Fredo Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Hi, do we know how many wagons were built and what numbers were built in each year. Is there also a way of finding out which ones and how many were destroyed/withdrawn after the 1967 accident near Thirsk. thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted July 17, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Fredo said: Hi, do we know how many wagons were built and what numbers were built in each year. Is there also a way of finding out which ones and how many were destroyed/withdrawn after the 1967 accident near Thirsk. thanks Fred Hi Fred, A total of 285 of these bulk cement wagons were constructed for Associated Portland Cement Manufacturers (APCM) between 1963 and 1965. Sorry, I dont know which numbers were built in what year or which ones were destroyed in the 1967 accident. Cheers! Fran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Fredo said: Hi, do we know how many wagons were built and what numbers were built in each year. Is there also a way of finding out which ones and how many were destroyed/withdrawn after the 1967 accident near Thirsk. thanks Fred LA233 appears to have been the first vehicle to derail. I couldn't find any record of the other numbers, either on Wikipedia or the Railway Archive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Thanks Fran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted July 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think other wagons in the train were quoted in the Thirsk accident report, which can be found via Google. It makes fascinating reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Plan on last page. MoT_Thirsk1967.pdf 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 17 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: Plan on last page. MoT_Thirsk1967.pdf 781.02 kB · 20 downloads Thanks for sharing this Porsea, a terrible accident and a very informative read...I did like the reference to the 2 trainspotters at Pilmoor who are described as persons who ‘took a keen interest in railway matters’... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Axlebox said: Thanks for sharing this Porsea, a terrible accident and a very informative read...I did like the reference to the 2 trainspotters at Pilmoor who are described as persons who ‘took a keen interest in railway matters’... Cold war spies, more like. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RBAGE said: Cold war spies, more like. Who’d have thought 40 years later you’d be a vital part of on the war on terror...nothing puts terrorists off more than a gaggle of old people armed with cameras...perhaps we should similarly arm our OAPs and send them out to fight off anti social behaviour...can you imagine the humiliation of being told off in public by a bus load of pensioners... Edited July 18, 2020 by Axlebox 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Axlebox said: Who’d have thought 40 years later you’d be a vital part of on the war on terror...nothing puts terrorists off more than a gaggle of old people armed with cameras...perhaps we should similarly arm our OAPs and send them out to fight off anti social behaviour...can you imagine the humiliation of being told off in public by a bus load of pensioners... "I know your mother and don't think I won't tell her what you've been up to". "Don't talk to me like that, I'll wash your mouth out with carbolic". 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 There was also a severe derailment at Uddingston Junction involving several Cemflo's which I believe were scrapped on site. The construction and design of the wagon didn't take too kindly to derailments twisting the solebars and causing frame fractures. I'm surprised that they lasted as long as they did really but I suppose being privately owned they had to be written down over a set period. May we be able to persuade Accurascale to do another pre-tops run....................or dare I mention Gloucesters! I do need some more but liked the Gloucester livery better...............when they were new and not encrusted with cement. But well done to you for producing the type in the first place. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, BrushVeteran said: There was also a severe derailment at Uddingston Junction involving several Cemflo's which I believe were scrapped on site. The construction and design of the wagon didn't take too kindly to derailments twisting the solebars and causing frame fractures. I'm surprised that they lasted as long as they did really but I suppose being privately owned they had to be written down over a set period. May we be able to persuade Accurascale to do another pre-tops run....................or dare I mention Gloucesters! I do need some more but liked the Gloucester livery better...............when they were new and not encrusted with cement. But well done to you for producing the type in the first place. Why not convert your own? It's not so difficult and I have all the bits you can't make yourself. Instructions from my conversions freely provided to all. