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There's a magnificent photo of a fully lined FK in 'LNER in Transition' taken about 1947/8. Those vehicles would have lasted longest in teak as they were most recently shopped, so maybe to 1952 or after. 1956 is the latest I've seen a photo of a varnished teak vehicle.

 

I have some photos of brown painted stock with 'E' numbers done with LNER carriage transfers, but I've never seen that on a varnished teak vehicle. I suspect they'd have gone back to main works and been done properly. All you can do is look for photos, of course.

 

Bow pen or Bob Moore to line with, especially on Mousa sides - his beading is very fine and you'd never get a transfer to stick. I have a Bob Moore and it's very good.

 

How's that dining car coming on?

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Thanks Tony,

 

It was partly seeing your two d.120s when I came to visit that made me think I could give it a go having always shied away from teak painting before. Yours definitely have better variation along the lines that Jonathon suggests.

 

Your roofs definitely could do with being darker. I tend to use either Precision roof dirt or Halfords car bumper grey - they’re a good match colour wise but the Halfords is more satin whereas precision is a flat Matt. Some soot/ Black/ dark brown weathering powder lightly worked into the roof dirt while drying (after 30-60 mins) looks good as well.

 

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The roofs will definitely receive attention!

 

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How's that dining car coming on?

You've spurred me on to finish it this afternoon. So here are some photos with the paint barely dry.

 

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I'm fairly pleased with the way it's come out. The roof weathering looks rather harsh under the strong lighting I used for the photo but looks natural on the layout. I'm still not sure about all the roof vents. I have stuck a round lump between the two oblong vents on the left hand end. There is something shown here on the isinglass drawing and I can just about make it out in photos, but I have no idea what it should look like. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

 

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There's a magnificent photo of a fully lined FK in 'LNER in Transition' taken about 1947/8. Those vehicles would have lasted longest in teak as they were most recently shopped, so maybe to 1952 or after. 1956 is the latest I've seen a photo of a varnished teak vehicle.

 

Do you mean the photo on p21 taken in 1949. It certainly looks good but I wouldn't be sure whether that was lining or the light catching the beading. I can't make out the number but the 'LNER' seems to have gone.

I have some photos of brown painted stock with 'E' numbers done with LNER carriage transfers, but I've never seen that on a varnished teak vehicle. I suspect they'd have gone back to main works and been done properly. All you can do is look for photos, of course.

 

I'm sure I read some RMWEB stuff by  'coachman' which certainly implied that BR lettering on teak coaches was quite common in the early '50s, but I can't find the thread now. I'm now wondering whether those photos of the 12 wheel Kitchen car which we discussed earlier are actually in coach brown and that's why there's no lining. They were taken in 1957, so it would be very late, but if they weren't used much then perhaps they took longer to be shopped and repainted.

 

Bow pen or Bob Moore to line with, especially on Mousa sides - his beading is very fine and you'd never get a transfer to stick. I have a Bob Moore and it's very good.

 

I'll have to add one to my shopping list.

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Here is my latest project. I am batch building four LNER Thompson sleeping cars to d.368 and d.369. The sides are from Mousa, and this is how they came.

 

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I had four nights away at a B&B and made some significant progress in knocking them up, one coach per night. They now look like this, two have floors (copper clad fibre glass) and roofs (MJT) roughly cut to length. Door furniture is a mix of MJT and Southern Pride and ends are from 247 Developments. I’m having some difficultly in making the relatively flimsy sides stay straight at the roof line. I think I may solder some scrap etch along the top to create a lip, but does anyone have any better suggestions?

 

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I may solder some scrap etch along the top to create a lip, but does anyone have any better suggestions?

No, that's the thing to do. I use the frame from the etch they came on. It's easier in the flat, but you should be able to manage.

 

With some roofs I also solder 1mm or .75 angle along the cornice to help glue the roof to, but with the MJT ones you probably won't need to.

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I’m having some difficultly in making the relatively flimsy sides stay straight at the roof line. I think I may solder some scrap etch along the top to create a lip, but does anyone have any better suggestions?

