RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Classsix T said: I've had two journeys now with which there's been a noticeable "clunk" as the unit sways on track undulations. I'm more often than not in the rear carriage to Needham and lead coach to Stowmarket, the driver must be aware of this. A suspension failure has been mentioned previously, do we know if this was spring or yaw damper related? There's no "active" (ie powered) suspension on these is there? C6T. Sounds like secondary suspension if it is is transmitting to the vehicle body. (And why should it just be us having to put up with it on Crossrail 345s if the situation isn't repeated in other new designs? ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) Basil - 755337 - has sat down (for the second time today) at Kennett but once again has been recovered by the driver. Edited January 28, 2020 by beast66606 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
17A Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, beast66606 said: https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020-01-28/operation-underway-to-free-hundreds-stuck-on-board-a-new-greater-anglia-train/?fbclid=IwAR0HUG9MYTEaFl9d47xQPOZm9xqk6x90GwrlyfrvIfX8jcIr40gJTQTOKpg https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-51283746 Hold the phone, isn't the 7:40 one of the new Norwich to London Liverpool Street services in 90 minutes...… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Sounds like secondary suspension if it is is transmitting to the vehicle body. (And why should it just be us having to put up with it on Crossrail 345s if the situation isn't repeated in other new designs? ) Sorry Mike, poor reporting on my part. It's noticeably audible rather than tactile through the source-frame-seat. Quite alarming though nonetheless. It appears to be linked to body roll so I suspect, like you, a bogie - body interface gremlin. C6T. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) The broken down Flirt has been dumped just city side of Stratford and the knock on from this morning's failure is causing cancellations this evening. Second night in a row after points failure last night. 10A is closed, presume Flirt is blocking the line? Edited January 28, 2020 by ruggedpeak update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2020 6 hours ago, beast66606 said: 745010 has failed at Forest Gate and 37611 is attending for the rescue. And a right royal mess it has caused for the entire day. Still suffering delays and cancellations. All trains moving past the casualty were cautioned due to staff on the tracks. The 20mph Stratford - Forest Gate limit did nothing to improve timekeeping and was not explained to the frustrated crowds waiting at Stratford. 37611 attempted to couple at the east (country) end. When I passed there were still a few folk on board who appeared to be passengers. And there were some puzzled-looking orange-clad people milling around the 37. Freights were queued from Forest Gate back to Ilford. Up fast trains were crossed to the slow “electric” line at Ilford possibly using the carriage road to Manor Park. Upon my return some hours later 37611 was at Stratford station but the F**t had gone. Up fasts were still using the Up Electric and a freight was still waiting at Forest Gate on the Up Main. Of passing interest a Goblin 710 was noted on the spur at Woodgrange Park. Has that been parked there since the route was blocked (and if so why can it not use Platform 1 in Barking station?). Or was it too awaiting a path up through Forest Gate (if so where would it be going? South Tottenham via the Lea Valley?). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 train breaks down this morning and GA is in meltdown. And they let almost empty Norwich InterCity sets to carry on through and not pick up at Stratford despite crowded platforms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, ruggedpeak said: 1 train breaks down this morning and GA is in meltdown. And they let almost empty Norwich InterCity sets to carry on through and not pick up at Stratford despite crowded platforms. That does seem odd. Out in carrot crunching land they've put in an additional stop for the Peterborough service at Needham if the Cambridge job is up the poke. They can't proffer the keep all other services on time regardless argument, their loco hire, NR penalties and delay repay costs negate any of that. Not to mention FL are gonna want their pound of flesh. Farcical, something I thought happened on other folks lines, not mine. C6T. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 5 hours ago, tetsudofan said: Oh dear, hope they get everything sorted by the middle of April as I'm booked on a UK Railtours charter (hauled by Clan Line) from Kings X to Norwich on Saturday April 18th with a 4 1/2 hour break at Norwich during which time I was thinking of a trip to and from Lowestoft on one of the new units. Don't fancy the idea of being marooned at Lowestoft or somewhere else in between and missing dinner on the charter back to London!! Keith Well, if the trains go all mammaries akimbo there is a frequent (half hourly) limited stop bus service which will get you back to Norwich in an hour and a quarter so you needn't worry about being trapped in Lowestoft, which let's face it is a nightmare prospect for anyone at anytime. Even when I lived in Norfolk I avoided Lowestoft as much as possible. