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Update to my last post, I admit 12 Freightliner bogie hoppers, with resin 'loads' is not light, but not particularly heavy, so just prior to 'ZZZ Time' I reviewed.

 

The pinpoint axles are nice and loose in the plastic sideframes, but had gouged lightly quite a few, producing 'plastic fluff' which had been causing some not insubstantial drag. Once cleaned off, they were obviously better, and my 37's have little problem hauling them now - still heavy 'though!

 

I think these wagons are a prime candidate for brass inserts.

 

Al.

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6 minutes ago, atom3624 said:

Update to my last post, I admit 12 Freightliner bogie hoppers, with resin 'loads' is not light, but not particularly heavy, so just prior to 'ZZZ Time' I reviewed.

 

The pinpoint axles are nice and loose in the plastic sideframes, but had gouged lightly quite a few, producing 'plastic fluff' which had been causing some not insubstantial drag. Once cleaned off, they were obviously better, and my 37's have little problem hauling them now - still heavy 'though!

 

I think these wagons are a prime candidate for brass inserts.

 

Al.


Brass bearings make a huge difference and I think you are right there. In time, a plastic bearing is always going to wear, ultimately leading to slack and potential derailments. I wonder how much more it would cost for the manufacturers to fit them on big wagons?
 

Of course, it all depends on the “mileage” accumulated by the wagons. 
 

Roy

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26 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said:

more it would cost for the manufacturers to fit them on big wagons?

 

Revolution TEAs have them I think.

 

8 hours ago, atom3624 said:

Very impressive hauler

 

I don't think there will be anything in OO that can compete with it off the shelf simply because of its weight. The Dapol 68 is second heaviest at the moment I think and therefore in all likelihood second best puller as a guess? The Accurascale I think are going to be similar weight to the H66.

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1 hour ago, TomScrut said:

 

I don't think there will be anything in OO that can compete with it off the shelf simply because of its weight. The Dapol 68 is second heaviest at the moment I think and therefore in all likelihood second best puller as a guess? The Accurascale I think are going to be similar weight to the H66.

Heljan DPU.

 

Roy

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I tell you what, in the Freightliner hopper wagon debacle I have - I actually have inserts already on their way, by total coincidence - I was VERY impressed, again as it's no surprise now, with my Heljan 52.

 

More appropriate for the hoppers would be the 58, hence why I mentioned it - slight livery problem aside - but that should be the same.

 

For those who have used the inserts, I presume you carefully enlarge the aperture where the pinpoint of the axle goes JUST enough, then glue permanently into position?

 

I have some of the latest, HEAVY Hornby Gresley teaks, which are giving similar issues - pinpoint digging into the bogie, deforming slightly, creating swarf and a considerable amount of unnecessary drag.

 

Al.

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23 minutes ago, atom3624 said:

For those who have used the inserts, I presume you carefully enlarge the aperture where the pinpoint of the axle goes JUST enough, then glue permanently into position?

 

That is my usual approach, yes.

Roy

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3 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

Hahaha that seems a bit random, do they get used to haul long trains or did Heljan make them heavy for the sake of it?

 

No idea why Heljan made them that way, but their hauling capacity is phenomenal.


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1 hour ago, Roy Langridge said:

By the way, for adding axle bearings to RTR stock, these are very good: https://www.dccconcepts.com/product/bearing-reamers-set-of-two/

 

Roy


They were a godsend on the hachette Partwork coaches from a while back, reaming the bogies and fitting Hornby wheels transformed the running brilliantly! 
 

Well worth the money 

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2 hours ago, big jim said:


They were a godsend on the hachette Partwork coaches from a while back, reaming the bogies and fitting Hornby wheels transformed the running brilliantly! 
 

Well worth the money 

can these be used to make the plastic bearing holes larger to allow brass bearings to be fitted?

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19 hours ago, atom3624 said:

 

Interesting to be reminded just what an impressive locomotive this Hattons 66 is, AB-bleating aside. 

 

Is it?

 

Or is that just what we are coming to expect as "normal" these days?

 

But I think we're in a transition period where the older locos' teeth are growing ever longer compared with today's standards and with every new loco that comes out, that tooth grows not by an inch but a foot.

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4 minutes ago, Sir TophamHatt said:

I think we're in a transition period where the older locos' teeth are growing ever longer compared with today's standards and with every new loco that comes out, that tooth grows not by an inch but a foot

 

I agree. The stuff that has come out recently is a significant step ahead of the other "decent" tooling IMO, at least as far as present day stuff is concerned. The exceptions to this I think are the Hornby 60 which I think is over 10 years old now but is excellent, and to an extent I think the Hornby 67 is very good. But I would not call the Hattons 66 head and shoulders above such as the Dapol 68 and Bachmann 90. Maybe not the Hornby 60 either.

 

The ones I own but think are a bit long in the tooth but acceptable until something better comes along are the Bachmann 37 and 66, Heljan 33 and the Hornby HST. I like the Bachmann 70 and would hold it in a similar regard of the D68, B90 and Ha66 if it wasn't for the lack of lighting functionality.

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Don't disagree, OK, I agree, but ....

 

I wouldn't include the Bachmann Class 70, until they make the chassis out of depleted Uranium, just to give it adequate weight to permit a haulage capacity at least closer to the Hornby 60, if not the H66.

