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Whilst stuck at home due to a flat battery on the old motor (and a smart battery charger that’s gone stupid, a set of jump leads that have disappeared to god-knows-where...) I’ve finally got round to finishing the DCC instal on the little wickham trolley.  Bought at the Chasewater Railway back in September, it’s had a Zimo MX616R fitted under the floor, connecting to the original circuit board.  To accommodate this, a bit of the chassis was removed using a Dremel and burr.  The modification.

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Decoder trial fitted.

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Circuit board modified with extraneous bits removed and solder pads drilled out to allow connection of the wires.  With the chokes removed, the LH pads (in line with the L1/L2) are to the pickups and the RH (to the left of the E3299 legend) to the motor.

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On its trial run.  Runs very nicely, with the pickups on the trolley and the trailing trailer axle it has few issues.

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Following another painless wallet extraction at my local, a bit more progress.  First, the fiddleyard has come on a bit further, with the fixed part of the two long sidings going down.  These will have an either folding or removable extension section (when I’ve finished designing it) to extend them to take a 5 carriage rake with loco (so the plywood and G clamp bufferstop is entirely temporary).

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Secondly, the road bridge area is getting a bit more detail, with a pair of Bachmann PWay workers who’ve joined the highways department with their theodolite, cones and Scale model scenery traffic lights.  Some road markings will appear at some point as well.  There’s also handrails for the bridge to fit.

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A bit more progress with the fiddleyard, in time for Christmas.  The idea is the two sidings will have a removable extension to allow them to take a 5 car rake (incidentally, the reason I’m going down this route and simply not adding a second board is space (or rather the lack of) in the garage).  So this is mocked up in plywood.

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This is then fitted with two lengths of ally angle along the edges, to brace it and make it harder (note - not ‘impossible’) to knock stuff off.  The temporary g clamp is replaced with two ally strips (which are secured into either a double thickness of the 12mm ply or a batten under the ply) to retain it and a load test performed, to see if it had (or needed) legs.

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With the test resulting in a deflection of 4mm at the end, it was decided this would be rigid enough, so track and a toggle clip to retain it were added.

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Finally, copperclad was added to secure the rail ends and the electrical connections were completed, to allow the first test train to run.

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To allow running with this section removed, a shorter section was also made, to remove the risk of anything taking a nose dive off the end.

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As a last Christmas special, here’s another of those moving pictures.  A quick overflight of the layout, to give an idea of what’s where.  Apologies for the shaky camerawork, I was trying not to trip on the leads across the floor.  Enjoy.

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Having spent Christmas in my care bubble on the opposite side of the Pennines, it’s back to it and a testing and development session with the new fiddleyard.  Very happy, no issues with trackwork or rolling stock, so we’ll call that a result.

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Incidentally, with its maximum load of two rakes of rolling stock and locos, vertical deflection of the extension is about 1mm measured at the end.

 

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20 hours ago, Firecracker said:

You can tell I got bored over Christmas, can't you?  Here's a bit of worldbuilding nonsense, explaining how some of these locos ended up in this corner of NW England.

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Interesting and entirely credible! If only 44781 HAD been rescued.....

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27 minutes ago, Colin said:

Interesting and entirely credible! If only 44781 HAD been rescued.....

Glad you like it, it came about on Christmas Eve when I was bored.  44781, I know someone who drove out of Stratford, who in turn knew someone who was with the March breakdown gang who would have recovered it.  It was literally that close, a few phone calls and the ‘old boy’ network would have made the bill disappear and it had been arranged to end up at Carnforth.  Just need either Hornby to retool the black five or find a 44xxx series at a price I’m prepared to pay and breath on it a bit.

 

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Having written up that nonsense, I realised the 4F hadn’t been out for a while, so that was remedied with a photocharter with the goods rake.  This also served to trial the goods rake with the new fiddleyard, again, no problems.

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Also another of those moving pictures.  Enjoy.

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21 hours ago, Firecracker said:

You can tell I got bored over Christmas, can't you?  Here's a bit of worldbuilding nonsense, explaining how some of these locos ended up in this corner of NW England.

 

Great read - there's something absorbing about alternate history!

 

I enjoyed doing something similar for Great Coles Wood Halt: -

https://www.greatcoleswoodhalt.com/history

 

It reminds me of a thread discussing why preserved railways tend to be "so unpopular" - I think a good backstory always helps.