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, wombatofludham said: Well, if the trains go all mammaries akimbo there is a frequent (half hourly) limited stop bus service which will get you back to Norwich in an hour and a quarter so you needn't worry about being trapped in Lowestoft, which let's face it is a nightmare prospect for anyone at anytime. Even when I lived in Norfolk I avoided Lowestoft as much as possible. The Triangle Tavern is worth getting trapped in....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 Another Basil has sat down at Kennett - Kennett is the Basiluda Triangle. Suggestion that 3-car sets may be suffering from some form of interference which may need some immunisation work - note this is a rumour 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad79 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 26/01/2020 at 07:23, Pete 75C said: Yes, lets. Personally, I think they are starting to settle down. A whole fleet of new trains with good reliability from day one... historically, has that ever happened? Like them or loathe them, we're stuck with them. Really they are settling down? not a day goes by on the Norfolk local lines without some fault per shift Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 What a palaver I struggle to understand how it took 5 hours before being de-trained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bucoops said: What a palaver I struggle to understand how it took 5 hours before being de-trained. And if we believe the comments above they can get bailiffs down to the train to keep people on it but can't get anyone there who can do anything useful. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Siggie in the east said: It's been there since 9:15! All the passengers are still on it and land sheriffs have had to attend the scene to stop people forcing the doors open and leaving the train. To make things worse, the 37 tried to couple up, messed it all up and caused an air leak, so tried a different coupler and it wouldn't work. So not sure what the plan is next but a train from Liv St. is being prepped to go and help remove the passengers. This is getting worse as the days go by. Not looking forward to work tomorrow Bloody land sheriffs, in their minds they think they look and act like robocop, to everyone else the look and act like paddy and max! 3 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 Tonight (yet) another Basil - 755328 - has sat down at Kennett although again the driver has recovered the situation and got it moving. I am definitely staying away from Kennett. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 I'm taking the ploughs for a test on Thursday, could be interesting if one fails ahead of it and behind... check mate! https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R00802/2020-01-30/detailed 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Bucoops said: What a palaver I struggle to understand how it took 5 hours before being de-trained. The train came to a stand between stations on a very busy section of four-track main line. There is no end-door egress from these trains meaning that the only option available is to de-train to one side or another. In this location that would require shutting all four lines (for safety) for around an hour which would have caused much more dislocation and chaos than having one train blocking one line. In the end and with the failure of the rescue loco to rescue the failure owing to coupling issues the only sensible decision was to evacuate train-to-train alongside which at least allows two lines to continue in operation. Whether that decision should or could have been taken much sooner is for an enquiry to determine. I certainly understand the frustration, anger and distress of passengers being trapped aboard a train for hours. It has happened more than once recently and on each occasion someone has said it must never happen again. And yet it has. Fortunately, perhaps, not on a hot day with air-conditioning shut down and no drinking water available. As a minimum all trains other than those on purely local trips (let's say scheduled for less than an hour) should carry an emergency supply of drinking water appropriate to the likely numbers aboard. OK it takes a little space and a cupboard might have to be found somewhere to store it but how many more long-term issues are we going to have before there is a fatal medical emergency on board? Scottish trains used do (and I believe still do) carry emergency hampers in case they become stuck in winter weather. Such things might need to be looked at for wider use. And no, we cannot rely upon the catering trolley/buffet because there isn't always one aboard. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gwiwer said: The train came to a stand between stations on a very busy section of four-track main line. There is no end-door egress from these trains meaning that the only option available is to de-train to one side or another. In this location that would require shutting all four lines (for safety) for around an hour which would have caused much more dislocation and chaos than having one train blocking one line. In the end and with the failure of the rescue loco to rescue the failure owing to coupling issues the only sensible decision was to evacuate train-to-train alongside which at least allows two lines to continue in operation. Whether that decision should or could have been taken much sooner is for an enquiry to determine. I certainly understand the frustration, anger and distress of passengers being trapped aboard a train for hours. It has happened more than once recently and on each occasion someone has said it must never happen again. And yet it has. Fortunately, perhaps, not on a hot day with air-conditioning shut down and no drinking water available. As a minimum all trains other than those on purely local trips (let's say scheduled for less than an hour) should carry an emergency supply of drinking water appropriate to the likely numbers aboard. OK it takes a little space and a cupboard might have to be found somewhere to store it but how many more long-term issues are we going to have before there is a fatal medical emergency on board? Scottish trains used do (and I believe still do) carry emergency hampers in case they become stuck in winter weather. Such things might need to be looked at for wider use. And no, we cannot rely upon the catering trolley/buffet because there isn't always one aboard. Sorry but carrying water against a possible problem is a non starter to my mind. I can have nearly 500 people on a full and standing 4 car 158. Small bottles of water come in cases of 24. We carry a supply through the summer when air con may not be able to cope, more than 5 cases I can barely get in the cab. So a 12 car commuter service could easily have well upwards of 1000 on board. More like half a coach to store enough water!? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tetsudofan Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 3 hours ago, wombatofludham said: Well, if the trains go all mammaries akimbo there is a frequent (half hourly) limited stop bus service which will get you back to Norwich in an hour and a quarter so you needn't worry about being trapped in Lowestoft, which let's face it is a nightmare prospect for anyone at anytime. Even when I lived in Norfolk I avoided Lowestoft as much as possible. Slightly thanks for the info regarding the limited stop bus, I was thinking about that as a back-up but had not investigated it. Know what you mean about Lowestoft but it played a small part in my life. Grandad was a fitter at 32C and lived at the end of Denmark Road overlooking the railway so he was to blame for my interest in trains as we spent many an hour in the front bedroom watching the trains during our summer holidays. I'm told that at 3 1/2 years old I was sent to live with the grandparents and when I returned home (in SE London) six months later I found that I had a baby brother! Am also told that I returned home with a Suffolk accent but I soon lost it back in London. Pity really! Keith 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 The Mk2 aircons used to have a stack of water in the luggage area since a lot of the time they were not aircon. I guess the new inter-city units don't have luggage space or a van like a DVT, DBSO etc... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 28, 2020 One thing which seems not very useful on the Basil's is that it takes about 20mins to reboot them.... Yes that is 20 mins. Who on earth designed the software to require such a long reboot time? Its probably ok on a quiet railway in the foothills of the Alps, but over here that is just going to screw traffic. I do wonder what actually gets put in the tender documents as a specification.... Andy G 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 9 hours ago, russ p said: I'm taking the ploughs for a test on Thursday, could be interesting if one fails ahead of it and behind... check mate! https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R00802/2020-01-30/detailed Last time I was passing Riverside, both ploughs were facing the same direction. Do you connect to the first plough, turn around at Crown Point, then come back to put the 2nd on the other end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Held at the Brandon level crossing by a 755/3 in service on it's way to Norwich at 0630 this morning. First time I've noticed a /3 with customers on the Breckland line. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2020 There were a lot of postings on the Anglia Facebook pages but I think I'm right in saying that aside from the above mentioned a further Basil had problems at Kennett but the driver recovered the situation and it limped on with one engine. 06:00 ex Norwich cancelled because of yesterdays train fault apparently (I'm not convinced) 05:40, Colchester - Peterborough required a reboot at Thurston but is running Ok (for) now ... albeit 20 late. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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