 

450g weight, when others in this 'Type 5' region weigh 600g+, with little room to insert any additional weight is pretty poor - detailing is superb, in keeping with such an ugly duckling.

 

One thing I will mention, having worked on both the D68 and the H66, I have to say the D68 is very, very easy to work on.

 

Al.

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6 minutes ago, atom3624 said:

 

I wouldn't include the Bachmann Class 70, until they make the chassis out of depleted Uranium, just to give it adequate weight to permit a haulage capacity at least closer to the Hornby 60, if not the H66.

 

That is an excellent point although not a problem I run into on my 8x6 roundy roundy!

 

But I agree especially since the chassis is about as simple as modern locos get you'd think casting it would be straightforward

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I do agree, models that used to be class leading are now looking older and older as new releases come out, the Hornby range as a whole comes to mind, but that’s off topic. I think if you get a hattons shed without any major issues it’s brilliant and runs great, but, that should be expected. Especially at the price point and how it was described as class leading. I have had an okay experience with mine, but holding off buying more. Although the qc seems to be in the dirt for all major manufacturers atm. 

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16 minutes ago, Class 158 productions said:

Although the qc seems to be in the dirt for all major manufacturers atm. 

 

Yep, Hattons aren't alone in this IMO, my last Heljan and Hornby purchases (both new releases) both have livery screw ups in one way or another.

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12 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

Yep, Hattons aren't alone in this IMO, my last Heljan and Hornby purchases (both new releases) both have livery screw ups in one way or another.

Same here, idk if it’s just me. But I am noticing more flaws, maybe I’m just paying too much attention, but the prices are so high now. I’m noticing more and more little things, like some paint chips on the stairs of the 66 and detail not sitting quite right, obviously I’m sounding pedantic. But if they are going to put so much detail on, at least get it right

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The DRS print alignment of the D68 springs to mind as well - which was a pity, and well resolved, as the rest of the locomotive is brilliant.

 

This is the H66 thread so I should remain on it.

Mine runs very well, is super smooth and obviously very powerful - just as it should be.

 

Al.

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On 13/07/2020 at 23:23, atom3624 said:

The other thing is what there is of an axle stub isn't 'laser cut perpendicular' at the end - it's rounded somewhat - leaving less to bind to.

 

I put 12 Freightliner hoppers, with loads onto my 4th radius 'test track', and found a recent-model Bachmann 44, and slightly older 40 couldn't haul them.

 

My Northern Belle Bachmann 57 can, JUST.

 

I have a Bachmann Freightliner 70, but if the others are having issues, that's got no chance, weighing 150g less!!

 

I currently have a Heljan 52 out, which hauled without problem, just a bit slower than normal.

The H66 was slower than I've seen but still had no problems at all - virtually nose-to-tail around the 4th radius circle.

 

Very impressive hauler, probably better than the 52, but that in itself was impressive.

Must get the Heljan 58 on it.

 

Bachmann 37's had no chance.

Interesting to be reminded just what an impressive locomotive this Hattons 66 is, AB-bleating aside.

 

Al.

 

 

In defence of the Bachmann Class 37...

 

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That is 19 MBA wagons, mostly with loads. This is one wagon longer than the consists I used to see travelling through North London.

It can also be comfortably managed by a Heljan 58, Bachmann 66 and a Hornby Class 60.

 

 

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On 13/07/2020 at 23:23, atom3624 said:

The other thing is what there is of an axle stub isn't 'laser cut perpendicular' at the end - it's rounded somewhat - leaving less to bind to.

 

I put 12 Freightliner hoppers, with loads onto my 4th radius 'test track', and found a recent-model Bachmann 44, and slightly older 40 couldn't haul them.

 

My Northern Belle Bachmann 57 can, JUST.

 

I have a Bachmann Freightliner 70, but if the others are having issues, that's got no chance, weighing 150g less!!

 

I currently have a Heljan 52 out, which hauled without problem, just a bit slower than normal.

The H66 was slower than I've seen but still had no problems at all - virtually nose-to-tail around the 4th radius circle.

 

Very impressive hauler, probably better than the 52, but that in itself was impressive.

Must get the Heljan 58 on it.

 

Bachmann 37's had no chance.

Interesting to be reminded just what an impressive locomotive this Hattons 66 is, AB-bleating aside.

 

Al.


 

try a Heljan DPU out...

 

its a brick on wheels. Massively over engineered, for something which in real life pulled next to nothing. Not sure if the factory spec had a 1:1 ratio for haulage on a 1:76 model.

Theres a video out there of one pulling nearly 40 coaches.

 

 

 

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Liking the 37 video, and no need to defend.

 

I'd already found the problem - the pinpoints in their sockets.

Hopefully once I get the inserts sorted, I can see better performances, and put less strain on the locomotives.

 

Al.

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20 hours ago, Roy Langridge said:

 

No idea why Heljan made them that way, but their hauling capacity is phenomenal.


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Great weight ensures good electrical contact with the rails although I would prefer them to be made a little lighter by incorporating a speaker-shaped void. They are very nice models.

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Just now, No Decorum said:

Great weight ensures good electrical contact with the rails although I would prefer them to be made a little lighter by incorporating a speaker-shaped void. They are very nice models.

 

Indeed, lost count of how many I have - more than I need. I was fascinated with them when they used to work into Reading when I was there, and I think that just stuck.

Roy 

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