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16 minutes ago, jafcreasey said:

 

Great read - there's something absorbing about alternate history!

 

I enjoyed doing something similar for Great Coles Wood Halt: -

https://www.greatcoleswoodhalt.com/history

 

It reminds me of a thread discussing why preserved railways tend to be "so unpopular" - I think a good backstory always helps.

Well, thank you very much!  It’s on the first edit, it may yet get tweaked a bit.  There’s also part two, with how the Park Royal railbus survived long enough to be adopted by Derby RTC, the unique Smiths of Rodley crane (I can prove at least one was built, I suspect as a prototype) the Pway acquired and recovering LMS compartment coaches from Scottish farms..  At some point I may write the history of the line, how it fits with other preserved lines in the area and maybe some of the noodle incidents hinted at in this.  I also refuse to apologies for the hats tipped to favourite fictional characters and Ruston (of this parish) superb ‘Charlie Strong Metals’ both as a piece of modelling and a tribute to a favourite TV series.

 

Can you tell I like alternate history?  I remember reading in RM years ago articles on two layouts, one was an extension of the Cambrian coast to Abersoch, the second was some lovely little S&D branch in the Somerset coalfield, the name of which eludes me.  Both had extensive false histories in the article, which both added a brilliant depth to the article.

 

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29 minutes ago, jafcreasey said:

 

Great read - there's something absorbing about alternate history!

 

I enjoyed doing something similar for Great Coles Wood Halt: -

https://www.greatcoleswoodhalt.com/history

 

It reminds me of a thread discussing why preserved railways tend to be "so unpopular" - I think a good backstory always helps.

A backstory helps because it forces you to focus on the plausible, even if it's a fictional location.  I remember in the thread you've linked that it was the random nature of loco collections on most model "preserved" railways, that made them disappointing to most RMWebbers.  And why is it ALWAYS a Gala Weekend?

There are so many features of Sedburgh that reflect a real preserved railway and it's clearly based on research and observation, no less than if you were modelling a railway in the pre-1968 steam era, or now.

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4 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

A backstory helps because it forces you to focus on the plausible, even if it's a fictional location.  I remember in the thread you've linked that it was the random nature of loco collections on most model "preserved" railways, that made them disappointing to most RMWebbers.  And why is it ALWAYS a Gala Weekend?

There are so many features of Sedburgh that reflect a real preserved railway and it's clearly based on research and observation, no less than if you were modelling a railway in the pre-1968 steam era, or now.

Thank you very much.  Absolutely.  Your last sentence sums up it perfectly for me.  I can point to bits that don’t quite gel, say only 4-5 Carr rakes and they must have some extensive workshops, to be able to take on the amount of work they have.  But space restraints force my hand on the first and the second, well maybe they took a leaf out of the South Devon’s book?   At Sedbergh, sure, it can be a gala, with loco swaps, 4 rakes of coaches running plus a demo goods and DMU’s (but it’s got the constraints of shift the Ruston and it’s wagons out of the yard and park it somewhere, or some of the coaches are the tatty spares that aren’t usually in traffic) or it can be a quiet day of a DMU and one rake of coaches peacefully trundling up and down the valley.  The one bit I would add given enough space is a bit more derelict rolling stock lying about, the extension mentioned earlier (which is now on about MK7 and no timber’s been cut yet) will hopefully add further exhibits in the fascinating world of rot and corrosion display.

 

Then there’s another factor, which I’ll dub ‘reality is unrealistic’.  Take a loco that must have crossed paths with at least two of the fleet, 44806.  Bought direct from BR, to Carnforth, to L&HR, condemned with firebox issues, to Southport on static display, then to MOSI, to Llangollen and repair, then finally to NYMR.  A standard 4 on static display at Levens Hall is quite feasible alongside that...

 

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On 31/12/2020 at 14:04, Firecracker said:

You can tell I got bored over Christmas, can't you?  Here's a bit of worldbuilding nonsense, explaining how some of these locos ended up in this corner of NW England.

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I love this kind of worldbuilding - a well-thought out loco roster makes a model of a ficticious heritage railway that much more believable. I see a lot of people model their own heritage railways, but then shatter any sense of realism with their megalomaniacal locomotive rosters!

