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4 minutes ago, steven156 said:

Hattons own pictures really don’t do the loco any favours, their own pictures make it look very pale compared to this one.  

Agreed they look over exposed compared to mine.

Happy I took the plunge now.

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4 hours ago, Hilux5972 said:

Hornby magazine reported that Hattons have said all issues WILL be sorted for FUTURE batches. So yes there will be more released. 

I would not hold your breath waiting,we could all be older than Yoda by then and if the axlebox is to rotate still it needs a lot better job than the first attempt,it could be the best thing since sliced bread if they get it right.

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9 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said:

I would not hold your breath waiting,we could all be older than Yoda by then and if the axlebox is to rotate still it needs a lot better job than the first attempt,it could be the best thing since sliced bread if they get it right.

 

The reasoning behind the axle box issue is in the aforementioned magazine and it is an interesting one. There is a bit of overflow on one of the suspension components on the bogie which means it doesn't seat properly into the main bogie mould, making the axle box hole no longer concentric to the axle. Trim it off and refit and it supposedly is spot on, do drilling or anything of the sort needed.

 

I haven't tried sorting it yet though.

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20 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

The reasoning behind the axle box issue is in the aforementioned magazine and it is an interesting one. There is a bit of overflow on one of the suspension components on the bogie which means it doesn't seat properly into the main bogie mould, making the axle box hole no longer concentric to the axle. Trim it off and refit and it supposedly is spot on, do drilling or anything of the sort needed.

 

I haven't tried sorting it yet though.


This is true, there is a part of the moulding which prevents the subframe from seating correctly.

 

However, 'trim, refit, done' isn’t quite correct as you have to remove all the axlebox caps to remove the subframe and trim the excess. Therefore, you have to refit all the caps yourself. I’ve seen many examples where people have done it and the models run sweet, however I decided for the other reason below, to trim the caps and glue them in permanently to the subframe, thus no more connection to the axle = faultless running and prototypical look, just not operation.

 

The nail in the coffin regarding axle boxes for me is the side play in the axles, very much required for a Co-Co loco, but to me it just looks wrong when going round curves, resulting in the axles box caps 'popping out' by what would be 6 inches in 12" to the foot size. On Bo-Bo locos or wagons, rotating axle boxes of this design work perfectly, but a whole new approach - probably frame-mounted rather than axle-mounted - is needed to do it justice, IMO.

 

For the sake of a few pence, Hattons would do well to include some if not a full 12 spare axlebox caps in the detail bag. I mean, they’ve gone to the fuss of a pair of cut-valance fully detailed buffer beam replacements with steel sprung buffers, so why not throw in 12-off axlebox caps in case of glue failure or loss?

 

Just my tuppence worth!

 

Jack.

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33 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

The reasoning behind the axle box issue is in the aforementioned magazine and it is an interesting one. There is a bit of overflow on one of the suspension components on the bogie which means it doesn't seat properly into the main bogie mould, making the axle box hole no longer concentric to the axle. Trim it off and refit and it supposedly is spot on, do drilling or anything of the sort needed.

 

I haven't tried sorting it yet though.

I have followed the modifications to the bogie sides given in the magazine. It has worked a treat. No wobble, no shedding axle box ends, no glue, no drilling. Very glad I didn’t just jump in straight away. 

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37 minutes ago, Jack374 said:

However, 'trim, refit, done' isn’t quite correct as you have to remove all the axlebox caps to remove the subframe and trim the excess.

 

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting it was a 5 minute job, if anyone wants to do it I recommend they buy the magazine. The reason I haven't done it yet is because it's not a 5 minute job.

 

I have however glued plenty of axle box covers back in on these and therefore I won't mind doing another few!

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57 minutes ago, Graham108 said:

If there's a solution to a problem, then IMHO Hattons should be providing it FOC to all purchasers

 

Maybe so, but it would seem they aren't helping so I am trying to point people in the right direction as to where to get the information. I don't think it is fair for me to be saying exactly how when it would be ripping off an article about it in a magazine.

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12 hours ago, Jack374 said:

 

 

For the sake of a few pence, Hattons would do well to include some if not a full 12 spare axlebox caps in the detail bag. I mean, they’ve gone to the fuss of a pair of cut-valance fully detailed buffer beam replacements with steel sprung buffers, so why not throw in 12-off axlebox caps in case of glue failure or loss?

 

Just my tuppence worth!

 

Jack.

 

By adding the axle ends from the word go, that's as good as admitting that there's an inherent problem with the initial design.

 

(which in hindsight....................................)

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There may only be 12 axleboxes on the sprue… why would they expect to have needed more ?

 

There is potentially a nice after market brass axlebox to be made here, by the likes of Markits etc, especially as there are variants of axleboxes.

 

Front steps wouldnt come amiss in after market either.


down the road I expect spares will sort themselves, with damaged / broken / missing / boneyard models ending up s/h on ebay. I’m still betting on Hattons having a bunch of boneyarders, they did with the Garratts, which had their own foibles.. those spares turned up about a year after the last of the new ones sold, presumably retained for the end warranty period etc.

 

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I think the next run of these will depend on how the Dapol 59 is received and how the rotating axle boxes work. If the modifications work well, then we could see the same modification done to the 66. I still believe that the 66 and the 59 are being made in the same factory, hence my comment.

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Its certainly designed differently.


if you look at the 59 EPs..

For starters it has opening cab doors unlike the 66. Additionally the bufferbeam and heads are moulded onto the body, with a clip on skirt ( leading to comments of unsightly-ness of a non-existsnt seamline across the front), where as the Hattons 66 has a fully removable front beam with separate buffers, there are no sign of front steps (missing) on the class 59, unlike the 66. The cab step/handrail looks to be chassis mounted on the 59 (and the lower handrails on the 59 are metal) making the body easily removable. Additionally the etch grills of the 66 vs moulded on the 59’s sides. The 59 was designed for smoke from the outset.

