RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted December 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2018 Video of the first test run to Diss 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Video of the first test run to Diss I guess i am about to become quite familiar with them.. Edited December 21, 2018 by LNERGE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted December 21, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2018 I guess i am about to become quite familiar with them.. Be a little while yet, but then that will be it - no variation except the number Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Turnbull Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 All I want are reasonably comfortable seats that line up with the windows. Is that too much to ask? Chris Turnbull 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Be a little while yet, but then that will be it - no variation except the number Think we've been here before........................? Remember the Brush Type 2 and East Anglia? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2018 All I want are reasonably comfortable seats that line up with the windows. Is that too much to ask? Yes* - get used to it. *The priority these days (as far as the DfT goes) is to (i) fit as many seats on as possible (with due regard to the need for wheelchair spaces etc) regardless of where the windows happen to be and (ii) use the DfT 'approved' seat to keep you safe should your train crash. Any franchise bidder not fulfilling this criteria is not going to be successful in the bidding process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) And every train they introduce is inferior to those they are replacing as a result. Buy a car instead*. * These won't have windows either once they're all autonomous. Edited December 22, 2018 by BernardTPM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) And every train they introduce is inferior to those they are replacing as a result. Buy a car instead*. Sad but true. I find myself driving most places nowadays as train travel is not the pleasure it used to be. Yes, I'm no doubt suffering from a bad case of "rose tinted spectacles", but I still can't forget hammering northwards towards Scotland behind a Deltic waiting to be called to the restaurant car for breakfast. Even trips to the south coast on VEP stock were memorable. Nowadays everything is plastic and uncomfortable. The point about the windows is a good one. It would be nice not to have your window three-quarters obscured by the seat in front. That's the point, it would be "nice", but it's obviously not "essential", so for that reason and a fistful of others I think I'll pass on train travel. I do sometimes struggle to be a railway enthusiast, as I'm obviously stuck in the past. Sadly, today's railway in the UK does nothing for me at all and excites me not one little bit.* Edit: * I'm certainly not saying that being stuck behind the wheel in a traffic jam is pleasurable. Queuing to go through security at Luton airport doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling either. Travelling, by whatever means, now seems to be a chore, not an adventure. I'm probably just getting old... Edited December 23, 2018 by Pete 75C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1985 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 And every train they introduce is inferior to those they are replacing as a result. Buy a car instead*. * These won't have windows either once they're all autonomous. The 755s as per the video are direct replacements for 153s and 156s. Stop and think about that ... As someone who commutes on Anglia MK3 sets at least three times each week, yes the IC70 seats are comfortable, but it's not all positive. Especially with the cl.90 pushing towards Norwich, the ride can be so lively and jolty, with lots of snatching, that it's hard to drink a tea or coffee. Not to mention the frequent cold and draughts from when someone somewhere left a door droplight open, and a vestibule sliding door is broken. I'm probably ambivalent about the 745s replacing the MK3 sets, but positively excited about the 755s replacing the Sprinters on the branches! J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 I thought that the Ic70 seat design was the worst seat design ever used in a British train. Do they still have them in the Anglia Mk3 coaches? I thought they were all replaced in various refurbishments many years ago. I don't especially like the current FGW Mk3 seats but they are a lot better than the original Ic70 seats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I thought that the Ic70 seat design was the worst seat design ever used in a British train. Do they still have them in the Anglia Mk3 coaches? I thought they were all replaced in various refurbishments many years ago. I don't especially like the current FGW Mk3 seats but they are a lot better than the original Ic70 seats. We should/ could start a thread on the IC70 seat in which the evolution of the design, especially during the late nineties, brought some massive improvements, certainly to comfort. Sadly, the Anglia IC70s, if that's what they are, and to original spec, don't sound like they have had the pleasure... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 The Mk.2 seats were better than the original Mk.3 seats (and they were the last coaches with universally good window spacing). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 The 755s as per the video are direct replacements for 153s and 156s. Stop and think about that ...And 170s... They look to be overall a huge leap forward for the East Anglia branches - maybe not a quantum leap from a 170, but still an improvement, and a huge leap forward from a 153/ 156. Won't they also be replacing some electric stock on the Harwich & Braintree lines? Or will those be the bombardier units? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 The Mk.2 seats were better than the original Mk.3 seats (and they were the last coaches with universally good window spacing). The XP64 seats (also described as MkII seats) were installed on 2Z - 2E, with the odd 2F also featuring them. The problem later in life was that they couldn't achieve the required fire performance without significant rework, and their design as an integral twin meant they had to be refurbished using very labour intensive traditional techniques. I agree that as a youth/ enthusiast they were cosy and could be slept in relatively easily. The IC70 seats were easy to overhaul and refinish to an as-new standard (I know, I processed maybe 100,000 of the things), and moreover, the cushion designs could be made very comfortable, certainly better than the uninspiring blocks of foam as originally used (I think the design intent may have been lost over subsequent overhauls in the eighties). