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15 minutes ago, Wheatley said:

"Not delayed long enough" has to be my new favourite complaint on here ! Even better than the "too many layouts" complaint about one of the mags a few years ago. Talk about damned if you do...

 

I think the point is don't say they are delayed for 3 months if they are actually coming in 4 weeks time!

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1 hour ago, Wheatley said:

"Not delayed long enough" has to be my new favourite complaint on here ! Even better than the "too many layouts" complaint about one of the mags a few years ago. Talk about damned if you do...

 

Couldn't agree more, there's no pleasing some people. 

 

I am wondering if the models did infact arrive at the original time, but then were quarantined for a thorough QC check by Hattons. This then took less time than expected and so they were released earlier. Would explain why 'Pre Grouping Fans' model appears to have been run, and also the rather sudden "they're not here yet" and then "oh now they are here" comms.

 

Purely conjecture of course. Let's see how many have faults in this batch...

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30 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

I think the point is don't say they are delayed for 3 months if they are actually coming in 4 weeks time!

 

Funny thing is, I remember you and I have a discussion where you said you would prefer things coming early than late...

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28 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

I think the point is don't say they are delayed for 3 months if they are actually coming in 4 weeks time!

 

This could have been something to do with the current, every changing world climate making it hard to predict when the models would come. I understand the frustration but given what's going on we should probably be thankful we are getting these models at all :)

 

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16 minutes ago, Pre Grouping fan said:

Well my 66780 has just arrived.

Initial thoughts when handling the box, I thought I had been sent 2 by accident, only 1 in the box and I'm surprised by the sheer weight of the model

 

 

Please stop the exaggerations. It is heavier than most (possibly all) exisiting OO models, but not by as much as I have seen described

 

I have just weighed my sound-fitted 66 at 768g.

I also weighed one of my sound fitted Hornby 50s: 681g. So that makes the 66 13% heavier. (A real 50 is about 1% heavier than a 66). I don't remember any fuss about the weight of Hornby's 50 when it was introduced?

While I agree that adding this extra weight is a good achievement, it is not as much of an increase over existing models as many seem to be making out.

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36 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

I think the point is don't say they are delayed for 3 months if they are actually coming in 4 weeks time!

 

They announced dates for the 1st batch with what at the time were reasonable estimates, but delays caused models to miss each date..& people complained.

This time they gave a conservative estimate & the items arrived sooner than expected...& people are complaining.

 

Sounds like they can't win.

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8 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

They announced dates for the 1st batch with what at the time were reasonable estimates, but delays caused models to miss each date..& people complained.

This time they gave a conservative estimate & the items arrived sooner than expected...& people are complaining.

 

Sounds like they can't win.

 

Saying "late 2020" on the 24th of June, just less than a month ago, and then people having had them delivered today is not conservative estimation IMO. It's approx. 300% (or 66% depending on which way you go with it) out if we assume early October qualifies as late 2020.

 

Even a note a week ago or whatever saying they had come back forward again may have helped some people. I don't think they just fell from the sky onto Hattons' doorstep yesterday! They must have known they were coming.

 

I am sure Hattons' accountants would have similar complaints if a load of stock unexpectedly turned up 2+ months before budgeted that wanted paying for.

 

It could be they have been there all along being checked and it took less time than expected....

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28 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

Please stop the exaggerations. It is heavier than most (possibly all) exisiting OO models, but not by as much as I have seen described

 

Heljan DPU was the heaviest come up with in the conversation a page or so back

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I ended up pre-ordering a Class 66, pre-ordered the CEMEX one when I heard they were delayed to the end of 2020. Sadly I've had to cancel the order urgently. The pandemic made a mess of deliveries. In July itself I ended up getting 4 models which should've ideally come in between March and June. With more that 400 quid down in a span of one week. I've had to sadly cancel my order for my CEMEX Class 66.

And for those members who have an issue with others expressing their opinions over an early delivery...early deliveries may be a nice thing, but this hobby isn't cheap. A lot of people live on tight budgets and instances like this can really affect their modelling budget. If you have all the money in the world, good for you. Others have strict budgets and they want certain models.