 

That said there are a few more obscure coincidences.. the jumper socket being a separate tooled fitting in an equally square designed plug in hole, and the hornbox with grill, as is the clip fit body approach.

 

My impression handling both the EPs at Warley in 2018 was the 66 felt more detail refined, the 59 more traditional. That said, some of the 66’s spares can be sourced / modified from Dapol class 121 parts, the gear box tower lid plastic moulding is definitely the same, just with 2 extra wings, and the shaft of the 121 is the same design, but in metal. The motor however is generic Chinese, and c£3 will find you an easy replacement on ebay, for all sorts of different industry applications.


Iirc Hattons response to the 59 question was to confirm it wasnt made by Dapol ( and I think they addressed the same with regard to Heljan too), but that wasn't the same thing as saying they arent made on the same Chinese factory floor… lets face it only so many factories make OO gauge, so theres going to be many business names here using the same handful of factory names there.

 

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6 hours ago, Tony Walker said:

I think the next run of these will depend on how the Dapol 59 is received and how the rotating axle boxes work. If the modifications work well, then we could see the same modification done to the 66. I still believe that the 66 and the 59 are being made in the same factory, hence my comment.

 

So Hattons are going to sit around indefinitely for the Dapol 59 to emerge before even beginning work on correcting their 66?  And then blatantly 'copy' whatever method Dapol have utilised?  What self-assured manufacturer would do that?  Seems highly unlikely.  More probable they'd want to get on with the job, resolve any issues and display confidence in one's own product and perhaps even have a second batch on the production line, I might have guessed...?

 

Al

 

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A quick look tonight suggests 12 Pink 66’s left..

 

i’m not sure that’ll ever get re-run, and aside of being pink, I dont think there is much wrong with it.

 

next after that is 66727, with 23.. but after that I guess were in for the long haul with 69 of 66731 left.

 

as for 66623 seems to be showing 134 !.. maybe they should comission a respray limited edition to absorb them all.

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12 hours ago, adb968008 said:

A quick look tonight suggests 12 Pink 66’s left..

 

i’m not sure that’ll ever get re-run, and aside of being pink, I dont think there is much wrong with it.

 

Yeah, not sure why people don't like it TBH, I think it looks good! Although I do gravitate towards bright colours.

 

It will be interesting to know what they do plan on doing on a 2nd run, there's not much not already covered other than celebs.

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12 hours ago, TomScrut said:

Yeah, not sure why people don't like it TBH, I think it looks good! Although I do gravitate towards bright colours.

 

It will be interesting to know what they do plan on doing on a 2nd run, there's not much not already covered other than celebs.

 

I finally picked up the pink one myself.  I wasn't convinced by the shade of pink when I saw the pre-production model on display at Warley - as it immediately struck me as being far too gaudy (which I did express to @Hattons Dave ) - and I was even less convinced when I received the model 'in the flesh'.  Okay, you can search Flickr for reference and to be fair be forgiven in that there are numerous photos that could argue either to be closer, but from seeing the livery 1-on-1 my mind's eye tells me that the container is much closer in terms of accuracy.  I'm happy to be proven wrong, but to me the 66 simply doesn't look right:

 

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Other liveries - Yes, it will indeed be interesting to see what new versions are selected.  Plenty of celebrity liveries for sure, and to be fair, plenty of the more run-of-the-mill variants, such as:

 

  • Standard EWS - with correct logos this time; and please, if you opt for any oddities such as odd-fitted/coloured doors etc then at least get those right, otherwise what's the point.  The devil is in the detail..  ;)
  • Freightliner - original livery with later cabside logos and updated headlight clusters (as currently running on the network).
  • Freightliner - current livery, correct shade of orange.
  • DB - large DB logo only livery
  • GBRf - numerous Euro 66 versions (opportunity for minor tooling variants as well there), plus we've only had one version of the 5-door variant.  I'm sure many of us would like more of those...
  • GBRf - current livery (minus Europort branding etc) - an army of those to gnaw at.
  • GBRf - 'Evening Star' - okay, a celebrity, but worthy of a mention by itself.  Yes, we know that Bachmann do a version, but they failed to update their model to the last build variant and for one it has the wrong sandboxes fitted - and is a dated model overall.
  • DRS - original livery on 5-door variant w/ bug eye headlights.
  • Fastline - not current, but an interesting one nonetheless.

 

Essentially, there are lots of variations over the standard liveries with different headlights over different builds and also standard and low-emission bodied.  The other factor to consider is that renumbering the ribbed bodysides (EWS, GBRf etc) is rather more tricky than renumbering a standard loco, so I'd guess that many might be reluctant to do so and instead be open to buy readily numbered versions - again, more opportunity for more releases. 

 

We could rant all day...  :D


Al 

 

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29 minutes ago, YesTor said:

 

 

Essentially, there are lots of variations over the standard liveries with different headlights over different builds and also standard and low-emission bodied.  We could rant want all day...


Al 

 

 

There - fixed it for you!

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28 minutes ago, YesTor said:

but from seeing the livery 1-on-1 my mind's eye tells me that the container is much closer in terms of accuracy.

 

I think you're right there. If that's a C rail container then I have made the same observation at home but good enough for me I think, it's not as bad as the orange one.

 

30 minutes ago, YesTor said:

with correct logos this time

 

Yes, that would help!

 

30 minutes ago, YesTor said:

Freightliner - current livery, correct shade of orange

 

And that!

 

30 minutes ago, YesTor said:

current livery (minus Europort branding etc)

 

Good point, not sure there are any of those done yet in post europorte livery.

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