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14 hours ago, Richard Croft said:

Has anyone had a model with faulty night mode and been able to fix it? I know all the models are faulty one way or another and I accept that, but a few of the ones I've had for sound fitting plus one of my own (so far) has a problem where the right hand light when you are facing it wont come on when night mode is activated. It's only happening at one end and I know the decoder works cos it works fine in other hattons 66's, and I know the switches are set correctly because ive done over 20 now and most have been fine I cant see any loose wires, could the problem be somewhere else? maybe within the switch?

 

I've also had a few where one cab light wont work, I've tried cleaning the contacts but thats not helped, so I guess it could be a similar problem?

 

Thanks

 

Ive had the same issue with some 66s not having the lights change over for some engines. I am thinking it is either the body not fitting as tight when are attached as when I had some issues with a 66 being chipped from DCC ready to have sound, then I tested the lights before reattaching the body. Some of these must need to line up exactly, as I think the wiring to lights was all working. 

Cab lights might the due to the contacts not meeting on the body. These models are built to be strong but still have tight tollerances and thus delicate - so if these do not line up exactly then the model is seen to have faults. Its also a case of that models checked and looked at might have had issues when they were reassembled by modellers, as a result my DCC ready engine was probably fine until I took off the body to turn it into a DCC sound engine! 

It might be helpful to have a sub section on this for the Hattons 66. General thread moved there too, with a sub thread for each problem noted and then solutions from the community to fix them - rather than try and wade through 171 pages of discussion and info. 

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29 minutes ago, Richard Croft said:

I think it'll just make a pile of ones with lighting faults then and send them back, I'm not spending ages sticking bits back on them for them not to work properly anyway

 

Richard

 

Yeah, I wasn't that bothered about the cab lighting (but was about nights) so I gave up and accepted the ones with faulty cab lights as these I have are the third ones of 2 locos so I was getting sick of taking them to the post office.

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22 minutes ago, The Black Hat said:

Ive had the same issue with some 66s not having the lights change over for some engines. I am thinking it is either the body not fitting as tight when are attached as when I had some issues with a 66 being chipped from DCC ready to have sound, then I tested the lights before reattaching the body. Some of these must need to line up exactly, as I think the wiring to lights was all working. 

 

The best way to help ID the fault is to set the switches to 6 function mode, with night mode selected. If the LEDs work on there you know its nothing to do with the LEDs themselves or the wires, the issue is then either with decoder or PCB (and attached components).

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46 minutes ago, The Black Hat said:

Ive had the same issue with some 66s not having the lights change over for some engines. I am thinking it is either the body not fitting as tight when are attached as when I had some issues with a 66 being chipped from DCC ready to have sound, then I tested the lights before reattaching the body. Some of these must need to line up exactly, as I think the wiring to lights was all working. 

That could explain the cab lights, the night lights should work whether the body is on or not though so at least those cane be tested before the body is put back to minimise risk to the hand rails and pipes

 

Richard

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53 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

I was getting sick of taking them to the post office.

 

I know how you feel, have sent 3 back already because of sound & lighting issues.

Got another 2 pre-owned (like new) but one has a missing detail pack which is annoying because it is for the Freightliner ONE Pink which has a different yellow than the others on the top part of the apron thus on the verge of sending that back because I have been informed by Hattons there are no spare detail packs for that particular loco.

The other is the Freightliner Green 66957 where the detail pack is from the EWS 66 loco thus completely different aprons to the Freightliner variant but waiting on Hattons to get back to me on whether they have any spare for my loco, just annoying little things, anyway have 6 66's now and looking to get 2 more so I just keep on going back for more :banghead:

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1 hour ago, Richard Croft said:

That could explain the cab lights, the night lights should work whether the body is on or not though so at least those cane be tested before the body is put back to minimise risk to the hand rails and pipes

 

Richard

 

Couple of patch leads from body to small PCB let you test the lights with the body off. Something like these: Patch Lead

 

 Roy

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Night headlight in one end on one of my 66’s would stay on all the time. Eventually I found that the circuit board underside was shorting in the motor body. Couple of pieces of insulation tape on top of the motor sorted the problem. 

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30 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said:

I note that the price of pre-owned 66s has been creeping back up. Today we have a 66848 at a higher cost pre-owned (£122) than new (£119) :o

 

Roy

Maybe its a sign that the end of this promo is coming ?

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After much reading through this topic to the various niggles & issues people have had I finally took the plunge & ordered myself 66783. Have to say on testing the loco out it runs an absolute treat. All axleboxes intact, no wobble & all lights correctly working. I had to remove the body to gain access to the switches inside & this is where my personal problems lay. Those steps & hanging pipework really are so delicate & even being gentle saw a couple of the step sides snapping off. Despite these small problems though, Hattons really are onto something big with these, The Bachmann offering has served us well over the years as being the best looking RTR version, but the Hattons version knocks the Bachmann offering out of the park! I'm not a fan of 66's at all in real life but these models tick every single box. 

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Not sure if that has been posted already thus apologies in advance for repeating, this is in regards to a fix for the lighting issue on the large headlight (bug-eyed) versions of the Hattons Class 66.

A company called Illuminated Models (have no affiliation) have a modification board for sale to fix the the issue and very cheap and easy as well requiring basic soldering skills and a little bit of work installing, I stumbled across this recently thus thought it would be useful to post in this thread and must admit gives me renewed interest in purchasing the current large headlight 66's which I hadn't done previously...see direct link below to the product.

 

https://www.illuminatedmodels.co.uk/products/hattons-bug-eye-class-66-modification-board

 

They have also posted a YouTube video on how to do this, link below.

