Martin S-C Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 Hi Brassey, you haven't missed anything - the system doesn't cater for them. They are not needed on my layout. Generally speaking most NPCS vehicles will be added to passenger trains. Most goods trains will be unfitted but the operator who marshals a freight would be able to build one with a fitted head if there were sufficient vehicles of the necessary type. It might transpire that the system would generate a fully fitted freight but that would be by chance. Within the scope of my layout It would still only be a trip freight or pick up goods though. It would be easy enough, if one were editing the system for one's own layout, to incorporate capacity for fitted trains. Since creating the system and testing it, a number of shortcomings have arisen so I am reworking it. These changes however don't include the working-in of fitted freights as these would not run on my layout in any case. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronL Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 On 13/08/2019 at 15:15, Brassey said: Your freight system does not seem to take account of fitted and unfitted trains, unless I've missed something Hi Brassey. Thanks for that. It hadn't occurred to me because Martin's list of requirements made no mention of fitted / unfitted. However, it got the brain cells working. Rather than pollute Martin's thread with GeekSpeak I've posted a detailed answer to the problem here. Regards Cam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 Not a great deal happening with the build at the moment. Neil is taking a well-earned break and my modelling mojo hit rock bottom recently with the illness of a very dear friend. However she is due out of hospital tomorrow and with that good news, yesterday I picked up paintbrush and makeup sponges again and had a go at a few private owner vans. I realise those dedicated to higher modelling and realism standards than I would never have such vehicles on their layouts and I fully understand such decisions when modelling a real location in a real world (I would do the same) but I have always had a soft spot for these Dapol fictional liveried vans and I feel that in a fantasy world like mine they do have their place. Even I, however, avoid the sillier liveries and fonts, some of which are too modern in styling. Some are post grouping but... well, I like them. They lift the colour and mood a little against the fleet of company vans with which I am more limited as to colours and styles, although I did go to town a bit with my GWR inspired red for the WELR fleet. In due course I'll repaint a few vehicles for the owners of industries on my layout. The Snarling gasworks will need a coal wagon or two and the Ledwardine brewery a couple of ale vans. I should probably do some stone wagons for the Forest Stone Co. and Catspaw Quarry. From my MSTS (train simulator) days I will have a horse drawn van lettered up for "Willoughby Fox-Stoate Industrial Adhesives - Carrick Island" which was an industry on a NG empire virtual layout I never finished. In recognition of the one virtual route I did finish I'll possibly have vehicles lettered for the real firms of the Oriental Matting Co., Vorda Works and Bartrop & Sons Agricultural Engineers both of Highworth. Now that they are finished - or nearly so, some more grime on the running gear is needed I think - I realise they are too dirty. I need to hone my weathering skills to produce more lightly weathered vehicles. 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I read that first one as 'Sussex Ground Cats'! Couldn't think why anyone would want to grind cats! Jim 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Caley Jim said: I read that first one as 'Sussex Ground Cats'! Couldn't think why anyone would want to grind cats! There's some very sick people out there you know... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) Sussex Ground Oats were a popular poultry feed, now a popular health food for us humans, usually now made and sold as "steel cut oats". They are chopped-up into quite hard little nibs, and make porridge with quite a different texture from that made from rolled oats. Flahavan's Steel Cut is a Irish brand of the same stuff ...... very nice! For Victorian and Edwardian poultry breeders, there is a long description of Sussex oat grinding technique, using grindstones rather than steel cutting, in here https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QeYVAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=sussex+ground+oats&source=bl&ots=Nz303WtKWW&sig=ACfU3U1VXU_9nNwFhO0_aE4z15mllChl9A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikrZ7R44XkAhWsQRUIHcfhB6EQ6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=sussex ground oats&f=false I can think of several reasons for wanting to grind cats, but haven't given in to temptation so far. Edited August 15, 2019 by Nearholmer 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Nearholmer said: Flahavan's Steel Cut Yum. My nan has this for breakfast. It's good stuff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Found this rather good photo of Dickson & Church’s mill at Isfield. I don’t think this mill was rail-served, but the one at Barcombe, very nearby, had a long private siding, almost a short branch-line, and the more famous one at Robertsbridge had a rail connection that merited its own loco, ‘Pride of Sussex’, in later years. 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Nearholmer said: Found this rather good photo of Dickson & Church’s mill at Isfield. I don’t think this mill was rail-served, but the one at Barcombe, very nearby, had a long private siding, almost a short branch-line, and the more famous one at Robertsbridge had a rail connection that merited its own loco, ‘Pride of Sussex’, in later years. Love the phone numbers. