MrWolf Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, chuffinghell said: It’s nice to be missed. It is a great toy and I’m sure would be much better once I’ve figured it out properly. It's not been the same without you creating something new and making the rest of us realise that we have done precisely zilch. Quote Will do, I’m still getting to grips with it as there are many settings to play with. there are loads of ‘how to’ videos on the t’interweb but as always most contradict each other so it’s very much trial and error at the moment That's what I love about tech, everything from mobile phones, to cars, computers and DCC. However you are doing it, whatever make or model you choose, there's always a dozen people waiting to tell you that you're wrong. Then proceed to tell you everything you never wanted to know, whether you asked for it or not... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, chuffinghell said: It’s nice to be missed... Especially if there's a sniper involved. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted June 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, MrWolf said: That's what I love about tech, everything from mobile phones, to cars, computers and DCC. However you are doing it, whatever make or model you choose, there's always a dozen people waiting to tell you that you're wrong. Then proceed to tell you everything you never wanted to know, whether you asked for it or not... Sounds like RMweb... 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Rowsley17D said: There will be lots of requests and orders coming your way pretty soon. Watch this space. The day job may have to go! Maybe but not for a long while as it took several attempts to successfully print a window and a door because I'd got the orientation wrong 21 minutes ago, MrWolf said: It's not been the same without you creating something new and making the rest of us realise that we have done precisely zilch. Messing about with the printer has just added to my long list of excuses to do zilch myself 19 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said: Especially if there's a sniper involved. Very true 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, MrWolf said: That's what I love about tech, everything from mobile phones, to cars, computers and DCC. However you are doing it, whatever make or model you choose, there's always a dozen people waiting to tell you that you're wrong. Then proceed to tell you everything you never wanted to know, whether you asked for it or not... I can remember a time when you would get a complete user manual with a product but now all you get is a quick start guide and its assumed you have a degree in computer science to figure out the rest 30 minutes ago, MrWolf said: However you are doing it, whatever make or model you choose, there's always a dozen people waiting to tell you that you're wrong. 9 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Sounds like RMweb... I tend to apply rule #1 to everything I do now as it saves getting disheartened for doing something "wrong" Edited June 7, 2021 by chuffinghell 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) I shall take on board the advice on prototypical accuracy from those who know more than me about railways. (Just about everyone) I shall take on board the advice on improving my modelmaking skills from those who know more about modelmaking than I. (Ditto.) Every day is a school day. As for those who show up, tell you that you're wrong, fail to explain how you can learn from your mistake and most importantly - fails to show how they overcame that particular pitfall with photographs of their own models....... Edited June 7, 2021 by MrWolf SNAFU 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted June 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, chuffinghell said: I can remember a time when you would get a complete user manual with a product but now all you get is a quick start guide and its assumed you have a degree in computer science to figure out the rest Spare a thought for those of us who do have a degree in computer science! 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold simonmcp Posted June 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 If you really want to feel like a 'Dummy', just buy one of their books. I taught computing and I gave up trying to understand all of their books long ago. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, simonmcp said: If you really want to feel like a 'Dummy', just buy one of their books. I taught computing and I gave up trying to understand all of their books long ago. I’d need a ‘thick as sh…’s guide Plus being dyslexic has its drawbacks when trying to read something complicated….like the Beano Edited June 7, 2021 by chuffinghell 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post chuffinghell Posted June 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2021 Window and door loosely fitted (I noticed a pin hole in the window frame after priming so I need to fill that) but otherwise I’m quite pleased with the results Also glued the roof together so it’s looking more like a building now. As usual I’ve run out of primer so I’ll need to make a sight detour and call Halfrauds on the way home from work tomorrow 17 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted June 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 As one who wouldn't know one end of a 3d printer from the other, I'm very impressed with what you have achieved so soon. Will the chimney will be a stove pipe? 