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Someone commented elsewhere about how it couldn’t be the lakes, it wasn’t raining.  

 

Quite right too. Being in the rain shadow of the Lake District mountains, it doesn't rain quite so much in the Lune Valley. Not but what it doesn't make Durham seem like the Sahara.

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A bit more, I was given this model of a Wallis & Stevens Advance roller (I think it’s the Springside kit) as a ‘see if you can do anything with it’.  Completely separately, I’d fancied a roller or similar parked up in a corner (12”-1’  road steam’s another of my interests).  So, with a few repairs and bits of plastic bag as a tarp off the canopy, it’s getting there.  Needs the water lifter hoses on the belly tanks touching up, the rolls rusting a bit, a cap on the chimney and some odds and sods around it, but I’m liking it.

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Next the landrover waiting at the lights has acquired a driver, who’s busy on his phone whilst waiting.  The puggy behind him’s LHD, so it’s being hidden a bit.  The back scene - I’ve got several photos taken of that spot with the road beyond the bridge, so watch this space.  Road markings are awaited too...

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A bit more, a rummage in the random figures bin later, the bubble car’s acquired a demobbed RN crew.

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Then it’s had a gentle weathering session.  Haven’t fitted the pipes to the buffer beams yet, because it might be getting either a second bubble or a trailer car to run with.

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On the subject of weathering, I’ve been playing with the watercolour pencils again and this milk tanker is the result.

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Finally, the roller has been breathed on, the front roll has been removed, the scrapers tweaked so they’re level, the roll reset in a turn (how it’s manoeuvred into its parking spot) and the rust on the rolls improved.

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Another snow day here, so the Ruston emerged and knocked a short Pway train around.  Hopefully the driver and guard reached a clear understanding over the use of a radio for the propelling move.

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A bit more.  Regular viewers may remember that I’d obtained a LMS suburban brake 3rd, mainly because it was cheap.  Well, this afternoon, I dug this out and sat the two alongside each other.  Body wise, not too bad.  The less said about the airfix chassis and the glazing, the better.  But ideas have started to trundle round my brain.

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Now, inspired by this and the generic pregrouping coaches released by Hornby and threatened by Hattons, along with the threads on the same that are running on here, I’ve written a bit more ‘what if’ nonsense, as a justification for how these could survive (hint - that Airfix coach isn’t quite what it appears to be).

 

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As I said, the chassis on that Dapol/airfix effort is showing its age alongside the Hornby effort, so consultations (both here and elsewhere) gave no engineering reason why this couldn’t be done in 12”-1’.  So, take the chassis of a Bachmann Mark 1 BG, cut the corridor ends off, a minor trim, some filing and three holes for self tapping screws later (it actually fits together rather nicely) you get this.

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Now if that’s not going to upset the purists, I’m not sure what will.  Oh, hang on a minute....

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That better?

 

Thoughts - the glazing’s doesn’t look too hideous (but will probably get replaced anyway), the paint job (if I can get rid of that plastic sheen) isn’t too bad and the fit of that roof needs looking at (and that’s the better side).  But I think it’s got legs.

 

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Recently the bench seemed to have accumulated a collection of coaches all needing couplers.  There was that LMS frankencoach, a Mark 1 RU and a random BG.  Now on the Bachmann coaches I originally used the close coupling NEM pockets as made, however they’re slightly too high and stuff randomly uncoupling gets on your wick after a while.  So what I do now is because a lot of the coaches run in fixed rakes I use the close couplers within the rake and on the ends or coaches that aren’t in a fixed rake fit something different.  Now I’ve previously modified the bogie mounted tension locks Bachmann supply on some mk1’s and spare bogies for this, however, I’ve run out of those, so It’s plan B.  I prefer to fit an NEM pocket where I can, so any future conversions are easier.  Following a bit of experimentation, I found a NEM pocket secured to two scraps of 0.060” square evergreen styrene was at the correct height (use Cyano to secure the pocket to the styrene, solvent adhesives won’t touch the plastic of the pocket).  The bogie frame might also require a minor tweak with a pair of side cutters to get clearance as well.

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Because the frankencoach is on a BG chassis, it gets the same.  So the LMS compartment rake grows.

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And the Frankencoach returns (or departs the bench for the penultimate time).  So, the interior has been painted and modded to suggest the wheelchair access (also added a second lavvy compartment, to justify the extra windows in the body side and the extra length between the brake and the passenger compartments). mentioned above.  

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Then it’s got lightly weathered with Mig washes.  I’ve deliberate left the bogies alone, to suggest it’s recently  ex works.  The lavvy compartment windows have been whited out and the awful glazing in the brake end replaced with something a bit more flush.

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Just needs renumbering and (if I can find some) some wheelchair transfers on that set of double doors.

 

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A job that’s on the agenda is covering/replacing the plastic coal that’s in loco bunkers and tenders.  One of my associates supplied me with a suitable lump of genuine steam coal.

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Might need breaking up a bit...