As for Hattons, I cannot think of any excuse for not knowing about a delivery (unless Hattons would like to comment??) Model trains are not small shipments, especially the range of Hattons Class 66 which is a rather large batch. Such consignments are not going to be untraceable. They are going to be tracked and Hattons would get notifications at every step. Hattons would've known when it left China, when it reached the UK, when it passed through customs, when it left customs and when it was being delivered. Covid situation aside, Hattons communication with projects like the Class 66, A3 and A4 hasn't been to their usual standard. Communication only exists when they have to advertise their product. Other than that we've heard precious little from them.

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27 minutes ago, 89A said:

Looks like Hattons have had pre orders plus a few extras of the second batch flown in as numbers in stock are falling fast.

Pure speculation here but I wonder if this batch has been flown in? If we look back to batch 1 a small consignment was shipped just before Christmas which must have been tiny since it sold out in days. If you take the cemex example from batch 2 it's already sold out and indicates more are coming late 2020. Maybe something similar has happened and what we are seeing now is a small consignment released early (maybe to test the waters) that was air shipped just like batch 1. That would explain the sudden nature since hattons might have been surprised how fast factories started up again and had a few models that would otherwise have to sit in China until late 2020.

 

Again just speculation

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9 minutes ago, Br60066 said:

Pure speculation here but I wonder if this batch has been flown in? If we look back to batch 1 a small consignment was shipped just before Christmas which must have been tiny since it sold out in days. If you take the cemex example from batch 2 it's already sold out and indicates more are coming late 2020. Maybe something similar has happened and what we are seeing now is a small consignment released early (maybe to test the waters) that was air shipped just like batch 1. That would explain the sudden nature since hattons might have been surprised how fast factories started up again and had a few models that would otherwise have to sit in China until late 2020.

 

Again just speculation

My thoughts exactly - Maybe had a batch ready sooner than expected and they could have decided to air freight a them over. Mine should arrive today, I was lucky with 66 789, had no issues at all, think it is a really great model, hope this is the same!

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1 hour ago, rob D2 said:

I’d imagine air freight to be prohibitely costly for more than a few , compared with a. Container 

 

Depends on how fast really in my little experience of it.

 

I had a 125x125x125 pallet to come to the UK from Australia, 150kg.

 

Somebody quoted about 3 grand but it was pretty much as fast as it would physically get here. Next flight and only the one flight (other than stopovers).

 

We got it brought for £900 ish and it took just over a week.

 

That pallet size I think would be good for about 200 class 66s (weight wise about 150 but I'd expect the volume to be the worst case).

 

£4.50 a loco for it to come by plane doesn't sound that bad TBH! And I'd expect it to be cheaper from China as there will be more routes.

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28 minutes ago, rob D2 said:

That wouldn’t be so bad I guess, thought it would be more . Wonder if they have the space right now as air cargo has really taken off with covid 

.... I see what you did there :p

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5 hours ago, Triumph1050 said:

a slightly wonky nameplate on one side.  

 

You might find you can straighten the nameplate as some found the glue used has a bit of give

 

Thanks I'll take a look at that later. 

 

 

Ive yet to run mine properly but a short test revealed it was a wobbly runner. I think it stems from No 2 end. I removed an axle box cover (it seemed to be a force fit on the axle stub as the end had flared out slightly) the axle stub looks the same size as the previous models. 

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Without going through the thread was superglue still the recommended adhesive from an owners perspective to refit the axlebox covers? 

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1 hour ago, rob D2 said:

That wouldn’t be so bad I guess, thought it would be more . Wonder if they have the space right now as air cargo has really taken off with covid 

 

 There is a "covid-19" premium currently being levied by the airfreight companies.

The amount depends on how fast you want it.

 

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So, as it stands at the point of being unrun.

 

Cemex Express is going back, not even going to bother chipping it, As One We Can is going to be chipped and run to see how it goes. Neither were perfect but Cemex has more wrong with it than I can be bothered with and is worse than any of the 3 I have had through my hands previously in terms of condition.

 

I am disappointed TBH, although ONE looks even better than I thought it would. I thought it would be the Cemex livery that I'd prefer.

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I suspect the next time (if) Hattons go for an exclusive loco they will either go in cahoots with a manufacturer or be much more meticulous with their QC.....Fingers well and truly burnt with this loco which is a great shame. One of the most eagerly awaited models which has been a great let down.

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So have just run in Biffa and Cemex. biffa derails alot and has lost two axleboxes. cemex runs perfect no axleboxes lost but suffers light bleed on cab roof and when opened had a broken bogie footstep.madge elliot is still droping axleboxes but runs perfect now i had the large logo one for christmas and was and still is perfect

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