RMweb Premium newbryford Posted August 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2018 DAS000275 Bolton Trinity Street 08/07/1981 Bolton West Junction - looking toward Preston / Wigan DAS000275 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr DAS000276 Bolton Trinity Street 08/07/1981 Bolton West Junction signal box DAS000276 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr That can't be real - the curves are like a trainset...…… I always liked that end of Bolton where the down main crosses towards the Darwen line. Very different these days - but I haven't got an up to date view as a comparison. Must do so if only to see the wiring in progress. If I'm travelling to the Piccadilly side of Manchester, I usually change at Salford Crescent, but Bolton is an option and there's usually a few minutes to pass. Next time maybe. Cheers, Mick 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted August 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2018 ^^ Wot 'e said, Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post beast66606 Posted August 12, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2018 DAS000309Norwich20/06/1981 (Wednesday)Norwich Thorpe Junction signal box with signals visible. Crown point behind and Wensum Junction box just visibleDAS000309 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000310Norwich20/06/1981 (Wednesday)47579 leaves Norwich ? on a London service ?DAS000310 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000311Norwich20/06/1981 (Wednesday)47581, Great Eastern,at Norwich ? on a London service ? - silver roofedDAS000311 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000312Norwich20/06/1981 (Wednesday)03197 with runner at NorwichDAS000312 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000313Norwich20/06/1981 (Wednesday)Nameplate of 47581 - Great EasternDAS000313 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000314Norwich20/06/1981 (Wednesday)Numer of 47581 - Great EasternDAS000314 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000315Norwich20/06/1981 (Wednesday)31114 at NorwichDAS000315 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000316Norwich20/06/1981 (Wednesday)37174 arrives at Norwich, Passenger Station box just visibleDAS000316 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000317March21/06/1981 (Wednesday)47030 in the sidings at March East, probably to work an Ince and Elton service.DAS000317 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000318March21/06/1981 (Wednesday)Class 306 units stored in the sidings at March East prior to scrapping at Snailwell, 306070 and othersDAS000318 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000319March21/06/1981 (Wednesday)March East signal boxDAS000319 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000320March21/06/1981 (Wednesday)General view of March East from the station footbridge, showing old signal with new ground signal and East boxDAS000320 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000321March21/06/1981 (Wednesday)31270 on 1M45, 13:10, Cambrdige - Birmingham New StreetDAS000321 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000322March21/06/1981 (Wednesday)General view of Whitemoor Junction showing signals and the signal boxDAS000322 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000323March21/06/1981 (Wednesday)Whitemoor Junction - signal from March East with mechanical route indicator. March North box visible.DAS000323 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBill Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Great shots Dave, thanks for posting... In post 124, photo DAS000298, what is the purpose of the calling-on arm (if that's what it is)? There seems to be plain track extending into the distance? Thanks, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted August 12, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2018 Great shots Dave, thanks for posting... In post 124, photo DAS000298, what is the purpose of the calling-on arm (if that's what it is)? There seems to be plain track extending into the distance? Thanks, Bill It's a shunt ahead, when cleared it allows trains to pass the main arm for the purpose of shunting only and not to proceed to the next box. Haughton Sidings and Whitington were a peculiar arragement, when a tank train needed to enter the sidings at Whitington the driver collected the bobby from Gobowen South box and the train proceeded to Haughton, the bobby opened the box and the engine ran round, the bobby then closed the box again and returned with the train to Gobowen South and normal duties ! Needless to say, all gone now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted August 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2018 Thanks for sharing yet more and more fantastic photos Dave, full of interest. Regarding DAS000309 showing Norwich Thorpe Junction signal box, in the foreground clutter of the concrete hut, buffer stop, lineside wooden loc and distant signal, there is a single lever - I can't see anything connected to it, any idea what this was for? Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted August 13, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2018 Thanks for sharing yet more and more fantastic photos Dave, full of interest. Regarding DAS000309 showing Norwich Thorpe Junction signal box, in the foreground clutter of the concrete hut, buffer stop, lineside wooden loc and distant signal, there is a single lever - I can't see anything connected to it, any idea what this was for? Regards, Ian. Don't know anything about the lever I'm afraid Ian - on the TIFF image which enlarges better there is no visible connection (as you say) to anything - I wonder if it's an old gong lever for shunting within the Crown Point area ? it's not shown on the Thorpe box diagram for 1980 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post beast66606 Posted August 13, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2018 Last batch for a few days (probably) as I'm heading back to the Wirral on Wednesday to see my lad for a couple of days Remember : 1 - the order of the photos is a bit random due the way the negs were stored, so Ellesmere Port pops into the middle of an East Anglian trip ! 2 - any help with the trains will be much appreciated. DAS000324March21/06/1981 (Wednesday)254032 on a down express passing PeterboroughDAS000324 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000325Stamford21/06/1981 (Wednesday)Stamford signal box, MR all timberDAS000325 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000326Oakham21/06/1981 (Wednesday)Oakham Level Crossing signal bpx - the Airfix Kit. MR all wood, enamel nameboard.DAS000326 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000327Melton Mowbray21/06/1981 (Wednesday)Melton Station signal box - LMS all wood with oversailDAS000327 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000328Melton Mowbray21/06/1981 (Wednesday)Melton Station signal box - LMS all wood with oversailDAS000328 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000329Ellesmere Port08/06/1981 (Wednesday)40180 passes Ellesmere Port No.2 on Birkenhead Cavendish Sidings - Ellesmere Port tripDAS000329 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000330Ellesmere Port08/06/1981 (Wednesday)25051 passes Ellesmere Port No.2 on a Birkenhead Mollington Street - Ellesmere Port move, to work an AvonmouthDAS000330 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000331Ellesmere Port08/06/1981 (Wednesday)Down signal levers at Ellesmere Port No.2 signal boxDAS000331 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000332Ellesmere Port08/06/1981 (Wednesday)25199 passes Ellesmere Port No.2 signal box on a Vauxhall - ? car trainDAS000332 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000333Ellesmere Port08/06/1981 (Wednesday)Down signal levers at Ellesmere Port No.2 signal boxDAS000333 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000334Ellesmere Port08/06/1981 (Wednesday)Signal and slot repeaters and Track Circuit indicators at Ellesmere Port No.2 signal boxDAS000334 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000335Ellesmere Port08/06/1981 (Wednesday)Signal and slot repeaters and Track Circuit indicators at Ellesmere Port No.2 signal boxDAS000335 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000336Ellesmere Port08/06/1981 (Wednesday)Block instruments at Ellesmere Port No.2 signal box - plastic penguinsDAS000336 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000337Peterborough21/06/1981 (Wednesday)37048 stabled at PeterboroughDAS000337 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000338Peterborough21/06/1981 (Wednesday)47422 stabled at PeterboroughDAS000338 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000339Peterborough21/06/1981 (Wednesday)47457 at Peterborough on a Cleethorpes - London Kings CrossDAS000339 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000340Peterborough21/06/1981 (Wednesday)47420 at Peterborough on a London Kings Cross - YorkDAS000340 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2018 Thanks for sharing yet more and more fantastic photos Dave, full of interest. Regarding DAS000309 showing Norwich Thorpe Junction signal box, in the foreground clutter of the concrete hut, buffer stop, lineside wooden loc and distant signal, there is a single lever - I can't see anything connected to it, any idea what this was for? Regards, Ian. Don't know anything about the lever I'm afraid Ian - on the TIFF image which enlarges better there is no visible connection (as you say) to anything - I wonder if it's an old gong lever for shunting within the Crown Point area ? it's not shown on the Thorpe box diagram for 1980 Is it a lever for a Clayton Magazine Detonator Placer? The concrete hut could be the Fogman's Hut and the cupboard behind the lever could be for housing signal indicators. The Distant by the box could be fogged manually from that position but there is nowhere by the Home coming round the curve to safely fog the lower distant arm. The lever would have three notches in the quadrant, Normal for the detonator arm to be in the magazine, Mid to be parallel to the rail and Reverse for the detonator on the rail. When the Distant was cleared the Fogman would move the lever to the mid position. If the detonator was fired by a train then the lever was placed to Normal which dropped the used one out of the jaws and picked up a new one from the magazine. This held about 40 shots so the Fogman didn't have to keep going across tracks to put detonators on and off. The machine was made by Clayton of Penistone, who still make detonators for railway use today. I've searched around but can't find a picture, the last one I saw being used in anger was 1966. