experience different lighting issues? Take is slow and steady, taking the cab step handrails out of their holes and hooking them up as you lift the body and it is all ok - use some pieces of card or thin plastic. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2020 54 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: Take is slow and steady, taking the cab step handrails out of their holes and hooking them up as you lift the body and it is all ok - use some pieces of card or thin plastic. Roy There is a very good explanation (with pics) of how to refit the body using pieces of card to help the handrails slide over the chassis. Somewhere waaaaay up thread 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, newbryford said: There is a very good explanation (with pics) of how to refit the body using pieces of card to help the handrails slide over the chassis. Somewhere waaaaay up thread To be honest, I found card refitting the body more of a hindrance. I just lower the body until the handrails are about to snag and then lift them over one at a time with tweezers. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 That does sound right. I remember mine!! Pinged a couple of steps - found and refitted them fortunately. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) There here... Already started on Biffa’ axleboxes. Its going to be a long weekend of axle box mods.. Having done a quick examination: 66-030 - Colas ...roof grill loose on one corner. 66-004 - EWS .. loose axleboxes, one seems a bit odd to the rest. 66-010 - DRS .. loose axleboxes 66-012 - DRS .. loose axleboxes & centre door steps off. 66-007 - DBS .. loose axleboxes, mark onhandrail 66-036 - G&W .. centre door steps loose the-rest have passed visual inspection. None of these are game stoppers. Nothing obvious missing, just minor, no blemishes, marks etc, no glue, so i’ll be keeping them, retro updating the axleboxes, with 3 more in the fleet. Whilst I know several are righteous about perfection i’m a little more forgiving on loose bits, as long as everything is there undamaged i’m generally ok with it. I will be dumping my Bachmann class 66’s shortly, which at a 1:1 replacement will be not a too expensive an upgrade, on balance. Theres no doubting the detailed improvement, weight and running characteristics of this model... it rides head and shoulders above. Edited November 26, 2020 by adb968008 5 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_lner Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 56 minutes ago, adb968008 said: There here... Already started on Biffa’ axleboxes. Its going to be a long weekend of axle box mods.. Having done a quick examination: 66-030 - Colas ...roof grill loose on one corner. 66-004 - EWS .. loose axleboxes, one seems a bit odd to the rest. 66-010 - DRS .. loose axleboxes 66-012 - DRS .. loose axleboxes & centre door steps off. 66-007 - DBS .. loose axleboxes, mark onhandrail 66-036 - G&W .. centre door steps loose the-rest have passed visual inspection. None of these are game stoppers. Nothing obvious missing, just minor, no blemishes, marks etc, no glue, so i’ll be keeping them, retro updating the axleboxes, with 3 more in the fleet. Whilst I know several are righteous about perfection i’m a little more forgiving on loose bits, as long as everything is there undamaged i’m generally ok with it. I will be dumping my Bachmann class 66’s shortly, which at a 1:1 replacement will be not a too expensive an upgrade, on balance. Theres no doubting the detailed improvement, weight and running characteristics of this model... it rides head and shoulders above. My god is that all from one delivery? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edna Clouds Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Decisions, decisions ... another gorgeous 66 arrived today, this time with 8 wonky axleboxes. Fix them, as I have all the others or join the 'opposition' and chop 'em up and glue the covers on the bogie frame? Son's for the former - "it'll keep you quiet for the weekend" while grandson for the latter - "grandpa, you're 78, do you think you have enough time left?" Hey-ho. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 hours ago, gary_lner said: My god is that all from one delivery? They are still looking for some of the brinks mat gold I think .. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Edna Clouds said: Decisions, decisions ... another gorgeous 66 arrived today, this time with 8 wonky axleboxes. Fix them, as I have all the others or join the 'opposition' and chop 'em up and glue the covers on the bogie frame? Son's for the former - "it'll keep you quiet for the weekend" while grandson for the latter - "grandpa, you're 78, do you think you have enough time left?" Hey-ho. If a jobs worth doing, it’s worth doing properly. My Dad used to tell me that all the time as a young lad, and it is very true... Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, rob D2 said: They are still looking for some of the brinks mat gold I think .. That pile is heavy enough... I needed to strengthen the floorboards. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, classy52 said: Out of interest with your 3 sound models did any of them have the same issues as myself or did you experience different lighting issues? Hmmmm, it's a while ago now and I can't quite recall if my issues were exactly the same as you have encountered, but yes, something certainly wasn't lighting up as expected... A quick removal of the body and it became immediately clear that the switches were set as per a DC only model, ie. all six set 'up' (K1–K6), whereas K3 & K6 should be 'down' as shown in the instruction manual. Top model: DC only Lower model: DCC sound Best Al Edited November 27, 2020 by YesTor 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 21/11/2020 at 18:14, Roy Langridge said: Even an EM2 was fairly straightforward. I just had to undo one if the small PCBs to untangle the wires to give room to get it in. Roy The fitting of a ESU Sound Decoder & EM2 Speaker is dead easy: 1/ Removethe Bodyshell (Thats the fiddly bit !!!!) 2/ Tuck EM2 Speaker under the wires, in the space provided (some wires are tighter than others) 3/ Plug in 21Pin MKL Decoder (Legomanbiffo Sounds with correct lighting features). THATS IT! The Functions on the decoder are below: F0 Light Engine Mode (Selects Directional Lights & Loco Brake Sounds). Function Key Layout for ESU/LOKSOUND V5 Sound Decoders. F0 Light Engine Mode (Selects Directional Lights & Loco Brake Sounds). F1 Engine On/Off. CV259-128 CV419-50 F2 Playable High Horn (Original or later versions). CV435-128 F3 Playable Low Horn (Original or later versions). CV443-128 F4 Buffer clash when moving,coupling hook when stationary (New Sounds). CV283-128 F5 Manual brake application (when moving) / Brake dump (when stationary). CV291-80 F6 Driver's door slam (Random Slams). CV299-128 F7 Compressor speed-up. F8 DriveLock (Drive Hold). CV267-0 F9 Variable speed flange squeal (speed dependant). CV323-128 F10 Despatch Whistle CV331-128 F11 RETB Token Request & Optional reply. CV339-50 F12 Automatic cooler group fans. CV347-128 F13 Sanders. CV355-128 F14 Radar Hiss. CV363-128 F15 Spirax Valves F16 Automatic Compressor Speed Up. F17 Windscreen Wash/Wipe. CV387-128 F18 Detonators (Speed Dependant, three bang stop) CV395-128 F19 Auto Fade Cab Lights. CV427-128 F20.Train Mode: (Disables tail lights & selects train brake sounds. F21.Parking Mode (Lights) F22.Night Running Road. F27.Battery Isolator Switch close (Optional) & Cab start up. CV467-128 F28.Cab shut down & Battery isolator switch open (Optional) CV475-128 USER CHANGEABLE ADVANCED FEATURES: CV155=0 Original Horns. CV155=1 Alternative Original Horns. CV155=2 Later Quieter Horns. ………………………………………. CV156=0 Original Spirax Valves. CV156=1 Euro Style Spirax Valves. ……………………………………….. CV157=0 For loco’s with priming pumps. CV157=1 For loco’s without priming pumps. V5 Helpsheet notes, including exclusive features These are available, see: https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=68&product_id=1639 I think you will agree when listening to the sound project fitted it this superb model, the speaker/sound combination is one of the best sound on the digital market. Honestly, its really good. Charlie 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, YesTor said: Hmmmm, it's a while ago now and I can't quite recall if my issues were exactly the same as you have encountered, but yes, something certainly wasn't lighting up as expected... A quick removal of the body and it became immediately clear that the switches were set as per a DC only model, ie. all six set 'up' (K1–K6), whereas K3 & K6 should be 'down' as shown in the instruction manual. Top model: DC only Lower model: DCC sound Best Al Thanks Al. I removed the body last night which was a minor miracle as only 1 step came off which I glued back on but there was another small miracle later on when I put the body back on with all detail pipes & steps remaining on the body shell...too funny. I found cutting up small pieces of white card and positioning all 4 pieces in the region of the the steps and body notches worked well getting the body back on without losing any of the detail, better than using credit cards with this experience. Ok the switches were set correctly and had a look at all the wiring and the soldered contacts which appeared to be ok so nothing looking untoward and found bits of tape randomly placed which didn't seem to make any sense but apart from that all looked normal, gave the contact pads a clean at each end as well. Unfortunately after putting the body back on the lighting issues still remain thus will be giving Hattons a call for it to be returned but I actually would like them to try and fix it if possible because I don't actually want to lose this loco since it has been sold out with sound, hopefully they can have a go otherwise it will be a refund which I want to avoid. Edited November 27, 2020 by classy52 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight-Freight Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 26/11/2020 at 15:55, adb968008 said: There here... Already started on Biffa’ axleboxes. Its going to be a long weekend of axle box mods.. Having done a quick examination: 66-030 - Colas ...roof grill loose on one corner. 