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12 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

Several years ago, I was taught at work that regional managers would always find something wrong when doing their visit/inspection. If it was not something obvious, they would get fussy.

I feel some are this way when scrutinising models.

In my developer days I used to deliberately leave an error somewhere in a dataset..then show the results to the customer, if they didnt spot it, I would draw their attention to it, for later correction.
 

That way I was in the best position of influence of it still, but the customer went away feeling confident they had reviewed the work and done their QA. Everyone went away happy... it was reassuring.

 

Someone is always going to find a fault, no matter how good you think you've done it. The trick is to influence people, not control them. Theres no such thing as perfection and in reality you control little... If you try to be perfect someone will try to pull you down. same applies to models.


The thing is the black swan may still be there, or may not appear at all... but you didn't know it before and you still don't know after, but at least everyone goes away and sleeps ok at night not worrying about it.

 

 

 

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Gill Sans, in the bold weight is a perfect match for EWS text and numbers. How do I know? I've traced enough photos of the real things to make decals! I can't remember if I had to adjust the letter spacing or not (don't think I did from memory) but on the prototype both EWS and the number are the same typeface and the same weight.

If we're being really picky, not all 66s have the orange cantrail and gold bodyside stripe at the same height, this is noticeable of the hood section has gone back onto a different loco. Also of the same track, the grey roof on DB red locos finishes in a different place on the Stoke Marcroft repaints to the Toton ones.

 

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On ‎16‎/‎01‎/‎2020 at 03:27, YesTor said:

Unfortunately, yes.  Frustrating really as to why this was completely ignored, the font for EWS and 66XXX clearly of the same style, weight etc...

 

(PS...  Dave, please, please, pleeeeease sort out the EWS fonts for the next run...?!)

 

But according to some people, having to touch up is part of "modelling" and so complaints aren't valid in their eyes...

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7 minutes ago, Sir TophamHatt said:

But according to some people, having to touch up is part of "modelling" and so complaints aren't valid in their eyes...

 

If you're referring to my earlier comment about gluing axle boxes, you're taking it out of context. That's fairly basic stuff.

 

Reworking a livery, which in this case would require fairly complex masking, is another matter entirely. Just my 2p.

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11 hours ago, pinzaboy said:

Hi

As regards the discussion about the size and weight of numbers/letters on the side of EWS  66005 here is my photo of the loco and I think that the EWS letters are slightly thinner than the numerals. 

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Just skimming through this thread, re "width of numerals", I see clear yellow underneath the digits on the real thing but less on the model. To my eyes the model's digits are the right shape but just slightly too large all round. 

 

I could live with it personally but find it fascinating that we all see things slightly differently - and so, presumably, do those approving production.

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5 minutes ago, truffy said:

 

If you're referring to my earlier comment about gluing axle boxes, you're taking it out of context. That's fairly basic stuff.

 

Reworking a livery, which in this case would require fairly complex masking, is another matter entirely. Just my 2p.

I don’t think he’s referring to you.

More the condescending comment further up that if your not willing to sort the issues with this thing, you’re not really a modeller and should stick to the Bachmann / Hornby version.

 

seems to have confused warranty repairs with “ modelling “

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All this talk of liveries and numerals makes me think BR knew what they were doing with corporate blue:

  • Is it a loco? - paint it blue and give it a yellow front
  • Is it a unit? 
    • Is it on the Southern? or an Inter City unit paint it blue/grey and give it a yellow front
    • Is it elsewhere? paint it blue and give it a yellow front
  • Is it a coach? - paint it blue/grey with blue ends
  • Is it an NPCCS? -  paint it blue all over
  • Is it a loco/unit/coach/NPCCS - don't fully clean it until it's next visit to works

With regards the 66, Pinzaboy showed how subjective the thickness of numerals are with his pic of 66005 - his opinion was they were not all the same, it wasn't based on any fact just how it looks to him, which is what we all do don't we.

 

Hal Nail nails it - it's all subjective just like the livery colours, we all see things differently and even if all the color codes match and someone measures the numerals with a ruler and checks the changes of colour are in the right spot at the correct angle, someone is going to look and go 'that doesn't look right to them'.

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21 minutes ago, rob D2 said:

I don’t think he’s referring to you.

More the condescending comment further up that if your not willing to sort the issues with this thing, you’re not really a modeller and should stick to the Bachmann / Hornby version.