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2018 Don't know anything about the lever I'm afraid Ian - on the TIFF image which enlarges better there is no visible connection (as you say) to anything - I wonder if it's an old gong lever for shunting within the Crown Point area ? it's not shown on the Thorpe box diagram for 1980 Thanks for your reply Dave. Yes, it could be used in relation to shunting, I'd not thought of that. No doubt someone, somewhee, might be able to confirm this. Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 ... Norwich 20/06/1981 (Wednesday) 47581, Great Eastern,at Norwich ? on a London service ? - silver roofed ... Excellent photos, totally enjoyable.I know the railway press of the era referred to the GER 47s as having silver roofs, but they were actually 'Light Aircraft Grey' Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2018 Is it a lever for a Clayton Magazine Detonator Placer? The concrete hut could be the Fogman's Hut and the cupboard behind the lever could be for housing signal indicators. The Distant by the box could be fogged manually from that position but there is nowhere by the Home coming round the curve to safely fog the lower distant arm. The lever would have three notches in the quadrant, Normal for the detonator arm to be in the magazine, Mid to be parallel to the rail and Reverse for the detonator on the rail. When the Distant was cleared the Fogman would move the lever to the mid position. If the detonator was fired by a train then the lever was placed to Normal which dropped the used one out of the jaws and picked up a new one from the magazine. This held about 40 shots so the Fogman didn't have to keep going across tracks to put detonators on and off. The machine was made by Clayton of Penistone, who still make detonators for railway use today. I've searched around but can't find a picture, the last one I saw being used in anger was 1966. Hi SignalEngineer, Another very good suggestion, also one I hadn't thought of. Does seem a bit strange that, if used for either suggestion, if the lever is no longer connected to anything (particularly the det magazine) why it is still in-situ? Even back then (without today's insightful H&S policies) I imagine it would have been a 'trip hazard' and been removed if no longer required. Regards, Ian? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted August 13, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2018 Hi SignalEngineer, Another very good suggestion, also one I hadn't thought of. Does seem a bit strange that, if used for either suggestion, if the lever is no longer connected to anything (particularly the det magazine) why it is still in-situ? Even back then (without today's insightful H&S policies) I imagine it would have been a 'trip hazard' and been removed if no longer required. Regards, Ian? Note in those days - look at some of my other photos, the late 1970s / early 1980s was still looking like a railway in decline with all sorts of crap unused items lying around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2018 Note in those days - look at some of my other photos, the late 1970s / early 1980s was still looking like a railway in decline with all sorts of crap unused items lying around .... and there still is Dave! Regards, Ian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2018 Note in those days - look at some of my other photos, the late 1970s / early 1980s was still looking like a railway in decline with all sorts of crap unused items lying aroundSome of it is still there. I know of an almost-complete semaphore bracket signal in the trees at Hyde North. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingsignalman Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 It's a shunt ahead, when cleared it allows trains to pass the main arm for the purpose of shunting only and not to proceed to the next box. Haughton Sidings and Whitington were a peculiar arragement, when a tank train needed to enter the sidings at Whitington the driver collected the bobby from Whitington box and the train proceeded to Haughton, the bobby opened the box and the engine ran round, the bobby then closed the box again and returned with the train to Whitington and normal duties ! Needless to say, all gone now. The Signalman was picked up from Gobowen South (which was only open for early turns, Monday to Friday), not Whittington. Haughton Sidings, we were told, was the only box still allowed to switch out of circuit with a train on line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2018 Loving this thread Dave some cracking pictures When you see pictures of Norwich like yours you wonder how it all fitted in as when you look across Riverside it doesn't look big enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2018 Is it a lever for a Clayton Magazine Detonator Placer? The concrete hut could be the Fogman's Hut and the cupboard behind the lever could be for housing signal indicators. The Distant by the box could be fogged manually from that position but there is nowhere by the Home coming round the curve to safely fog the lower distant arm. The lever would have three notches in the quadrant, Normal for the detonator arm to be in the magazine, Mid to be parallel to the rail