 

 

 

I think that it is impossible to avoid the floppy sides on a single skin of etch; it is worsened by the braces that you have run across.  Thus, I always use a piece of 1*1mm brass square section fro Eileens along he top and no more than one or two braces across the width of the coach.

 

Look out for the roof section though, as it has a little lip to it and you will need to accommodate this so the bar needs to be down from the top by about 1mm.

 

 

 

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Thanks for the advice on keeping the sides straight. Scrap etch seems to do the trick, and there is no lip on these MJT roofs so that wasn’t a problem.post-19760-0-10306800-1539678292_thumb.jpeg

 

I’ve almost completed one coach now (mainly the roof fittings to go). The underframe is something I’m not sure about as I can’t find a clear picture or diagram. Mine is fairly standard MJT, with a few Kirk bits to finish it off as I’ve exhausted my stock of MJT parts and their casting machine is temporarily out of order. There seems to be a small box with some wires on the solebar on blue/grey pictures but I think this might have been a later addition as I can’t see it on earlier pictures. If anyone knows of a decent photo or diagram then please let me know.

 

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Which underframe fid you use? As its 66ft?

David, for the floor, I used an A4 sheet of copper clad glass fibre (from Hong Kong on eBay for a few quid) cut to size by scribing and snapping (which was hard work). Then the bits from a standard 61ft MJT angle iron underframe kit soldered in place (plus Kirk bits to supplement). It’s possible that the angle iron should be slightly longer - they were on the Gresley 66ft vehicles, but as I can’t find a diagram, I’m guessing from pictures.

 

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A while since I posted. Progress on the sleepers has been steady and the first should be finished soon at which point I’ll post an update. But in the meantime I’ve been working on a BTO/TO West Riding artic twin. These are to form part of my 1951 version of the train, at which point it was a mix of ex streamlined stock and Thompson’s and this is the final piece in the jigsaw for my take on it. The sides and floors were sourced from Coopercraft - he does occasionally still do some business although it took four nagging calls and six months to get them! He couldn’t supply any other parts, so I used 247 Thompson ends which had to be filed down at the edge to fit. That gave me a shell like this.post-19760-0-39634100-1541618055_thumb.jpeg

 

The bogies are MJT for the ends and Coopercraft for the 10ft artic bogie (left over from a previous build). I have now painted them and applied my interpretation of ‘shagreen and stone walls and fawn moquette’ (as Harris describes the interior). Seats were Southern Pride and tables from my spares box - no idea where they came from. Plasticard for the interior partitions. So here is the state of play.

 

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The sleepers are finally just about finished. I’m still trying to decide what to do about the interior, but for the moment I’ve given the berth side red (second class) blinds with just a few detailed interiors representing the fact that most people would be settling down. If anyone knows how this would have been shown please shout.post-19760-0-92362900-1544790139_thumb.jpegpost-19760-0-17111400-1544790153_thumb.jpeg

 

Underframe is fairly standard MJT ( as below).

 

Two of the maroon ones are for Gilbert Barnett’s Layout, Peterborough North. The crimson and cream one will go in my 1956 version of ‘The Aberdonian’ replacing a maroon one I did a couple of years ago, and this and the final maroon one will form part of ‘The Night Scotsman’ c.1958. This will need some 66ft SLFs and a Gresley SLF twin. These are my next projects, and more shortly on them.

 

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I've now finished the ex West Riding BSO/SO artic pair. They've come out reasonably well, although the painting doesn't stand up to close scrutiny as it's very difficult painting round the Mailcoach windows.

 

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They complete my version of the West Riding service as it was in the early 1950s prior to the Mark 1s taking over. The complete train is shown towards the end of this video.

 

 

Andy

 

 

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As a change from carriages, this week I have been finishing off my SE Finecast J6. The kit went together pretty well, and I’m generally pleased with the outcome. The main problems that I had were working out where to place the boiler, and I think I may have it slightly too far forward, as I had to fill in c.1mm around the front of the cab. But if I’d placed it further back the bottom of the firebox wouldn’t have met the splashes correctly. The cab roof also needed some filling. I could only find two buffers in the kit (I probably lost them!), so I’ve used some 3D printed ones from the spares box for now, but will look for something better at the Stevenage show this weekend.