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 You need to ground cats otherwise they get too much static 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted August 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2019 It's still there today... https://goo.gl/maps/RNTBJ5YyM31HvfhNA 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 On 15/08/2019 at 12:29, Martin S-C said: Not a great deal happening with the build at the moment. Neil is taking a well-earned break and my modelling mojo hit rock bottom recently with the illness of a very dear friend. However she is due out of hospital tomorrow and with that good news, yesterday I picked up paintbrush and makeup sponges again and had a go at a few private owner vans. I realise those dedicated to higher modelling and realism standards than I would never have such vehicles on their layouts and I fully understand such decisions when modelling a real location in a real world (I would do the same) but I have always had a soft spot for these Dapol fictional liveried vans and I feel that in a fantasy world like mine they do have their place. Even I, however, avoid the sillier liveries and fonts, some of which are too modern in styling. Some are post grouping but... well, I like them. They lift the colour and mood a little against the fleet of company vans with which I am more limited as to colours and styles, although I did go to town a bit with my GWR inspired red for the WELR fleet. In due course I'll repaint a few vehicles for the owners of industries on my layout. The Snarling gasworks will need a coal wagon or two and the Ledwardine brewery a couple of ale vans. I should probably do some stone wagons for the Forest Stone Co. and Catspaw Quarry. From my MSTS (train simulator) days I will have a horse drawn van lettered up for "Willoughby Fox-Stoate Industrial Adhesives - Carrick Island" which was an industry on a NG empire virtual layout I never finished. In recognition of the one virtual route I did finish I'll possibly have vehicles lettered for the real firms of the Oriental Matting Co., Vorda Works and Bartrop & Sons Agricultural Engineers both of Highworth. Now that they are finished - or nearly so, some more grime on the running gear is needed I think - I realise they are too dirty. I need to hone my weathering skills to produce more lightly weathered vehicles. Very good job on those. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Thank you James, though I am not sure about that. I need to develope a technique for more lightly weathered results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Martin S-C said: Thank you James, though I am not sure about that. I need to develope a technique for more lightly weathered results. Looks subtle and natural, so I'd stick to what you're doing! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronL Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 16/08/2019 at 12:37, Talltim said: You need to ground cats otherwise they get too much static Don't understand. Static is a buildup of negative ions. How can negative ions be cat-ions? 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 This parcel came yesterday and it made me chuckle. Whoa it's huge. What's in it? Oh, just paper and bubble wrap. What's that right in the middle? Ah. A very small box inside a big box. Hm. A very tiny model inside the small box. Note 4mm wagon for scale. It's packaging gone mad. FWIW it's a tar boiler cart for pulling behind a traction engine or even a horse and wagon. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2019 Somebody was definitely making sure it wasn't going to get broken in the post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Harrison Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Madness. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ian Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2019 It is, however, very nice. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Delightful model. Utterly bonkers packaging method. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2019 Lovely little cart with a great amount of detail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Annie said: Somebody was definitely making sure it wasn't going to get broken in the post. They achieved their aim. I imagine (hope?) parcels are charged by weight, not dimensions. The model's main body is resin, probably 3D printed and it is held to the card base of the box mount by a brass screw! Very secure packaging. Its a Dutch company and they are pretty pricey but the model's fine parts are brass etches and they obviously build, paint and weather the whole thing so all considered it wasn't too bad a price. 2 hours ago, James Harrison said: Madness. At least most of the packaging was recycled. I think the pop-wrap was as well which is a good thing. It is a curious state of affairs though. 16 minutes ago, ian said: It is, however, very nice. It is, unusual as well which is why I bought it. I honestly have no idea if such things were used in the UK. As a child I always remember the wonderful smell of tar boilers that were mounted on the flat bed lorries the road workmen drove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2019 Duncan Models do one in 7mm http://www.duncanmodels.co.uk/price_list_steam_vehicles_and_items.htm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted August 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Martin S-C said: This parcel came yesterday and it made me chuckle. Whoa it's huge. What's in it? Oh, just paper and bubble wrap. What's that right in the middle? Ah. A very small box inside a big box. Hm. A very tiny model inside the small box. Note 4mm wagon for scale. It's packaging gone mad. FWIW it's a tar boiler cart for pulling behind a traction engine or even a horse and wagon. It makes sense to me for a company to use a small range of sizes for boxes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 Its the holiday season here in the northern hemisphere so I'm wondering if their small box supplier is on vacation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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