Funnily enough, I also have 7739 and 76080 on the roster of my own budding fictional heritage line. I also picked up 3817 and 4156 - like 76080, they were unfortunate enough to have been scrapped at Barry after 1965.

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1 hour ago, MattA said:

I love this kind of worldbuilding - a well-thought out loco roster makes a model of a ficticious heritage railway that much more believable. I see a lot of people model their own heritage railways, but then shatter any sense of realism with their megalomaniacal locomotive rosters!

Funnily enough, I also have 7739 and 76080 on the roster of my own budding fictional heritage line. I also picked up 3817 and 4156 - like 76080, they were unfortunate enough to have been scrapped at Barry after 1965.

Thank you very much!  Glad you like it.  I’ll admit to a little secret, the only loco that was intentionally bought for the layout was the standard 4 mogul.  Everything else was (apart from the pannier, that was bought when Bachman first released the Blue Riband 57XX) was encountered at a very good price and so a main fleet of class 4 locos appeared.  The black five is waiting me finding a suitable model at the right price and it’s not impossible (again, if one enters my life at a good price) an 8F may join the fleet, because a) I do like the Stanier designs and b) its going to be finished as 48756, due to a family connection, it was the last steam loco overhauled at Horwich works and a great uncle of mine (one Roy Yates) is visible in one of the official photos of it being outshopped.  4156 nearly made the cut, I do like the large prairies.

 

Here’s a brief taster of pt 2, The coaches, wagons, DMU’s and cranes of the L,S&I.Rly.

 

Park Royal railbus, no. SC79970

This unique survivor owns its survival to the Railway Technical Centre at Derby.  Withdrawn in 1968 from Ayr, it was threatened with scrapping, however when Wickham track recording car DB999507 was heavily damaged in a collision with derailed goods wagons outside Tamworth, RTC attention turned to the recently redundant Park Royal vehicles.  Although made redundant from their intended role due to line closures and the arrival of new DMU stock, the otherwise reliable vehicles (SC79970 and sister SC79971) were stripped of their internal fittings and asbestos insulation at Derby works and conveyed to the RTC, where the pair were to be fitted out for the duties of the now scrapped DB99507.  However, budget restrictions lead to only one being converted, with SC79971 becoming a spares donor and later the body being grounded as a shunters cabin.  Withdrawn from the RTC, SC79970 entered service at Sedbergh following removal of the RTC modifications and the installation of seating salvaged from a Leyland Atlantean bus.  Due to the lack of drawgear to run with other stock, it often finds itself used for private parties, driver experience and inspection duties, but is regularly used on the lightly loaded winter services.

 

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35 minutes ago, Firecracker said:

I’ll admit to a little secret, the only loco that was intentionally bought for the layout was the standard 4 mogul.

Very frugal! As for me, I'm a sucker for GWR locos so I was bound to buy some anyway. I've had some particularly lucky bargains, especially the eBay auction that won me the 38xx for about 60% of the price that most other examples were selling at!

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21 minutes ago, MattA said:

Very frugal! As for me, I'm a sucker for GWR locos so I was bound to buy some anyway. I've had some particularly lucky bargains, especially the eBay auction that won me the 38xx for about 60% of the price that most other examples were selling at!

The 4F was a bit like that.  Found at Shipley show missing the outer box and at a price I wasn’t walking away from (about half what it should have been).  The rest, the 4-6-0 standard was bought at the first show (Doncaster) I attended having got back into the hobby, the jinty was a dizzying 25 quid off the club secondhand stall at Manchester (OK, it came with a bonus of an incinerated Gaugemaster decoder and a grand total of 1 step), the 101 DMU came from the WHR (P) shop at Porthmadog, where having blown the dust off and found the price tag unreadable the gaffer plucked a figure of 60 quid out of the air and asked if that was ok?  The 56xx and the class 15 came from a mate slimming down his collection at the start of the year.  Everything else had either been bought up to 18 years before or came from my local (who were very pleased to see me return to the hobby).

 

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More progress, on and around the road bridge.  First up, to give a reason for the roadworks and to hide a join in the road surface, some patches of new tarmac were added.  First the area was masked off, to ensure straight edges.

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Then new tarmac (unadulterated Payne’s grey acrylic) was added and the masking removed.

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Finally, the long awaited handrails (Scale Model Scenery) were added to the bridge and due to Armstong’s wagon not fitting (the idea of the roadworks and lights is to give a reason for the stationary road traffic) it was replaced with a landy.  The DMU and the mogul pose on the bridge.