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, BrushVeteran said: There was also a severe derailment at Uddingston Junction involving several Cemflo's which I believe were scrapped on site. The construction and design of the wagon didn't take too kindly to derailments twisting the solebars and causing frame fractures. I'm surprised that they lasted as long as they did really but I suppose being privately owned they had to be written down over a set period. May we be able to persuade Accurascale to do another pre-tops run....................or dare I mention Gloucesters! I do need some more but liked the Gloucester livery better...............when they were new and not encrusted with cement. But well done to you for producing the type in the first place. Also, the conversion from the TOPS cemflo is little different from pre-TOPS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Thanks for that kind offer RBAGE, my problem is time even though I'm supposed to be retired. I have six full size buses to complete restorations on................I may even live to complete them! However always up for a challenge if it is as easy as you say I might just try a couple in the forthcoming dark evenings!....................so would take you up on your offer of instruction. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 minute ago, BrushVeteran said: Thanks for that kind offer RBAGE, my problem is time even though I'm supposed to be retired. I have six full size buses to complete restorations on................I may even live to complete them! However always up for a challenge if it is as easy as you say I might just try a couple in the forthcoming dark evenings!....................so would take you up on your offer of instruction. Send email address by pm and I will oblige. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 T'is a pity not more of the rake were identified in the report. As mentioned LA233 was used in subsequent tests, and it went on to return to the active fleet - https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cemflo/e58092060 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, hmrspaul said: T'is a pity not more of the rake were identified in the report. As mentioned LA233 was used in subsequent tests, and it went on to return to the active fleet - https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cemflo/e58092060 Paul Did they make any changes to the suspension as a result of the accident and the subsequent report? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) There were some with modded suspension latterly used internally at Weardale works. I think PB has pics of the suspension in his Zenfolio. Larkin had a pic in "PO wagons on BR". Thinks the mods were carried out beyond your timescale. P Edited July 19, 2020 by Porcy Mane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, RBAGE said: Did they make any changes to the suspension as a result of the accident and the subsequent report? The recommendation to alter to single link suspension doesn't appear to have been carried out. Whether the minor alterations to some of the dimensions was made is not possible to tell from photos, these do seem very similar to the drawing of the suspension in the report. To the best of my knowledge only one had the complete alteration to having a suspension unit, which fortunately we photographed and measured. https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/cemflo/e3a9129a As to the buffers, whether they altered the type of Oleo hydraulic buffers fitted I am not proficient to say. The photos look like 2ft 01/2in which again is as in the official drawing. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 08/07/2020 at 09:00, RBAGE said: My latest modification was to try to recreate the official Gloucester photograph, as seen on Paul Bartlett's site. That of LA21 with open solebar. The modifications include: - Raise the barrel to correct height for Gloucesters - Fit correct gusset plate to support raised height. - Fit air pipes with kink. Fitted in different position to Met Camms. - Replacement axlebox / suspension. - Remove solebar reinforcement and replace with Gloucester "box" type reinforcement. - Replace hand wheels. - Complete new bottom discharge equipment. Having had one of Bobs conversions pass through my hands I can confirm the comments on here ..... a stunning model 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: There were some with modded suspension latterly used internally at Weardale works. I think PB has pics of the suspension in his Zenfolio. Larkin had a pic in "PO wagons on BR". Thinks the mods were carried out beyond your timescale. P Were the modification visible? If so, what does the Accurascale model represent? Is it OK for 1960's running, I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, RBAGE said: Were the modification visible? If so, what does the Accurascale model represent? Is it OK for 1960's running, I wonder? Same wagon (LA236) & suspension as in PB photographs. Mr Larkin dates his photo as 1969 at Hoo Junction. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: Same wagon (LA236) & suspension as in PB photographs. Mr Larkin dates his photo as 1969 at Hoo Junction. P Cheers Porcy. Without your help I would have been up all night, worrying. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, RBAGE said: Without your help I would have been up all night, worrying. Typical Micky Moor breeding. Must have been the proximity to the detonator works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: Typical Micky Moor breeding. Must have been the proximity to the detonator works. What was that? Sorry, I'm a bit mutt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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