 

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A bit more progress, mostly electrical.  A few last irritations have been dealt with, a couple of loose connections aren’t any more and the last two point motors on the north crossover have finally gone in (they’ve only been sat wired up and ready to go since June).  Ignore the trap switches on the control box, that isn’t getting a motor, the plan changed after the box front was assembled.  The back scene will follow when I can get hold of some foamcore board.

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A visitor from the KWVR has arrived and gets a session on the rollers, a suitable decoder is on order.

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Finally, whilst wrangling the electrics, here’s a couple of photos from the ‘operating’ side.

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A bit of transfer work today, an order from Railtec (with their usual swift service) arrived during the week.  First up, these two modified coaches got their wheelchair symbols.

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Second, was a custom pack to renumber the pannier.  This included their 3D plates (both smokebox, shedplate and number), which are stunning in the flesh.  Their BR emblems are better than the Bachmann efforts, so those got replaced as well.  The Bachmann efforts were removed with a cotton wool bud soaked in white spirit.

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First time I’ve used these 3D plates, very impressed and they apply with the usual ease of Railtec’s products.  Just don’t use any decal setting solutions, Railtec say explicitly int he instructions not to and they’re dead right.  

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Those transfers look good. I like the detail of the wheelchair-accessible coaches too - just right for a preserved line!

 

..but, and I hate to break this to you, the cab is wrong for 7739! :wacko: The real 7739 had the original 57xx cab with the round portholes.

 

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It makes me tempted to come up with a story as to how it ended up with a 8750-type cab! Maybe spare parts from 3612?

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2 hours ago, MattA said:

Those transfers look good. I like the detail of the wheelchair-accessible coaches too - just right for a preserved line!

 

..but, and I hate to break this to you, the cab is wrong for 7739! :wacko: The real 7739 had the original 57xx cab with the round portholes.

 

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It makes me tempted to come up with a story as to how it ended up with a 8750-type cab! Maybe spare parts from 3612?

That’ll teach me to research things properly!  Leave it with us.  Wonder if LT swapped cabs around?  Did they overhaul themselves or have BR do it?

 

EDIT - I reckon it was changed in preservation, probably at its first overhaul, to give crews more headroom.  What I should have done is researched first, so a copy of John Scott-Morgan’s ‘Red Panniers’ is now on order from Bill Hudson.

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AFAIK none of the LT panniers had the later cab, in fact the earlier versions required a little surgery around the rain strips due to clearance issues.

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3 hours ago, Colin said:

AFAIK none of the LT panniers had the later cab, in fact the earlier versions required a little surgery around the rain strips due to clearance issues.

Having actually now done some research, rather than just picked a number at random, I believe you’re right.  Didn’t know about the clearance issues, but that makes perfect sense.

 

Isn’t the first time I’ve leapt before looking, won’t be the last.  Such is life.

 

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In case you fancied adding an actual 8750 to the fleet, there are a couple of good candidates;

 

I mention 3612 above as this was taken from Barry to the SVR and dismantled for spare parts for other locos.

 

3681 and 3758 were set aside for preservation on the proposed Yatton line preservation scheme in 1966. When the Yatton project fell through, the two Panniers were sent for scrap.

 

9792 survived at NCB Mardy until 1973.

 

In fact I have a pretty extensive list of possible 'could have been preserved' engines on my PC, made as part of my own research into possible locos for my own layout - I must get round to posting that sometime...

 

 

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1 hour ago, MattA said:

In case you fancied adding an actual 8750 to the fleet, there are a couple of good candidates;

 

I mention 3612 above as this was taken from Barry to the SVR and dismantled for spare parts for other locos.

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That was one candidate.  I’m not quite sure why I plumped for an ex. LT example over that, but heigh ho.  

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In fact I have a pretty extensive list of possible 'could have been preserved' engines on my PC, made as part of my own research into possible locos for my own layout - I must get round to posting that sometime...

 


 

Yes, you should, I’d certainly be interested in reading that.  I’d like to pretend there was a great plan and locos were carefully chosen with an eye to how they could have survived, but apart from the standard mogul they weren’t. They are what was available at the right price that I liked.

 

Bit like the process on the real thing, really....

 

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Here's a list that might be of interest, then - individual locomotives either with some sort of known effort made to try and preserve them, or could well have survived by other means with a bit more luck. Most of the loco types featured probably aren't too shocking, but there are several J15s and IoW O2s mentioned and I even found an excuse for a Midland 1P!

 

Preserved might have beens.pdf

 

There's also a lot that the list doesn't include... For one thing, the list only features steam locos that are (or will be) available in RTR form. The following are also not in the list, as they would simply be too much for me to include individually:

  • Diesel locomotives
  • Locomotives that survived until near the end of steam in their respective regions. Includes (but not limited to) several Black 5s, 8Fs, Fairburns, BR 4-6-0s, 9Fs, Bulleid Pacifics, USA tanks, K1s, Q6s, J36s and Manors.
  • Locomotives that were withdrawn from the same shed and at about the same time as engines that were sent to Barry - I like to imagine a little change in the paper work could have got them sent to Barry! Includes (but not limited to) several Halls, 2251s, various GWR/LMS/SR moguls, 4Fs, 7Fs, Jintys, more Bulleid Pacifics and more BR Standards.
  • The N7s withdrawn at the point of Stratford shed's closure - Stratford was infamous for resisting sending ex-GER locos to scrap, as demonstrated by the J15s in the above list.
  • Individual Hunslet Austerities - because there's so many of them!!