 

seems to have confused warranty repairs with “ modelling “

 

And one could argue a true modeller would start with Hornby/Lima and try and make better!

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11 hours ago, adb968008 said:

… I used to deliberately leave an error somewhere...

 

Someone is always going to find a fault, no matter how good you think you've done it. same applies to models.

 

53 minutes ago, Hal Nail said:

Should be capital "s".

:)

 

Hook, line and sinker, methinks...

 

Brilliant!

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11 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Someone is always going to find a fault, no matter how good you think you've done it. The trick is to influence people, not control them. Theres no such thing as perfection and in reality you control little... If you try to be perfect someone will try to pull you down. same applies to models.

 

The trick is to work out how much it matters. If a model sells by the thousand and there a couple of people unhappy on the interweb, well you just sit back on the pile of cash and decide you got the balance between fidelity and price about right. Perfection is possible but the harder you chase it, the higher the selling price and the less you sell. All models are a compromise, the challenge for a RTR manufacturer is to find the best one.

 

9 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

And one could argue a true modeller would start with Hornby/Lima and try and make better!

 

A REAL modeller would dig up their own ore from the garden, smelt their own steel and scratchbuild! Nothing else is acceptable!!! ;)

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As we are going to have to wait a while for our/my Hatton's 66s to arrive, I was wondering if there was any way of finding out the ship that will be bringing these to our shores. I seem to recall another delivery (Class 71?) being tracked across the seas, which helped pass a quiet afternoon...

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3 minutes ago, Harry Lime said:

As we are going to have to wait a while for our/my Hatton's 66s to arrive, I was wondering if there was any way of finding out the ship that will be bringing these to our shores. I seem to recall another delivery (Class 71?) being tracked across the seas, which helped pass a quiet afternoon...

I guess companies like Hattons and Rails would not share such sensitive information as it creates expectation.

 

For DJM it was a game to keep people onside.

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3 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

I guess companies like Hattons and Rails would not share such sensitive information as it creates expectation.

 

For DJM it was a game to keep people onside.

Like Voldemort, I was trying not to mention those three letters - you know it will trigger an outbreak of the keyboard jitterers!

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This is the only Bachmann 66 I have, I know this is weathered but hopefully it’ll be some help to some of you wanting/contemplating a Hattons 66. I personally am very happy with my Hattons 66 and as soon as I find the time, I shall be giving it a damn good weathering too. If anyone would like any more photos just let me know and I’ll see what I can do. Unfortunately, my iPad is the only way I can take/upload pictures at the moment.

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2 hours ago, Harry Lime said:

As we are going to have to wait a while for our/my Hatton's 66s to arrive, I was wondering if there was any way of finding out the ship that will be bringing these to our shores. I seem to recall another delivery (Class 71?) being tracked across the seas, which helped pass a quiet afternoon...

I’m already tracking your ship . At the moment it’s stationary off Somalia , and there’s lots of smaller boats coming to say hello and test run a 66 or two .

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Comparing photos of the real

locos against the Hattons web pages I think I’ve made my mind up to get 66088 with DB as it’s worked trains to Workington so fits well and Hattons look to have done well in matching the little warning stickers on doors etc. 66125 in EWS also looks spot on again with the nice little touches of details. One random thing I spotted on 66207 is on the side with 2 grills the yellow bands on the doors are the wrong way up. So don’t line up with the rest of the body side gold stripes at each end. I wonder how this occurred on the real loco unless it was masked and painted wrong? If they had swapped the door handles wouldn’t line up so a bit if a curiosity. 
 

Ive saved enough for 1 with sound so hopefully will have enough for the pair ahead of Glasgow. 
 

All the best 

Mark

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21 minutes ago, MRDBLUE17 said:

One random thing I spotted on 66207 is on the side with 2 grills the yellow bands on the doors are the wrong way up. So don’t line up with the rest of the body side gold stripes at each end. I wonder how this occurred on the real loco unless it was masked and painted wrong? If they had swapped the door handles wouldn’t line up so a bit if a curiosity. 


 

It’s deliberate(ish):

 

 

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4 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

And one could argue a true modeller would start with Hornby/Lima and try and make better!

That doesnt work because that would make me a proper modeller rather than the skinflint I am!

 

Although I normally end making them worse so you could actually be right.

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