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 It's not that other people are thick, it's that the terminology was deliberately engineered so that it would not cross reference to other academic or practical fields. The graphic artists of the 80s and the web designers of the 90s didn't want to make themselves replaceable so set about a smoke and mirrors act to make IT seem like a black art. Despite using and teaching CAD/CAM I found a lot of the jargon infantile at best. Not wishing to be thought of as technophobes or stick in the mud dirty hands industries, company directors and marketing men couldn't sign cheques fast enough so that even many exponents of the trade no longer believed the hype and quit. It all gets a bit King's New Clothes. Not to worry, every kid who isn't going to be a professional footballer or a celebrity, wants to work in IT. Plenty more cannon fodder... It's quite funny because I think of all the designers, illustrators, graphic artists, technical illustrators, advertising copyists etc etc I went to university with, I wonder where they are now? 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Rowsley17D said: As one who wouldn't know one end of a 3d printer from the other, I'm very impressed with what you have achieved so soon. Will the chimney will be a stove pipe? All things considered, I think that he should go for full interior details... Picture won't load Useless tech.... Edited June 7, 2021 by MrWolf 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, MrWolf said: Despite using and teaching CAD/CAM I found a lot of the jargon infantile at best. Not wishing to be thought of as technophobe…. CAD is easy to me but then I’ve been using it since I was 20 (after spending 3 yrs on a drawing board of course) I’m interested and amazed by new technology (except electric cars!) but I do prefer mechanical stuff because anything else is just witchcraft to me 45 minutes ago, Rowsley17D said: I'm very impressed with what you have achieved so soon. Thank you but to be honest I’ve not got a clue what I’m doing and I’m just winging it 47 minutes ago, Rowsley17D said: Will the chimney will be a stove pipe? I'm going for a brick chimney, just to be awkward 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) Once I’ve finished messing about with the yard office I’m going to look at a coal merchants next, this time I’m going to attempt to make it the same dimensions as the ratio hut that I had free with a magazine…. ….but using the door, window, roof, chimney and gutters from the kit and just doing the body but in stone……possibly as a mirror image too (just to be awkward) Edited June 7, 2021 by chuffinghell 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 After a few Feck-no-logical problems. Chimney plus stove pipe. 9 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, chuffinghell said: CAD is easy to me but then I’ve been using it since I was 20 (after spending 3 yrs on a drawing board of course) I suspect we are a similar age. I'm sure most drawing boards were discarded, burnt or otherwise disposed of in the very early years of this century, if not before. I learned to draw with a pencil and squares and it does give you a proper appreciation of the how, even when you use a computer, to create a 2D drawing. They do seem rather outdated now most people are working in 3D and take a disproportionate amount of time. I do wish we could do away them but MBD* is not gained wide enough acceptance, yet. 2 hours ago, chuffinghell said: I’m interested and amazed by new technology (except electric cars!) but I do prefer mechanical stuff because anything else is just witchcraft to me Amen! I finally bought a car with more than 4 cylinders last year (a V6), whilst I still can, and I'm happy. There are a lot of electronics in it though. I would want any electric car I am forced to have to drive itself and I guess we're 5-10 yrs away from that being mainstream. 2 hours ago, chuffinghell said: Thank you but to be honest I’ve not got a clue what I’m doing and I’m just winging it The way of the world. Do you really think the rest of us are doing any better. Some differences here is that you have said you are being honest and you show the failures too. The weighbridge looks to have come out well. *Model Based Definition. Edited June 7, 2021 by richbrummitt right, not left 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2021 35 minutes ago, richbrummitt said: I suspect we are a similar age. It was my 46th two weeks ago. I’ve been a draughtsman since I was 18 after doing a year in a machine shop (you’ve got to be able to make it yourself before you draw it for someone else to IMO) 39 minutes ago, richbrummitt said: I learned to draw with a pencil and squares and it does give you a proper appreciation of the how, even when you use a computer, to create a 2D drawing. They do seem rather outdated now most people are working in 3D and take a disproportionate amount of time. Me too but for the week or two I had to print the alphabet/numbers over and over until they were considered neat enough to work on production drawings We still only draw in 2D at work, I keep suggesting we move out of the dark ages but it always comes back to cost and my colleagues reluctance to change 