Class 43 Photos HST 🇬🇧, XPT 🇦🇺 & HST 🇲🇽

[newbryford]

2 minutes ago, big jim said:

I messaged Mick earlier saying in my opinion it needed a yellow end, something didn’t look right to me but that wrap round window is spot on, that’s what was missing! 
 

maybe a splash of red on the lower nose cone instead of a red bufferbeam 

 

Or (red painted) buffer fitted power cars......

[Davexoc]

43186 and 43153 heading west towards Newton Abbot Saturday 8/8

 

[vulcan product fan]

43177 and 43139 running through York today.

[GWRPhil]

Here’s a video of recent xc hst on hemerdon bank. It’s the Plymouth to Leeds service

 

 

[smithlington smithe]

43014 leading and 43062 on the rear passing Hellifield on 6th September,1000 Derby to Heaton.

cheers 

 

David

[Trainshed Terry]

5 hours ago, Richard Croft said:

voyager

 

I bet it sounded better than a voyager.

 

Terry.

[Steadfast]

I've also stuck this in the prototype for everything thread, but should be of interest here too.

Triple headed HST by Steadfast Fotography, on Flickr

Another trio of power cars off for overhaul, power door controls and some shiny green paint, 43029 leads 43027 and 43022 away from Westerleigh Junction running as 5E23 from Laira to Doncaster. Presumably the two trailers (42087 and 42580) are in line for the power door treatment. 47815 'Lost Boys 68 - 88' was bringing up the rear of this ROG operated move. I reckon this will be my last photo of an FGW blue power car, 14 years after the livery first appeared.

 

Jo

Edited September 15, 2020 by Steadfast

[GWRPhil]

Found this whilst trawling through my old YouTube uploads. Taken 11 years ago. Not a great video but the only one I have of grand central hst 

 

 

[GWRPhil]

Here’s a video of East Midlands hst leaving at Pancras. 
 

 

[GWRPhil]

Here’s one of the nmt passing through York ten years ago

 

 

[GWRPhil]

And one of hst leaving Paddington platform 1 about 5 years ago

 

 

[GWRPhil]

Hst departure from reading with original livery power car on rear. 
 

 

[4630]

Now with Colas for use with Network Rail infrastructure monitoring trains, former East Midlands Railway 43050 and 43060 passing through Brighouse on 22nd October 2020 with 1Q67, 16.50 Doncaster CHS to Wigan North Western.

 

 

 

[GWRPhil]

1 hour ago, 4630 said:

Now with Colas for use with Network Rail infrastructure monitoring trains, former East Midlands Railway 43050 and 43060 passing through Brighouse on 22nd October 2020 with 1Q67, 16.50 Doncaster CHS to Wigan North Western.

 

 

 

I wonder if they’re gonna get a full repaint into colas colours?

[newbryford]

On 04/10/2020 at 13:41, GWRPhil said:

Here’s one of the nmt passing through York ten years ago

 

 

 

Not often seen as a 2+4 formation

[big jim]

 

16 minutes ago, newbryford said:

 

Not often seen as a 2+4 formation

 

conference car missing so has also to run at a reduced speed 

 

[GWRPhil]

8 hours ago, big jim said:

 

 

conference car missing so has also to run at a reduced speed 

 

May sound a daft question but why without the conference car would it have to run at lower speed?

[keefer]

With only 4 coaches, it has to run at reduced speed due to the reduced brake force available. 5 coaches is the minimum for full-speed running.

The fact that one coach is missing is the relevant factor, on this occasion it just happens to be the conference coach.

 

[big jim]

Totally agree with what you are saying rule book wise yes it’s a reduced speed because of the short formation 

 

however the conference car missing from the NMT formation has a different set of stand alone rules too, even if the formation is made back up to 5 vehicles with the spare coach it has to run at reduced speed due to the enhanced brake on the conference car not being available (or something like that, not driven it for over 2 years now!)

[keefer]

Ah interesting!

Didn't realise that individual coaches would differ in that way

[GWRPhil]

4 hours ago, big jim said:

Totally agree with what you are saying rule book wise yes it’s a reduced speed because of the short formation 

 

however the conference car missing from the NMT formation has a different set of stand alone rules too, even if the formation is made back up to 5 vehicles with the spare coach it has to run at reduced speed due to the enhanced brake on the conference car not being available (or something like that, not driven it for over 2 years now!)

What’s the reason for the conference car having enhanced braking?

[keefer]

ISTR the mk3s having 2-stage braking whereby there's standard air braking up to a certain speed but above that, a higher brake pressure operates to allow sufficient braking at high speed.

So if, for some reason the higher pressure isn't available, then max speed is reduced to 100mph

I think it's something along those lines but anyone please feel free to correct me!

@Bob Reid will probably know as I'm sure this sort of thing was mentioned in the context of the E-G push-pulls

[big jim]

5 hours ago, GWRPhil said:

What’s the reason for the conference car having enhanced braking?

 

I think that may be a mistake on my behalf, it’s actually loco hauled MK3 coach 977994 which has an unbraked bogie which if like UTU coaches means the other braked bogie has enhanced brakes

 

however the conference car conundrum continues........

I just happen to have this sat in my bedside cabinet (as you do!) 

 

It’s a bit of a strange one as it lists the various coaches that can be worked in the NMT and it says “975814 conference car - no notable features”

 

However in the train speeds section it says “if 975814 is not in the formation then speed is restricted to below 10mph below line speed” 

 

The same rule applies to 977994 Too

 

i suppose it could be open to interpretation, as in, 975814 is not there hence the train is now a 4 car formation and as keefer says open to rule book speeds however why single out the conference car when any vehicle removed would make it a 4 car set resulting in a speed reduction (10mph below line speed down to 30mph) 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steadfast]

Those Colas power cars are on Mk2s with a mk1 Genny, not the NMT. I wonder how that affects train speeds?

 

Jo

[big jim]

the gennys and plp are 100mph max, it’s only the UTU coaches that are 75mph max, again subject to short formation speeds