mozzer models Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) I am building a small shunting layout set in a South Wales Valley before 1947 So far i have the board built & playing around with the track plain i am thinking the trains come in at the front & the siding at the back will climb up to a coal mine off stage the run round will be used to exchange the wagons 2 or 3 at a time as the climb up will be steep IMG_20180703_101401 by brian mosby, on Flickr IMG_20180703_101414 by brian mosby, on Flickr IMG_20180703_101408 by brian mosby, on Flickr Edited February 11, 2020 by mozzer models 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbowilts Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Welcome to the happy band of modellers of the South Wales Valleys. That track layout looks as if it will be very difficult to do anything more than move a loco into or out of the sidings at the front and back. What kind of operation do you intend to do? Tim T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 Welcome to the happy band of modellers of the South Wales Valleys. That track layout looks as if it will be very difficult to do anything more than move a loco into or out of the sidings at the front and back. What kind of operation do you intend to do? Tim T looking at goods train comes in front right runs round & swoops wagons from the the front siding & departs then a train fro the coal mine brings 2 or 3 wagons at a time down the bank on the back right track loco at the bottom leaves its wagons in the loop picks up some from the siding & takes them up the bank repeating till all swooped over them putting the wagons from the loop into the siding giving me lots of shunting to do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 thinking about it i will need to add a 2nd siding to the front so i can still use the run round to get wagons to be push up the hill saying that as they would be empty i could pull them up the hill?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) If it's an especially steep incline then it would be entirely reasonable to have the loco at the downhill end. This would also simplify track requirements at the top, as no run round would be needed. No idea if any such arrangement ever existed in South Wales, but I think the Holywell branch from the North Wales coast line operated on that principle. Edited July 3, 2018 by Zomboid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) Look no further for an example in South Wales than the Bleanserchan Colliery line at Abersychan near Pontypool, Zomboid; trains were propelled up some very steep gradients here including a paddy made up of ex GWR vans; it had no vacuum brakes and the loco was always at the downhill end. At the bottom end there was a 1 in 14 incline from the exchange sidings to a lower level engine shed and workshop, adhesion worked. A 4mm model of the shed /workshop area exists somewhere, with the precipitous incline on the backscene. All Glory To The Hypnotoad. As to the plan, my instinctive response is that the left hand headshunt is very short even with a Peckett or similar (Pecketts were popular in South Wales, as were Andrew Barclays), and the very steep incline sounds like an ideal candidate for rope or chain haulage. The loco positions the empty wagons one or perhaps 2 at a time for attachment to the rope, and single loaded ones come down to balance thrm, to be picked up by the loco and made up into an outgoing train. You might be able to shoehorn a weighbridge in there somewhere as well, and some wagons could be NCB internal user. Edited July 3, 2018 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 the loco and made up into an outgoing train. You might be able to shoehorn a weighbridge in there somewhere as well, and some wagons could be NCB internal user. as i will be setting the layout before 1947 there can be No NCB wagon's I have one the of the Pontnewyndd Funny brake van kits to build for the layout as the line to this end of the branch is steep as well as the link to the coal mine I have most of the stock needed in rtr or kits but i am looking for a coach for the non paddy train Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4, 2018 Triang 'shorty' clerestory or Ratio 4 wheelers will be ok for your workman's. and almost anything will past muster for a proper paddy, so long as it's old and scruffy enough. The Ratio Midland suburbans have the right 'look'. No NCB internal user wagons, but any old 7 planker, so dirty as to be unidentifiable, will do the job. You need to decide what the Sectional Appendix (to the Rules and Regulations) says about how far GW locos are allowed to work on to the colliery system, and define where the GW starts, as the colliery's loco will not be allowed to venture on to it. GW running roads will be protected by a ground signal and trap point, but may be beyond the scenic break on your layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Made a start on the Hornby coaches 2 repainted Hornby short clerestory coaches by brian mosby, on Flickr 2 repainted Hornby short clerestory coaches by brian mosby, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 88C Posted July 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 10, 2018 Looks like an interesting project, I will keep an eye on progress. It is also nice to see another South Wales layout. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) slowly getting wagons for the layout here's what i have picked up so far all local apart from the armstrong W Local wagons for Blandalis by brian mosby, on Flickr Local wagons for Blandalis by brian mosby, on Flickr Local wagons for Blandalis by brian mosby, on Flickr Local wagons for Blandalis by brian mosby, on Flickr Local wagons for Blandalis by brian mosby, on Flickr Local wagons for Blandalis by brian mosby, on Flickr I also have POW Sides wagon kits on order for local wagons Edited August 14, 2018 by mozzer models 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Brian, Bear in mind that, prior to WW2 'Pooling', you'd only only see colliery wagons from that colliery at a given pit, though you would see wagons from the big coal factors, such as S&C and Cory, and from merchants or industrial customers. Depending on the pit, you might get 'Loco Coal' wagons from the GWR; they tended to have a few favourite ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) Brian, Bear in mind that, prior to WW2 'Pooling', you'd only only see colliery wagons from that colliery at a given pit, though you would see wagons from the big coal factors, such as S&C and Cory, and from merchants or industrial customers. Depending on the pit, you might get 'Loco Coal' wagons from the GWR; they tended to have a few favourite ones. the layout is set in ww2 as one of the locos i will be using is a USA TANK on running in duties out of Swansea Docks which is why i am getting local wagons Edited August 13, 2018 by mozzer models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted August 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) the layout is set in ww2 as one of the locos i will be using is a USA TANK on running in duties out of Swansea Docks which is why i am getting local wagons The draglines at Blaenavon had an USA tank. Worked from there, down the incline to the MTA. Edit: Sorry! It was Brynmawr. My mistake! Ian. Edited August 17, 2018 by tomparryharry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted August 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2018 Hello Brian, I forgot to add that the 'paddy train' was made up of vans, with the doors taken off, and seat placed inside, and along the ends. Having such a fearsome incline, the vans normally had vacuum brakes as standard.Lots of photographs of Abersychan and area. Cheers, Ian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2018 This is shaping up into a really good little layout, and the back story is credible and well thought out. Don't forget that there can be incoming traffic to a coal mine as well, pit props in general merchandise opens and even the odd equipment delivery in a van. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 This is shaping up into a really good little layout, and the back story is credible and well thought out. Don't forget that there can be incoming traffic to a coal mine as well, pit props in general merchandise opens and even the odd equipment delivery in a van. I got these 2 Armstrog Whitworth wagons for equipment arriving at the pit Local wagons for Blandalis by brian mosby, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2018 I got these 2 Armstrog Whitworth wagons for equipment arriving at the pit Local wagons for Blandalis by brian mosby, on Flickr Just the 'ammer, bwtti bach! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Just the 'ammer, bwtti bach! ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted August 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2018 ?? Roughly translated.... "That looks very nice indeed, Mr. Mosby". .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastluddite Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Will have to check on progress next time i am down, the weekend that the Swansea show is on??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Will have to check on progress next time i am down, the weekend that the Swansea show is on??? other than new wagons nothing has changed since you were down in July Swansea show is 6 & 7th Oct 247 Developments trade stand WILL NOT BE THERE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Peckett have sent a loco for test around the Blanduais mine Peckett have sent a loco for test around the Blanduais mine by brian mosby, on Flickr Peckett have sent a loco for test around the Blanduais mine by brian mosby, on Flickr The Mine owner like it & is looking to buy it & then Naming it GWILYM Edited October 2, 2018 by mozzer models 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 Evans & Bevan have bought the Loco from Peckett of Bristol Evans & Bevan have bought the Loco from Peckett of Bristol Name plates from 247 Developments by brian mosby, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 more wagons arrived today Wagon kits from south Wales plus one from mid Wales by brian mosby, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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