and Reverse for the detonator on the rail. When the Distant was cleared the Fogman would move the lever to the mid position. If the detonator was fired by a train then the lever was placed to Normal which dropped the used one out of the jaws and picked up a new one from the magazine. This held about 40 shots so the Fogman didn't have to keep going across tracks to put detonators on and off. The machine was made by Clayton of Penistone, who still make detonators for railway use today. I've searched around but can't find a picture, the last one I saw being used in anger was 1966. Had a look aroung the web and I think I have found the answer in a picture from the mid 1970s. https://flic.kr/p/dwHUbq There is a rod from the lever goes to the right, under the Up Main and along the sleeper ends on the six-foot side of the Down Main. Just on the approach to the Down Main Home signal which carries a Distant for the Passenger Yard box there is something on the sleeper end which looks as if it could be a Clayton Machine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2018 Had a look aroung the web and I think I have found the answer in a picture from the mid 1970s. https://flic.kr/p/dwHUbq There is a rod from the lever goes to the right, under the Up Main and along the sleeper ends on the six-foot side of the Down Main. Just on the approach to the Down Main Home signal which carries a Distant for the Passenger Yard box there is something on the sleeper end which looks as if it could be a Clayton Machine. Hi SignalEngineer, Nice piece of detective work. I'm impressed. Regards, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2018 Had a look aroung the web and I think I have found the answer in a picture from the mid 1970s. https://flic.kr/p/dwHUbq There is a rod from the lever goes to the right, under the Up Main and along the sleeper ends on the six-foot side of the Down Main. Just on the approach to the Down Main Home signal which carries a Distant for the Passenger Yard box there is something on the sleeper end which looks as if it could be a Clayton Machine. Having looked again at the picture I think it may be a Barton & Stanford's Patent one rather than a Clayton. The NRM have one (or at least had one, don't know if they've given it away) in the warehouse. LNERGE of this parish may have more details, I believe he has a Clayton machine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Really enjoyed the pictures. Cheers Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted August 23, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2018 Normal service will be resumed over the next day or two - I've been on holiday and some other things have taken my time but now I'm back at work (boo) and the other things are finishing today - My Mrs is an exams officer so you can guess the stress level she's been under, but today the GCSE results are out and she's done. Of course the senior management team have been very helpful <cough> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post beast66606 Posted August 23, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2018 DAS000341Rhyl19/07/1977 (Wednesday)40109 on an Up parcels - 4J16, MSX, Holyhead - Bolton ?DAS000341 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000342Llandudno19/07/1977 (Wednesday)40111 in the sidings at Llandudno. Yellow ground disc alongsideDAS000342 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000343Llandudno Junction19/07/1977 (Wednesday)40132 running round some coaches in Llandudno Junction sidings, then worked ECS to LlandudnoDAS000343 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000344Llandudno Junction19/07/1977 (Wednesday)47529 passes Llandudno Junction on the up main running light engine.DAS000344 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000345Llandudno Junction19/07/1977 (Wednesday)24087 in Llandudno Junction shed - old carriage shed. M24900 in for repairs to damaged windowDAS000345 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000346Llandudno Junction19/07/1977 (Wednesday)24087 in Llandudno Junction shed - old carriage shed. M24900 in for repairs to damaged windowDAS000346 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000347Llandudno Junction19/07/1977 (Wednesday)24087 in Llandudno Junction shed - old carriage shed. M24900 in for repairs to damaged windowDAS000347 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000348Llandudno Junction19/07/1977 (Wednesday)24087 in Llandudno Junction shed - old carriage shed.DAS000348 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000349Llandudno Junction19/07/1977 (Wednesday)24087 in Llandudno Junction shed - old carriage shed.DAS000349 by Dave Skipsey, on FlickrDAS000350Colwyn Bay19/07/1977 (Wednesday)Unidentified class 47 approaching Colwyn BayDAS000350 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 DAS000349 Llandudno Junction 19/07/1977 (Wednesday) 24087 in Llandudno Junction shed - old carriage shed. DAS000349 by Dave Skipsey, on Flickr now thast got character and atmosphere, the wonky baulk timber, the weeds and the filth 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted August 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2018 Some fantastic photos today. Thanks for sharing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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