Greater Anglia's Stadler Flirt - Class 745 & 755

[beast66606]

1 hour ago, beast66606 said:

 

It's recovered and gone to Norwich as 5 P00 

1Z99 has recessed in the low level sidings at Norwich.

 

755407 was the unit concerned.

It failed (but was restarted) at Cromer - interestingly 37800 was the rescue loco, which is not permitted North of Walsham, so a long tow rope was going to be needed for that recovery.

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by beast66606
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[rodent279]

4 hours ago, phil-b259 said:

 

More 

 

 

Only because the Romans numerical system had no way of recording zero! 

 

Each day between 1 and 365 still fell into year zero, day 366 being the first day of year one....

 

....There was also technically a day zero - it doesn’t become day one until 24 hours have elapsed...

 

... and an hour zero...

 

... etc...

 

 

The concept of zero as a valid number is one of the many concepts invented by Islamic scholars that have proved very useful today (particularly with the invention of computing) and rather disprove notions that said religion is entirely ‘backward’ as it were. 

All slightly pointless really, as we are measuring time from the birth of someone whose birth date we don't really know!

And in year 0, years had 355 (?) days. A year didn't become 365 days until well after the Romans. So it's all rather arbitrary really, but hey, who cares, it's an excuse for a party.

[DRS Crewe On A Mission]

2 hours ago, beast66606 said:

 

755407 was the unit concerned.

It failed (but was restarted) at Cromer - interestingly 37800 was the rescue loco, which is not permitted North of Walsham, so a long tow rope was going to be needed for that recovery.

 

 

Thanks very much for the info. 

 

Out of interest was 37611 the failed 37 and thus 37800 was sent as 1Z99?

 

I wonder why 37800 wasn't permitted to travel further than Walsham? 

 

Thanks in advance. 

 

Kind Regards, 

 

Danny. 

[Siggie in the east]

1 hour ago, DRS Crewe On A Mission said:

 

Thanks very much for the info. 

 

Out of interest was 37611 the failed 37 and thus 37800 was sent as 1Z99?

 

I wonder why 37800 wasn't permitted to travel further than Walsham? 

 

Thanks in advance. 

 

Kind Regards, 

 

Danny. 

I assumed the 37 heading out of colchester was 37611 as that's been the one stabled for the duration so far and heard that 37800 was the failed one but it was passing us at quick speed and didnt clock the number so the statement above is probably right.

I think it's due to axle weights but not sure.

 

Thanks

[uax6]

37's of the sub classes 0/3/4/5 and 6 are allowed all the way, 37's of the sub classes 7 and 9 are not allowed past Walsham.

Going off wiki, the 0/3/4/5/6 are 107T, giving something like a 17.8T axle weight, the 7/9's are ballasted to 122T giving a 20.3T axle load..... (The axle loads are guesses, the axles could actually have unbalanced weights...

 

So is 37800 a 7 or a 9?

 

Andy G

[beast66606]

2 minutes ago, uax6 said:

So is 37800 a 7 or a 9?

 

37/7

[Zomboid]

37/9 were the re-engined ones (trial for the never built 38?), or has the sub class been reused since then?

[RP82]

20 minutes ago, Zomboid said:

37/9 were the re-engined ones (trial for the never built 38?), or has the sub class been reused since then?

Dunno about the subclass been reused but yes the engines were trialed for the proposed the class 38. I hear the straight 6 Mirrlees Blackstone in 37901-904 is identical to the 8 cylinder prime mover in the class 60s.

[beast66606]

OHLE problems on Thursday 13/02 were causing service issues, but with the new delivery being diesel hauled it managed to get passed the problem area (just North of Colchester)

 

This delivery leaves 1 x 745 (110) and 1 x 755 (403) still to arrive in the UK.

 

13 February 2020

Great Moulton

66002 and 745109 on 5Q99, 03:43, Ripple Lane Exch Sdgs - Norwich C.PT. T.&R.S.M.D (08:23) - new unit delivery

 

[beast66606]

Great Moulton

13 February 2020

755406 on 5Q61, 08:04, Norwich C.PT. T.&R.S.M.D - Ipswich Down And Up Goods (08:52)

and
755333 on 5P08, 09:34, Ipswich - Norwich C.PT. T.&R.S.M.D (10:15) - ECS

 

755406 must be close to entering service as it's been out testing a lot recently.