 

So @Firecrackeryour 4F, Jinty and 4MT 4-6-0 are perfectly justifiable (and justify them you have), but they aren't strictly included in the PDF list for reasons explained above. Much like I've justified 4564 (last of the 4500s to be withdrawn) on my own line.

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2 hours ago, MattA said:

Here's a list that might be of interest, then - individual locomotives either with some sort of known effort made to try and preserve them, or could well have survived by other means with a bit more luck. Most of the loco types featured probably aren't too shocking, but there are several J15s and IoW O2s mentioned and I even found an excuse for a Midland 1P!

 

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That is a fantastic bit of work, I knew of some,  I never knew Billy Butlin had his eye on a king, or the patriot, or that the SVR got several 15xx’s (which are lovely locos).  That’s given me a lot of ideas and was very educational into the bargain.  Thanks for that.

 

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On 21/02/2021 at 12:46, MattA said:

It makes me tempted to come up with a story as to how it ended up with a 8750-type cab! Maybe spare parts from 3612?

And speaking of 3612, where did that end up?   Oh yes, some of it went into that NCB pannier with the knackered block at Llangollen....thinks.....  Hang on lads, I’ve got an idea.  A bit of the old background detail.  The tank wagon chassis should be straightforward.  Anyone got a pannier body they don’t want?

(photo cribbed from http://www.llangollen-railway.org.uk/sloco7754.html, credit (I believe) John Rutter)

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3 hours ago, MattA said:

Here's a list that might be of interest, then - individual locomotives either with some sort of known effort made to try and preserve them, or could well have survived by other means with a bit more luck. Most of the loco types featured probably aren't too shocking, but there are several J15s and IoW O2s mentioned and I even found an excuse for a Midland 1P!

 

Preserved might have beens.pdf 426.69 kB · 12 downloads

 

There's also a lot that the list doesn't include... For one thing, the list only features steam locos that are (or will be) available in RTR form. The following are also not in the list, as they would simply be too much for me to include individually:

  • Diesel locomotives
  • Locomotives that survived until near the end of steam in their respective regions. Includes (but not limited to) several Black 5s, 8Fs, Fairburns, BR 4-6-0s, 9Fs, Bulleid Pacifics, USA tanks, K1s, Q6s, J36s and Manors.
  • Locomotives that were withdrawn from the same shed and at about the same time as engines that were sent to Barry - I like to imagine a little change in the paper work could have got them sent to Barry! Includes (but not limited to) several Halls, 2251s, various GWR/LMS/SR moguls, 4Fs, 7Fs, Jintys, more Bulleid Pacifics and more BR Standards.
  • The N7s withdrawn at the point of Stratford shed's closure - Stratford was infamous for resisting sending ex-GER locos to scrap, as demonstrated by the J15s in the above list.
  • Individual Hunslet Austerities - because there's so many of them!!

 

So @Firecrackeryour 4F, Jinty and 4MT 4-6-0 are perfectly justifiable (and justify them you have), but they aren't strictly included in the PDF list for reasons explained above. Much like I've justified 4564 (last of the 4500s to be withdrawn) on my own line.

Thanks for that, you've saved me from finishing a similar list I started drafting some time ago and there's certainly a few I wasn't aware of.  I also included those Barry residents which survived beyond 1965, which also leaves some interesting diesels....

69005 was certainly one on my list and one of my beloved old Mainline J72s is due to gain this number as a preserved loco, it was only 18 years old when it was scrapped.  The 94xxs you listed were half that age!

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Finally got round to fitting the custom destination blinds to the 101 DMU (thanks Railtec!).  Ended up popping the existing head code out, removing the text from the rear of the glazing block and refitting it.  The transfer was then applied on top and a strip of clear acrylic applied over the top, secured with a dab of ‘Glue and Glaze’

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Whilst having a furtle in some drawers (as is my wont), I discovered the remains of some Cooper Craft station nameboards  (to be precise, two incomplete sprues of lettering).  So, the station’s finally gained a name board.  The board itself is made up of Evergreen styrene sections and considering there wasn’t a ‘B’ or an ‘R’ on either of the sprues (but there were several ‘P’s’and a ‘X’) it hasn’t turned out too bad.  It’s standing slightly too high, but it’s a start.

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I have just found this thread. Really enjoyed reading through it. I love models of the preservation era and this really captures it. I look forward to further updates and videos.

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Something slightly different, as mentioned earlier the railway has acquired several modern air braked wagons for pway work (replacing older life expired wagons in the process).  So the 47 (itself on loan, although that didn’t stop the moaning about the state of the paintwork) trundles north with a short rake, then returns Southbound with a second for some drainage works around Ingleton (it’s acquired the Queen Mary brake because a) there’s a gang of volunteers to transport and b) the lowmac’s a swinger).

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