 

For the motor I used a small Mashima with a High Level gearbox which went together very nicely. I found the chassis stalled on my insulfrog diamond crossing even at full speed, so added a flywheel and I’ve now added tender pick ups using the excellent DCC concepts wipers as a belt and braces approach.

 

I’ll now give it a good run in before DCC chipping and painting.

 

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It’s a long time since my last post, but I haven’t been completely idle! There are several projects coming on including 7 coaches which will feature soon, but today, I’ve finished painting the J6 so it’s now finished apart from weathering/ coal etc.

 

 

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I'm having a concentrated effort to finish a few projects which have been on the go for far too long...in some cases over a year. The first to be finished is a Mousa models RSO for my Talisman rake (only started in November so not bad by my standards!). This will replace a RSP which has been running in the rake for far too long, because when I first completed the rake I'd never heard of Mousa Models (!) and had to make do with the closest match that Comet could provide. The rake is now complete running as it was in 1957/8.

 

The coach is shown here. It's made from Mousa sides on a Bachmann donor coach and painted in Ford Burgundy red from Halfords. Transfers are from Modelmaster.

 

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A video of the rake in action on my layout, Gresley Junction is here.

 

 

 

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I’ve also been trying to create some pipe loads. They’re not quite finished, but I’m quite pleased with how they look.  

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They're based on some photos of Stanton pipe trains and I need some lettering to write ‘Stanton’ on the side but I’m not sure of the font, so they will stay unlettered for now. I’ve also been finishing off some steel pipe loads based on McDonalds straws panted in red oxide primer. Here is a video of my pipe and steel train in action. The wagons should probably be split between a number of separate trains, but this shows them all off.

 

 

 

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I’ve been continuing with finishing off projects over Easter, and two more coaches are more or less finished. They are the SK with Ladies Retiring Room and Buffet from the Elizabethan.

 

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These two coaches will allow me to complete my 1957 version of the train. This was the last year in which these two coaches were in the train. The SK went to the Heart of Midlothian in 1958 and I’m not sure what happened to the buffet. They are both made from Southern Pride sides on a Bachmann donor. The buffet interior is quite unusual with a small eating area of 1+1 seating and a side passageway. I made it up using Southern Prides seats and windows, plasticard for the buffet counter and a Hornby Buffet detailing pack that I got on eBay from a company called LHP.

 

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The SK with LRR interior is just painted Bachmann. No need to model the LRR as it has white windows (and I don’t know what it looked like anyway!).

 

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Underframes are standard Bachmann except that they have MJT heavy duty bogies as did all coaches in the Elizabethan.

 

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just waiting for corridor connectors to finish them off, then I will post a video of the complete train.

 

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I’ve been continuing with finishing off projects over Easter, and two more coaches are more or less finished. They are the SK with Ladies Retiring Room and Buffet from the Elizabethan.

 

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These two coaches will allow me to complete my 1957 version of the train. This was the last year in which these two coaches were in the train. The SK went to the Heart of Midlothian in 1958 and I’m not sure what happened to the buffet. They are both made from Southern Pride sides on a Bachmann donor. The buffet interior is quite unusual with a small eating area of 1+1 seating and a side passageway. I made it up using Southern Prides seats and windows, plasticard for the buffet counter and a Hornby Buffet detailing pack that I got on eBay from a company called LHP.

 

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The SK with LRR interior is just painted Bachmann. No need to model the LRR as it has white windows (and I don’t know what it looked like anyway!).

 

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Underframes are standard Bachmann except that they have MJT heavy duty bogies as did all coaches in the Elizabethan.

 

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just waiting for corridor connectors to finish them off, then I will post a video of the complete train.

 

Andy 

Those look excellent.

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45 minutes ago, thegreenhowards said:

Thanks David,

 

They’re certainly much easier and quicker than those Thompson sleepers...although not so satisfying! 

 

Andy

Whose paint and lining did you use?

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