 

 

[beast66606]

Great Moulton

14 February 2020

 

755423 on 5P99, 09:05, Norwich C.PT. T.&R.S.M.D - Diss (09:26) - unit under test, on diesel

 

 

755327 on 5Y80, 10:33, Norwich C.PT. T.&R.S.M.D - Ipswich H.S. (11:36) - ECS

 

 

755406 on 5Q65, 14:13, Norwich C.PT. T.&R.S.M.D - Ipswich Down And Up Goods (14:56) - unit under test

 

 

[beast66606]

Great Moulton

14 February

 

745007 on 1P18, 10:00, London Liverpool Street - Norwich (11:48)

 

 

745010 on 1P33, 11:30, Norwich - London Liverpool Street (13:17)

 

 

745009 on 5Q92, 14:11, Colchester - Norwich T.C. (15:46) - vice London Liverpool Street (13:11)

 

 

[russ p]

I'm not sure if 800 has had the extra weights removed will check next time I'm on it

The restrictions north of walsham hasn't stopped WCR and DCR taking stuff like 37/7s and 56s to sheringham on a few occasions 

Tornado went and was later found out it shouldn't have done

[DRS Crewe On A Mission]

11 hours ago, Siggie in the east said:

I assumed the 37 heading out of colchester was 37611 as that's been the one stabled for the duration so far and heard that 37800 was the failed one but it was passing us at quick speed and didnt clock the number so the statement above is probably right.

I think it's due to axle weights but not sure.

 

Thanks

 

Thanks for confirming that. 

 

That also explains the need for a 37/6 to be a thunderbird along with a 37/7. 

 

At least between a 37/6 and 37/7 they should be able to travel on all of the lines/routes in Anglia. 

[richardw1970]

Interesting seeing the recent photo's of 745's all seem to show running with rear pantograph in use, the Hitachi units passing through York always seem to use the leading pantograph.

 

I know at one time it was thought best to use the rear in the hope that if anything damaged the rear one the front one would have passed the problem area undamaged. The reasoning I was given up here for the opposite was that it is better to use the front one so the driver gets earlier warning of any overhead damage.

 

I can see logic in both methods, just seems a little inconsistent for two modern trains to take the opposite approach to it.

[russ p]

7 hours ago, russ p said:

I'm not sure if 800 has had the extra weights removed will check next time I'm on it

The restrictions north of walsham hasn't stopped WCR and DCR taking stuff like 37/7s and 56s to sheringham on a few occasions 

Tornado went and was later found out it shouldn't have done

 

Been assured by the owner that 800 does still have the weights,  apparently it's the only GEC 37/7 left 

[Siggie in the east]

2 hours ago, richardw1970 said:

Interesting seeing the recent photo's of 745's all seem to show running with rear pantograph in use, the Hitachi units passing through York always seem to use the leading pantograph.

 

I know at one time it was thought best to use the rear in the hope that if anything damaged the rear one the front one would have passed the problem area undamaged. The reasoning I was given up here for the opposite was that it is better to use the front one so the driver gets earlier warning of any overhead damage.

 

I can see logic in both methods, just seems a little inconsistent for two modern trains to take the opposite approach to it.

Everytime I've seem a 745 pass Colchester PSB on the juice it has always used the rear pan, in both directions. I will ask someone in the know probably a driver on the gsm-r) and find out.

 

Thanks

[DRS Crewe On A Mission]

2 hours ago, russ p said:

 

Been assured by the owner that 800 does still have the weights,  apparently it's the only GEC 37/7 left 

 

Thank you very much for finding out and posting. It's very interesting that 800 has retained it's weights and is the only one to do so. 

[beast66606]

75334 has failed on the way to Norwich, at, or near, CO891 (effectively Trowse home signal) - after a reasonably good week 37800 is back on 1Z99 duty, currently approaching Stowmarket heading for the rescue.

Edited February 16, 2020 by beast66606

[russ p]

I'm supposed to be on afternoon colchester Thunderbird on Wednesday,  hope there is something to do rather than sitting about all afternoon and evening 

[corneliuslundie]

I assume the passengers would prefer if you were not needed.

Jonathan

[caradoc]

3 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

I assume the passengers would prefer if you were not needed.

Jonathan

 

Most certainly, but not all; I would be rather pleased (as long as I was not in a hurry) to be on a failed train assisted by a massive 37 !

[beast66606]

Now that the Great Yarmouth (via Acle) line is opened the Basils have fallen like flies.

 

Ipswich / Felixstowe services decimated for most of the day.

Yarmouths - services cancelled.

 

37800 heading for Cambridge as 1Z99 to recover a unit.

 

(last week was) so near and yet so far.

 

Looks like Russ will get his wish

[DRS Crewe On A Mission]

2 hours ago, beast66606 said:

Now that the Great Yarmouth (via Acle) line is opened the Basils have fallen like flies.

 

Ipswich / Felixstowe services decimated for most of the day.

Yarmouths - services cancelled.

 

37800 heading for Cambridge as 1Z99 to recover a unit.

 

(last week was) so near and yet so far.

 

Looks like Russ will get his wish

 

Wow, this does sound quite exceptional for new trains. I wonder if the basils are breaking some sort of record for the amount of failings per day for new trains or just overall in general the amount of failings during the introduction of new trains. 

 

Not good news for passengers, but undoubtedly Russ will have something to do on Wednesday. 

[Siggie in the east]

23 hours ago, beast66606 said:

75334 has failed on the way to Norwich, at, or near, CO891 (effectively Trowse home signal) - after a reasonably good week 37800 is back on 1Z99 duty, currently approaching Stowmarket heading for the rescue.

I was the siggie on duty having to clear that up last night..... bloomin Basils!