Porcy Mane Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, 071 said: Apologies. No need. Only posted in jest. Sorry to hear about the bereavement having been there many times before. Giving work (and the interwebby) a rest might help. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 A big parcel arrived from Accurascale this morning (well 3 actually, but that's something to be sorted) and although a little distressed at the delay, the wait was worth it. Even better news, my Durham north slow loop will accommodate 26 + Brake + EE type 4. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2019 I often wonder how old models ended up as out of scale as they did. I can understand sharing components to fit, so compromise was made to suit, but the Triangle Cemflo looks a pretty unique tooling. Maths hasn’t changed, 4mm still equals 1ft, there’s certainly was more prototypes to compare against, and blue prints would have existed, so how come the measurements can be off so much, is it simply a case of not caring because other models were equally inaccurate back in those days ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, adb968008 said: I often wonder how old models ended up as out of scale as they did. Not that out of scale. As someone who has 'stretched' a good number of these old CEMFLOs, the only major dimensional error is the overall length; (as far as I recall, a straight 10mm.). The body stands too high, and the chassis is to wide overall, because the body has a moulded-in floor and solebars to represent the fairly unusual detail of the prototype. It sits on a chassis that was used for a number of other models; (which probably accounts for the wagon being too short). Considering the basic model consists of three mouldings, plus wheels and couplings, it was for it's day a remarkably good attempt at portraying a specialist wagon. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited March 25, 2019 by cctransuk 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Not that out of scale. As someone who has 'stretched' a good number of these old CEMFLOs, the only major dimensional error is the overall length; (as far as I recall, a straight 10mm.). The body stands too high, and the chassis is to wide overall, because the body has a moulded-in floor and solebars to represent the fairly unusual detail of the prototype. It sits on a chassis that was used for a number of other models; (which probably accounts for the wagon being too short). Considering the basic model consists of three mouldings, plus wheels and couplings, it was for it's day a remarkably good attempt at portraying a specialist wagon. Regards, John Isherwood. Nice stuff. Your Triang upgrades do not look out of place in a rake with Accurscales. At least to my eyes anyway. I wonder if Accurscale will release the same livery as yours some day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JSpencer said: I wonder if Accurscale will release the same livery as yours some day? Thank you for your kind comments. Mine are the earlier build, with different suspension to the Accurascale ones. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited March 25, 2019 by cctransuk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Thank you for your kind comments. Mine are the earlier build, with different suspension to the Accurascale ones. Regards, John Isherwood. Ah ok. So new tooling will be required as well too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, JSpencer said: Ah ok. So new tooling will be required as well too. Actually a different manufacturer, Gloucester C & W. The Accurascale are Metro Cammell. There are a number of differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted March 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) On 23/03/2019 at 16:46, drjcontroller said: It's probably a bit early to be asking this but has anyone re-gauged their Cemflos to EM or P4? I've been fiddling about for a couple of hours this afternoon with one and have so far failed spectacularly to achieve this using Gibson replacement EM wheelsets. There's a plastic collar on the rear of the W-iron which I have thinned down and used a reaming tool to deepen the hole for the axle pinpoint but I still can't get the wheelset to run freely. I've actually gone through to the outside of the axlebox though it's not really noticeable. I'll have another go tomorrow as I've reached the point where I'm getting somewhat frustrated with it. Douglas Last evening I did 2 of the 3-pack bought at Ally Pally on Saturday. In both cases I reduced the boss behind each w-iron by c0.7mm (razor saw/sanding stick). Tried 26mm pinpoints (Gibson EM 3-hole discs) which pushed the w-irons out and were too tight to turn. So then tried the pair of 'Lima/short' Gibsons (about 24.5mm over pin points) I had and all was fine, free-running, no issues with brake shoes, etc. The 2nd one I did by regauging the Accurascale wheelsets to EM - the wheels can be shifted/hoiked outwards on the axle until an EM b2b gauge fits and again, free-running once installed with the reduced bosses. The Accurascale wheels are a very similar profile