40 minutes ago, richbrummitt said: Amen! I finally bought a car with more than 4 cylinders last year (a V6), whilst I still can, and I'm happy. There are a lot of electronics in it though. I would want any electric car I am forced to have to drive itself and I guess we're 5-10 yrs away from that being mainstream. I can’t afford a new proper car never mind an electric one that costs an extra £10-15k Plus we don’t have off street parking so it looks like I’ll be walking the 15 miles to work 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I sometimes forget what the car market is like in the UK. Half the cars I've owned have more than 4 cylinders. None have had less. Two V8's & three I6's. Anyways, the 3D printer seems to function as a drug for any of my friends who pick one up. Most print .stl that they find online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gedward Posted June 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 8, 2021 4 hours ago, chuffinghell said: We still only draw in 2D at work, I keep suggesting we move out of the dark ages but it always comes back to cost and my colleagues reluctance to change Back in 2008, the art studio I worked in, decided to purchase two copies of Cinema 4d for a special project. Only one problem with that, no one in the studio could use it. I was persuaded to give it a try. But TBH, I found it no different to learning rocket science. I gave up. But after a short while, went back and had another go and fell in love with the damn program. Got completely obsessed with it. Spent every evening and weekend training. And it then became a very useful new skill for a very 2D based, ad agency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted June 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2021 I would love to find a drawing package that lets you draw front/side/plan elevations, then converts that into a 3D image. I only did technical drawing in school (O Level grade A) and then worked in a cartographic drawing office (A0 drawing board, & 15 drawer Bisley cabinet - both of which I've love to own now), so all the CAD stuff is beyond me (even with c40 years of IT development as a coder/tester). Chris, how long did the hut take to print ? And how much resin (cost wise) did it need ? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 8, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Stubby47 said: I would love to find a drawing package that lets you draw front/side/plan elevations, then converts that into a 3D image. I only did technical drawing in school (O Level grade A) and then worked in a cartographic drawing office (A0 drawing board, & 15 drawer Bisley cabinet - both of which I've love to own now), so all the CAD stuff is beyond me (even with c40 years of IT development as a coder/tester). Chris, how long did the hut take to print ? And how much resin (cost wise) did it need ? I too think it would be a great idea to have a package that could convert 2D elevations in to a 3D solid model I used to own an A0 drawing board but had to get rid of it unfortunately I’ve always considered CAD to be a computerised drawing board but 3D is something else, the thing I miss about the drawing board is the loss of identity, each draughtsman had their own style/flair and you could tell who had done a drawing without having to look in the title block. CAD has basically robbed draughtsman of their individuality to a certain extent The print took approximately 6 1/2 hours to print, when I get home I’ll take a look at the file to see how much resin it used etc…it actually used less than I thought! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted June 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Stubby47 said: I would love to find a drawing package that lets you draw front/side/plan elevations, then converts that into a 3D image. 7 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: I too think it would be a great idea to have a package that could convert 2D elevations in to a 3D solid model I'm not a CAD user and by no means an expert in design but I understand that packages such as Solidworks or similar will do just that. I imagine that they don't come cheap though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 8, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 hour ago, St Enodoc said: I'm not a CAD user and by no means an expert in design but I understand that packages such as Solidworks or similar will do just that. I imagine that they don't come cheap though. Perhaps they do? I just assumed they didn’t, however I can guarantee the Managing Director won’t buy it unless it was on offer at 99% off 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 8, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, AlfaZagato said: I sometimes forget what the car market is like in the UK. Half the cars I've owned have more than 4 cylinders. None have had less. Two V8's & three I6's. Anyways, the 3D printer seems to function as a drug for any of my friends who pick one up. Most print .stl that they find online. I would imagine over there that a 4 cylinder 1.4litre turbo engine would be considered too small for a Magimix food processor I've not tried to print any illegal substances but it is an addictive bit of technology Edited June 8, 2021 by chuffinghell 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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