 

 

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An aftermarket 'fix' which needs purchasing and soldering in by the end user on a brand new state of the art model. Even without wading through 171 pages, that sort of tells me these aren't the premium product originally envisioned.

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1 minute ago, blueeighties said:

An aftermarket 'fix' which needs purchasing and soldering in by the end user. Even without wading through 171 pages, that sort of tells me these aren't the premium product originally envisioned.

 

Just an option if you see fit to pursue it, nothing more nothing less and yes already done to death but no doubt some hard lessons learned for Hattons on this product...hopefully they'll deliver the ultimate 66 in their next batch if they do it.

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6 hours ago, classy52 said:

Not sure if that has been posted already thus apologies in advance for repeating, this is in regards to a fix for the lighting issue on the large headlight (bug-eyed) versions of the Hattons Class 66.

A company called Illuminated Models (have no affiliation) have a modification board for sale to fix the the issue and very cheap and easy as well requiring basic soldering skills and a little bit of work installing, I stumbled across this recently thus thought it would be useful to post in this thread and must admit gives me renewed interest in purchasing the current large headlight 66's which I hadn't done previously...see direct link below to the product.

 

https://www.illuminatedmodels.co.uk/products/hattons-bug-eye-class-66-modification-board

 

They have also posted a YouTube video on how to do this, link below.

 

 

 

This looks good, but the main headlight colour is still too warm. 

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1 hour ago, blueeighties said:

An aftermarket 'fix' which needs purchasing and soldering in by the end user on a brand new state of the art model. Even without wading through 171 pages, that sort of tells me these aren't the premium product originally envisioned.

 

Issues, yes but so has Bachmann's 90 & that doesn't seem to have received same level of criticism.

 

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3 hours ago, SouthernMafia said:

 

This looks good, but the main headlight colour is still too warm. 

They do a replacement for the Bachmann 66 too, which allows the lighting options including the 4 white lower lights to be illuminated.  Maybe the can do that for the Hatton 66 as many are receiving the new light clusters.

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On 10/12/2020 at 19:37, blueeighties said:

An aftermarket 'fix' which needs purchasing and soldering in by the end user on a brand new state of the art model. Even without wading through 171 pages, that sort of tells me these aren't the premium product originally envisioned.

 

Well, the next big releases are likely to be the Heljan 86's, assuming they beat the accurascales to market.  The most expensive D&E loco yet.  Let's see what state of the art the premium price gets us.

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On 10/12/2020 at 21:03, Pete the Elaner said:

 

Issues, yes but so has Bachmann's 90 & that doesn't seem to have received same level of criticism.

 

 

Thats because you can't bash Bachmann. :tomato: 

 

The Illuminated Models adaptation to the Hattons 66 looks interesting and could be very useful. How easy have some found to remove the light box needed as this when I have seen has been stuck fast. I am thinking if you need force to take if off you might damage the wires needed to be used for the fix. 

 

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35 minutes ago, The Black Hat said:

 

Thats because you can't bash Bachmann. :tomato: 

 

The Illuminated Models adaptation to the Hattons 66 looks interesting and could be very useful. How easy have some found to remove the light box needed as this when I have seen has been stuck fast. I am thinking if you need force to take if off you might damage the wires needed to be used for the fix. 

 

Ive found they come loose in your hands, no issue.

Although I only run DC, I think theres something in this kit for me, so i’m going to give one a go, and maybe run for more afterwards.

 

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4 hours ago, The Black Hat said:

 

Thats because you can't bash Bachmann. :tomato: 

 

The Illuminated Models adaptation to the Hattons 66 looks interesting and could be very useful. How easy have some found to remove the light box needed as this when I have seen has been stuck fast. I am thinking if you need force to take if off you might damage the wires needed to be used for the fix. 

 


One of mine was firmly stuck but square nose *parallel* pliars across the width of the little PCB let it be wriggled out.

 

No pressure applied to the wires or components and being parallel you get a firm grip without risking the PCB. I was reusing the PCB as I did the fix myself. 
 

Google “Maun Parallel Action Flat Nose Plier” to find what I used. Quite expensive but a quality product that will last you years. I have a snipe nose pair as well. 
 

Roy

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On 03/12/2020 at 22:09, SouthernMafia said:

Given my sound fitted 66s a run today on the club layout, heres 66621 with Biffo/Hattons sound, but no EM2 - instead the 40x28mm speaker and enclosure as previously mentioned:

 

 

 

That sound really good, not as deep as the EM2 but still nice,  Charlie

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 We have tried various speakers in the Hattons Class 66, from the older 20X40 ESU speakers to the EM2 (Earth Mover) speakers, The better ones are those that are actually BASS speakers not the ones that are Sugarqube Based speakers in housings, these are good as the air tight housings are a vast improvement over earlier types, but in my opinion the larger bass speakers outshine the others. The EM2 Speakers are the best by far and not that much more expensive (£15.00 ish) than the other speakers mentioned in this thread.

 

Charlie (Legomanbiffo Team)

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I finally decided to go for one of these with some of the great pre-owned prices recently. Only arrived yesterday and generally impressed for the price I paid.

 

The problem is that the cab handrails are missing one end which was not mentioned in the description or shown in the images. Hattons have said they’ll take it back for a refund or knock a bit of the price if I want to keep it. However, they don’t stock this as a spare part.

 

My question therefore is whether there is a simple way to sort this if I choose to keep the model or am I best just returning it? It is obviously a very visible part to be missing and annoying that it isn’t available as a spare. I’ve never tried to replace something like that myself with wire but would it be fairly simple to do so?

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