RMweb Premium Crepello Posted July 8, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 8, 2018 New topic for this one? Looks like it could be imminent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I thought it had arrived? It's the old non DCC model according to Hattons, I can't believe Bachmann would still produce a model that isn't DCC Ready Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I understood that this was originally supposed to have had a new DCC ready chassis? If so, very odd given advances elsewhere in the range to not bother or is this an attempt at keeping costs down for an entry level type model? Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I understood that this was originally supposed to have had a new DCC ready chassis? If so, very odd given advances elsewhere in the range to not bother or is this an attempt at keeping costs down for an entry level type model? Roy It's what it says on the Hattons site, capable of DCC but no socket Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 More disconcerting for me is the fact that the chassis more or less fills the interior in the product photos. Even more retro than no DCC socket? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Kernow says the same, so basically all these years waiting for the old Farish model. Can we expect more Peaks and a V2, they wouldn't be acceptable in anything less than a DCC format now and the V2 had that skirt below the boiler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 (edited) very disappointing indeed! I would have purchased a couple for our UK N gauge layout but will now give it some thought! It surprises me that Bachmann have not upgraded the chassis, I am involved with a couple of non UK outline N Gauge layouts using EMUs & DMUs from such as Kato Fleischmann, Piko etc all of whom supply models with low level mechanisms and very easy digitization methods Reading later post to mine I am pleased to see that the chassis has been modified to provide decoder space, in which case I will more than likely buy a couple. Hard wiring is no problem to me, I started in Digital in '97 hard wiring was the norm then 'DCC Ready' did not make an appearance for several years, I actually feel that a lot of experience was gained ( due to speaking to decoder suppliers & manufacturers) in those early years, That possibly would not be gained currently Edited July 8, 2018 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlambert Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I ended up buying one, even though I told myself I wouldn't. I've already got several examples that were made by Bachmann in China so I don't need another (do I really need the ones I have). But it looks OK (the basic outline), with fine quality printing, and runs well. The lack of DCC capacity doesn't bother me and at a few pence over £80 it seemed like decent value. I've posted this elsewhere on the forum but someone who wanted to have a go at N gauge could do far worse than one of these, an Union Mills 22xx or Dean goods and some Peco wagons (either kit or RTR). It's probably as close to "Railroad" level N gauge as you're going to get. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 More disconcerting for me is the fact that the chassis more or less fills the interior in the product photos. Even more retro than no DCC socket? Nope. Apparently the chassis has been slightly re-tooled so that there is space to accommodate a DCC decoder. It's then just a matter of hard wiring it in. Surely that is not difficult for a railway modeller. G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Nope. Apparently the chassis has been slightly re-tooled so that there is space to accommodate a DCC decoder. It's then just a matter of hard wiring it in. Surely that is not difficult for a railway modeller. G. I am perfectly capable of wiring a decoder in thank you. I just find the "interior" repulsive by modern day standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I am perfectly capable of wiring a decoder in thank you. I just find the "interior" repulsive by modern day standards. If it was made to modern day standards I suspect it would be a lot more expensive than the quoted price. Look on it as a modelling challenge to upgrade the interior to your requirements. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 (edited) If it was made to modern day standards I suspect it would be a lot more expensive than the quoted price. Look on it as a modelling challenge to upgrade the interior to your requirements. G I would rather pay the extra money and get a proper interior, to be frank. I suspect Farish's sales would be greater too, as many would then be tempted to buy the model as a replacement for their existing ones. No point in them doing so as things stand. There are still plenty of modelling challenges, even without this one. EDIT To get a decent interior you would possibly have to scratchbuild a new chassis or buy and adapt a Japanese one. DIY isn't necessarily a cheaper option than Farish charging for a better chassis and a decent interior themselves. Edited July 8, 2018 by Orion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 To get a decent interior you would possibly have to scratchbuild a new chassis or buy and adapt a Japanese one. DIY isn't necessarily a cheaper option than Farish charging for a better chassis and a decent interior themselves. I don't think anyone has suggested DIY, or some actual modelling, is necessarily cheaper - but you will get satisfaction in undertaking it and would start from a relatively cheaper position. I would also suggest that an all new upgraded model won't necessarily attract lot of people to replace their older versions. Some will have improved the model themselves and there seems to be many N gauge enthusiasts who baulk at the current high prices. With part of the market satisfied it's not a sure fire cert to sell well. No doubt Bachmann considered such things when deciding to produce a new batch and the investment cost of upgrading the tooling. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 (edited) I don't think anyone has suggested DIY, or some actual modelling, is necessarily cheaper - but you will get satisfaction in undertaking it and would start from a relatively cheaper position. I would also suggest that an all new upgraded model won't necessarily attract lot of people to replace their older versions. Some will have improved the model themselves and there seems to be many N gauge enthusiasts who baulk at the current high prices. With part of the market satisfied it's not a sure fire cert to sell well. No doubt Bachmann considered such things when deciding to produce a new batch and the investment cost of upgrading the tooling. G I could quote several locos that have been totally revamped, presumably at vast expense like the 8F. These things are really just matters of opinion Grahame. We could go on for decades arguing the point without anyone actually ever being proved more right than the other. I am sticking to my opinion. Edited July 8, 2018 by Orion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 (edited) I hope it does well. I won’t buy one as I already have two. I think they are very good looking models and find them to be perfectly acceptable. Ok they may not be up to the latest standards but they are much more affordable than a newly tooled one would be. What’s more really don’t think many people would notice the lack of interior on this model when in use. I certainly can’t see the interiors of my coaches or dmus when they go past. I like well detailed models that look like the real thing and I don’t like saying this but there is a danger that the continuous demand for ever more detailed models at ever increasing prices could do long term damage to the hobby. Edited July 8, 2018 by Chris M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 These things are really just matters of opinion Grahame. We could go on for decades arguing the point without anyone actually ever being proved more right than the other. I am sticking to my opinion. Not really. Bachmann have decided not to fully upgrade this model. That's not a matter of opinion. Presumable they took a business decision based on their research and considered market conditions. As Chris M (above) has mentioned, there are those who won't replace existing models - especially where the body was relatively good in the first place - but no doubt they feel they might have a reasonable chance with a basic low priced version. G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ian Posted July 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2018 Well Bachmann has sold out of the GWR version so they would seem to have made the right call there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Still hoping that Dapol put their 00 version through the shrink-ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) Still hoping that Dapol put their 00 version through the shrink-ray. And they sort of manage seating in their units with underfloor engines in N and DCC socket as well. Edited July 9, 2018 by woodenhead 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Hmmm. I'm sure that WAY back when I placed my order for this, I'd been told that it was being re-tooled to bring it up to date. The mechanism fills the entire body - so no chance of putting sound in, never mind a decent interior. A small recess has been dug into the top of the chassis block and two black wires emerge nearby. The body comes off easily if you just slightly open the bottom edges. I'm surprised to find that there's no leaflet suggesting how to instal a decoder and my local retailer was unable to supply a decoder made for hard-wiring so it's actually necessary to buy one with a plug and cut the plug off! Bachmann really seem to have turned the clock back with this one. (CJL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OFFTHE RAILS Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Nope. Apparently the chassis has been slightly re-tooled so that there is space to accommodate a DCC decoder. It's then just a matter of hard wiring it in. Surely that is not difficult for a railway modeller. G. Is the motor the type which requires a "digihat" brush insulator when fitting a decoder? Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Al Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Is the motor the type which requires a "digihat" brush insulator when fitting a decoder? Ian No - that's older Poole chassied models. Cheers, Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 (edited) Well, I have successfully installed a decoder in it and it runs very nicely. Curiously my railcar contained no printed information, so no advice on which decoder to use. The cut-out is just big enough for a very small decoder, but be warned, there's no space at all for any wires and if you use heat-shrink sleeves (as I reckoned were essential) you make matters worse. So, hard-wiring the decoder is easy enough but use the shortest possible wires and line the cut-out in the chassis with insulating tape. (CJL) Edited July 14, 2018 by dibber25 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 Looks nice enough to me with a milk tank trailing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryinMadrid Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Agreed, it's perhaps not state-of-the-art- but from an operating distance it looks rather good, and that massive chassis gives it enough weight to run like a dream straight from the box- quiet and smooth, really good low speed, even on my badly-laid and rather tarnished track... It'll do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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