66-004 - EWS .. loose axleboxes, one seems a bit odd to the rest. 66-010 - DRS .. loose axleboxes 66-012 - DRS .. loose axleboxes & centre door steps off. 66-007 - DBS .. loose axleboxes, mark onhandrail 66-036 - G&W .. centre door steps loose the-rest have passed visual inspection. None of these are game stoppers. Nothing obvious missing, just minor, no blemishes, marks etc, no glue, so i’ll be keeping them, retro updating the axleboxes, with 3 more in the fleet. Whilst I know several are righteous about perfection i’m a little more forgiving on loose bits, as long as everything is there undamaged i’m generally ok with it. I will be dumping my Bachmann class 66’s shortly, which at a 1:1 replacement will be not a too expensive an upgrade, on balance. Theres no doubting the detailed improvement, weight and running characteristics of this model... it rides head and shoulders above. Do I spy a DB red one in there? If so and you will be 'dumping' a Bachmann equivalent I might be interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 how far off are we from the next batch? no Gremlin puns intended!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Looks like 66005 EWS is now sold out. At these prices I suspect the rest will go fast. My first Hattons 66 is in the post. If I'm happy with it I may well buy a few more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, Marcoblanco said: how far off are we from the next batch? no Gremlin puns intended!! I wondered that as soon as I saw the old lot on sale. Hattons have invested a lot in the tooling. Surely they will want value for this & sooner rather than later? Don't expect them to announce anything early though. They tried this with the first batch. When unexpected issues delayed them it illustrated why manufacturers don't like to make their developments too public too soon. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) On 27/11/2020 at 09:14, classy52 said: I found cutting up small pieces of white card and positioning all 4 pieces in the region of the the steps and body notches worked well getting the body back on without losing any of the detail, better than using credit cards with this experience. That's correct - stiff credit card pieces for removal, flexible card/plasticard for reassembly Quote Unfortunately after putting the body back on the lighting issues still remain thus will be giving Hattons a call for it to be returned but I actually would like them to try and fix it if possible because I don't actually want to lose this loco since it has been sold out with sound, hopefully they can have a go otherwise it will be a refund which I want to avoid. That's a pity Still, I guess at least next time you need to disassemble one you'll know what to do having had a go previously. Hopefully you'll get it sorted. ps... you could always exchange for a non-sound model and pick up a sound decoder from Charlie and have a go at fitting your own... these ones are really easy to do, even I can do it! Best Al Edited November 29, 2020 by YesTor 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said: I wondered that as soon as I saw the old lot on sale. Hattons have invested a lot in the tooling. Surely they will want value for this & sooner rather than later? Don't expect them to announce anything early though. They tried this with the first batch. When unexpected issues delayed them it illustrated why manufacturers don't like to make their developments too public too soon. i rather suspect they got good mileage from the tooling on the first batch, I dont think i recall a previous rtr model in OO offered with so many variations off a tooling on first release in recent years. Given we had 30 liveries off batch one, even if it was only 500 of each, thats 15,000 class 66’s... thats good for any tooling these days. If this is about saving space.. those 372 !!! different types of Pre-grouping coaches are due soon, i’d imagine they are going to take up some room. Edited November 28, 2020 by adb968008 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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