and thickness to the Gibsons I usually use, so do run fine on my EM track at least! Be careful when handling the wagon during any work on the chassis - the body to chassis join is simply clips (no glue on my examples) so can shift with rough handling. It's a beautifully detailed model though, even better then the HUO! Edited March 25, 2019 by CloggyDog Speelong 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, CloggyDog said: The 2nd one I did by regauging the Accurascale wheelsets to EM - the wheels can be shifted/hoiked outwards on the axle until an EM b2b gauge fits and again, free-running once installed with the reduced bosses. The Accurascale wheels are a very similar profile and thickness to the Gibsons I usually use, so do run fine on my EM track at least! One of the best looking RTR 3 hole disk wheel produced to date. You managed to move the non insulated wheel on it's axle without too much force then? P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted March 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: One of the best looking RTR 3 hole disk wheel produced to date. You managed to move the non insulated wheel on it's axle without too much force then? P 3 out of 4 I could rotate/twist and move out with finger pressure alone (gripping the axle with some pliers). The 4th needed a 2nd pair of pliers to grip the tread before it would shift. Will do the 3rd wagon at the club later, will report back on the ease of doing those wheelsets. And yes, I wholeheartedly agree, a very nice looking 3-hole disc. Also worth noting that the lovely sprung Oleos (2' length/13" head) are a separate part which plugs into holes in the headstocks with the baseplate moulded on the headstock. Be nice is these were available separately to join the HUO's assorted buffer types. And those screw couplings/hooks! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted March 25, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, CloggyDog said: 3 out of 4 I could rotate/twist and move out with finger pressure alone (gripping the axle with some pliers). The 4th needed a 2nd pair of pliers to grip the tread before it would shift. Will do the 3rd wagon at the club later, will report back on the ease of doing those wheelsets. And yes, I wholeheartedly agree, a very nice looking 3-hole disc. Also worth noting that the lovely sprung Oleos (2' length/13" head) are a separate part which plugs into holes in the headstocks with the baseplate moulded on the headstock. Be nice is these were available separately to join the HUO's assorted buffer types. And those screw couplings/hooks! Hi Cloggydog, Both the buffers and screw couplings are available as spares on our website https://accurascale.co.uk/collections/buffers/products/br-oleo-op2-sprung-buffer-pack-pack-of-8 and https://accurascale.co.uk/collections/couplers/products/screw-link-couplings-pack-of-8 Thanks for your kind words on our wheels and how you went about converting to EM. We had specified 26mm axles and built it into our CAD for ease of conversion like our HUO but for some reason it was changed. As you found out it takes a bit of additional work than we desired and it’s our fault for assuming we would get back what we designed but it was a small change we missed, so it’s on us. We will be extra vigilant in future, but we have begun experimenting here and it looks like your method is the most efficient. Not huge work, but a bit more than we planned. We’ll post something on this on our blog later this week. Apart from the slightly trickier than anticipated regauging of the cemflo they seem to be winning universal approval and have sold very fast. So much so we have pushed the button on extra quantities of the existing running numbers to service demand! Thank you to everyone who has purchased so far, it’s great to receive this support with our second 4mm model! Cheers! Fran 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted March 25, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, RBAGE said: A big parcel arrived from Accurascale this morning (well 3 actually, but that's something to be sorted) and although a little distressed at the delay, the wait was worth it. Even better news, my Durham north slow loop will accommodate 26 + Brake + EE type 4. Hi Bob, Looks absolutely superb. I know you’ve been excited about these for a long time. I’m delighted that your day has finally come. Cheers! Fran 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, 071 said: Hi Bob, Looks absolutely superb. I know you’ve been excited about these for a long time. I’m delighted that your day has finally come. Cheers! Fran You are correct and I am over the moon. Thanks. However, we're still waiting for the definitive English Electric Type 4. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Hawkins Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I purchased 10 Cemflo's last Saturday and i'm delighted with them, now looking forward to the Castle Cement wagons being released, well done everyone at Accurscale. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, 071 said: Apart from the slightly trickier than anticipated regauging of the cemflo they seem to be winning universal approval and have sold very fast. So much so we have pushed the button on extra quantities of the existing running numbers with a retooled chassis and wheelset to service demand! Suitably amended for you! Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted March 25, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Suitably amended for you! Mike. Pity we pushed it before this came to light, production is already under way! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox321 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, 071 said: Pity we pushed it before this came to light, production is already under way! Nevermind, we will all forgive you if you do a "Gloucester" Version........ (Plus you could show the re-gauging people, how you meant the Met Cam version to be!) Regards, C. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium drjcontroller Posted March 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2019 11 hours ago, CloggyDog said: Last evening I did 2 of the 3-pack bought at Ally Pally on Saturday. In both cases I reduced the boss behind each w-iron by c0.7mm (razor saw/sanding stick). Tried 26mm pinpoints (Gibson EM 3-hole discs) which pushed the w-irons out and were too tight to turn. So then tried the pair of 'Lima/short' Gibsons (about 24.5mm over pin points) I had and all was fine, free-running, no issues with brake shoes, etc. The 2nd one I did by regauging the Accurascale wheelsets to EM - the wheels can be shifted/hoiked outwards on the axle until an EM b2b gauge fits and again, free-running once installed with the reduced bosses. The Accurascale wheels are a very similar profile and thickness to the Gibsons I usually use, so do run fine on my EM track at least! Be careful when handling the wagon during any work on the chassis - the body to chassis join is simply clips (no glue on my examples) so can shift with rough handling. It's a beautifully detailed model though, even better then the HUO! Looks like I've made the basic error of not checking the length of the axle before attempting surgery. I'll have another go tomorrow by pulling out the existing wheelsets and hopefully that will sort it out. I'll re-iterate, these are stunning wagons and the detail level is superb. Thanks for everyone's input and suggestions. Douglas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 hours ago, CloggyDog said: The 4th needed a 2nd pair of pliers to grip the tread before it would shift. 11 hours ago, drjcontroller said: I'll have another go tomorrow by pulling out the existing wheelsets and hopefully that will sort it out. Many moons ago I knocked up one of these gadgets/adaptors to use with a George Watts puller easing the process of pulling out wheels on pinpoint axles, especially those non insulated very tight examples. It's so simple others must use something similar. It's simply a length of 2mm inside inside bore brass tube sleeved to fit over the spigot of the puller (Pusher in this instance.) Into one end of the tube was soldered a flanged pin point bearing that has then had the centre bored through from it's apex to allow the axle pin point to sit in free air. The coning of the axle then takes all the loading of the tension force and it saves squishing the pin point. If you can be bothered to work out the pitch ratio of the puller thread, it evens saves you using a back to back. P 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted March 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2019 I think mine's going to have to go back. Look at the state it's in! I thought these were supposed to be all shiny and new. 2 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mick Bonwick said: I think mine's going to have to go back. Look at the state it's in! I thought these were supposed to be all shiny and new. Hell's bells Mick, I'm not surprised you're upset. I'll tell you what, send it to me, with 25 others in the hope that you can get this sorry experience out of your system. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I'm shocked that you would supply Mick "the cement" Bonwick with such a specimen. Knowing that he likes his wagons shining like a toilet door (as we say in the posher parts of County Durham). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 25/03/2019 at 10:27, RBAGE said: A big parcel arrived from Accurascale this morning (well 3 actually, but that's something to be sorted) and although a little distressed at the delay, the wait was worth it. Even better news, my Durham north slow loop will accommodate 26 + Brake + EE type 4. They look excellent. It'll take some time to weather all of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 17/03/2019 at 20:11, Enterprisingwestern said: Smacks of desperation does this! Mike. I’ve waited 44 years for a decent Cemflo, now 22 are coming at once. :-) Its a pretty iconic well travelled, long lived wagon, i’m surprised it’s taken so long for someone to do it. its it’s going to be a long day tomorrow... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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