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 What lunatic ever thought it was a good idea to fit the original IC70 seat with fixed arm rests when almost all the seats had fixed tables, that was a really great piece of design.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 What lunatic ever thought it was a good idea to fit the original IC70 seat with fixed arm rests when almost all the seats had fixed tables, that was a really great piece of design.... Ergonomic design lacking on that point, for sure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2018 What lunatic ever thought it was a good idea to fit the original IC70 seat with fixed arm rests when almost all the seats had fixed tables, that was a really great piece of design.... Yeah I'd agree there, is a bit like the slam door/stoplights issue, one of the niggles that let it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 I think the Mk.3 provides a valuable lesson when judging new rolling stock - don't be too hasty in making a judgement. When the Mk.3 coaches were new they had awful seats, it was the coach that abandoned lining up all seats with windows, the air-con system wasn't great, there was that awful brake smell and no doubt other criticisms. In these days of venerating the Mk.3 as the supreme achievement of BR it tends to be forgotten just how criticised they were by many when new. And of course most enthusiasts hated HSTs for being buggies and displacing Deltics and other loco hauled trains. Over time the seating was improved as the original seats were refurbished, people grew accustomed to the window issue and the coaches virtues such as a very smooth ride quality came to the fore. The design was also very well engineered in terms of safety. When I look at newer trains maybe we will never grow to like them but it is quite possible that as they drop down the initial leg of the bath tub curve and settle into service and we grow accustomed to them we will look back on them as excellent trains. I don't remember enthusiasts in particular being positive about the 156's when they were new yet they are another well regarded train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) I certainly remember how awkward the central armrest was on the Mk.3s and the tables didn't have the coffin shape that made entry and exit easier either. Personally I'd rate the Mk.2e as the pinnacle from the Second Class passenger's point of view. Like it or not, air-conditioning does make the train a lot quieter. I disliked the off-white plastic interior panels of the Mk.2fs (the textured surface quickly got grubby) compared to the real wood veneer previously used. The Mk.3s have the edge in ride comfort and the automatic interior doors were generally a boon and, of course, there was the whole journey shortening package of the HST (still faster in the early 1980s than the scheduled new electric timings on the WR). Mk.3s do have reasonably narrow window pillars, partly thanks to their strong, if complex, multi-member structural design which allieviates to a fair degree the alignment problem. Edited December 23, 2018 by BernardTPM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) Why do we waste money on foreign trains that don't fit our loading gauge? Crazy. If reports elsewhere are correct then it isn't the manufacturer's fault. It is said that the three long established ROSCOs were aware of the Ipswich tunnel and other clearance issues and would have spec'd the trains accordingly. However GA apparently chose a cheaper bid from a party who seemingly didn't understand the clearance issues ahead of time and apparently failed to make the necessary checks before placing the order. The manufacturer reportedly has delivered what was specified. If that's all correct then expect a big bun fight over who pays to fix it. My learned friends are reportedly buying bigger wallets. Edited December 23, 2018 by DY444 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggie in the east Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Just to advise you all, test trains running to/from diss and norwich between 09:00 and 15:00 tomorrow, between existing services. At the moment, under diesel power only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 To save time for anyone who's interested, I've quickly pulled this from realtime trains and added the appropriate 'codes; 5Q61 0903 Norwich CP to Diss http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91842/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q62 0938 Diss to Trowse Jn http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91843/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q63 1006 Trowse Jn to Diss http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91844/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q64 1038 Diss to Trowse Jn http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91845/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q65 1106 Trowse Jn to Diss http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91846/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q66 1138 Diss to Diss Recp http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91847/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q67 1221 Diss Recp to Diss http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91848/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q68 1238 Diss to Trowse Jn http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91849/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q69 1306 Trowse Jn to Diss http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91850/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q70 1338 Diss to Trowse Jn http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91851/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q71 1406 Trowse Jn to Diss http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91852/2019/01/11/advanced 5Q72 1435 Diss to Norwich CP http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K91853/2019/01/11/advanced Hopefully I've got those right. The usual disclaimers apply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 Looks like the daytime paths might be cancelled and very early morning running is happening again tonight (as in Thursday morning) Correction - might be cancelled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 I was supposed to be on ROG rescue loco but I'm actually on the sick , not missing much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2019 10/01/2019 Tivetshall (station site and Hales Street) 755405 on 5Q61, 09:03, Norwich C.PT. T.&R.S.M.D - Diss (09:31) - first Southbound day time solo run and 755405 on 5Q62, 09:38, Diss - Trowse Jn (09:59) - first Northbound day time solo run 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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