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Next, I’m experimenting with this, aiming for the glint of  water in the bottom of the drainage ditch.  

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So both ends of the ditch are sealed (with a scrap of black foam core board and masking tape) and the gunk dripped in.  Looks pretty good, I’ll let it dry and see how much it’s soaked in, if it needs another coat.

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A quick update on the Vallejo acrylic water effect seen above.  Short version - very happy with it.  It’s dried nearly crystal clear, no cloudiness.  No mess, dead easy to apply and little smell.  Because it’s been cold in the garage it’s had the heater sat under the baseboard to encourage it a bit.  It took three applications (the bottle says a max of 3mm depth per layer) and at least one of those applications served to seal the base of the channel and prevent the next layer soaking in.  To apply it I just dripped it into the channel, it self levels beautifully and there’s no major meniscus around the edges.  Any bubbles that appeared were easily removed with a cocktail stick.  It gives that glint of water in the channel and a pool at the mouth of the culvert which was exactly what I was after.   Just a bit of algae on the culvert sidewalls and a few plants (Noch laser cut) to add.  Next up is the patch of less than stunning static grass to the right (where the pheasant’s strutting about) that wants to improve a bit, it’s not quite up to snuff.

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And a bit more.  As threatened, the shrubbery around the channel’s grown a bit and the static grass improved.  Noch laser cut goodies (some of which have been in stock for nearly 2 years) and woodland scenics.  Particularly taken with the effect of the ferns.

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Some livestock’s (Bachmann) started to appear in the fields.  Need bedding down into the static grass properly, some are levitating a bit.

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A bit more cosmetic work’s been completed.  The two RH boards have gained the beginnings of a back scene from foam core board and in an effort to improve the presentation the outer frame of the road bridge board has been clad in craft foam. The other boards will follow once I’ve got more materials.  Just got to do something about the mess under the boards now...
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To break up the transition at the fiddle yard end, a drystone wall (unknown resin casting) has been added and needs bedding in.

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This means I can now get photos which don’t feature a milling machine or other piece of workshop paraphernalia looming in the background like something out of a budget remake of war of the worlds.  
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A bit more scenic work this time, filling in the rear of the embankment in front of the new back scene.  The aim was to create an impression of woodland along the rear of the embankment and based on an idea out of model railroader, I decided to see if it could be attached to the back scene.  So various small woodland scenics trea armatures were taken, clump foliage added secured with hot melt glue, the inevitable glue strands removed, sprayed with Peco’s layering spray for static grass and woodlands scenic fine mixed turf dusted over them, resulting in these.

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Holes were then made in the foamcore board with a bradawl and the mini trees secured with more hot melt glue.

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The result, with a couple of glue strands to remove, a bit of underbrush to add and the tree in the field to gain a bit of blending around its base.

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Finally, the 4f (both running round and departing with a southbound train) and the bubble car (the next item for a spot of weathering and a pair of more regionally appropriate destination blinds) pose in front of the new backdrop.

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Something I do like with modelling a preserved line is adding little details that are historically incorrect, but in a preserved context are perfectly reasonable.  So, the class 15’s gained a pair of Railtec’s Stratford sparrows...

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And the bubble cars gained a pair of regionally appropriate destinations (Railtec again), but I’d be very surprised if one ever carried these in service (I’m planning to order some custom from Railtec for the 101, ‘Low Gill’ and ‘Ingleton’, the Park Royal is getting ‘Special’ blinds, when I get round to dissecting it again).

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Watching the progress here is some slight compensation for not being able the be there. Will we get to see a photo background of Winder on the new backboard?

 

I do like the ditch. No such thing as a dry ditch in that part of the world!

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Being honest, the backboard was purely so I could get photos without some random item of workshop detritus photobombing the layout!  It’s politely described as a work in progress.  I’ve got a few ideas, and I do have several high res photos of the local scenery taken a few years ago, so watch this space.  Glad you like and and I’m happy to compensate for not being able to get across there.

 

Someone commented elsewhere about how it couldn’t be the lakes, it wasn’t raining.  I nearly replied that’s because it’s set on a particular day, the one day in June 2019 it didn’t rain!  I’m pleased with the ditch as well, particularly the Vallejo water effect, it’s highly recommended.  

 

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