Lochnagar Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Just ordered 5 of these, they look superb. Definitely a contender for wagon of the year here from the pictures. I'll do a review on my ABC Workshops 'Derby Works' Facebook page when I get a quiet mo. Genuinely looking forward to these landing on my doorstep.. I was originally only going to have three but they look so good I've upped it. Bet these don't hang around. Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Lochnagar said: Just ordered 5 of these, they look superb. Definitely a contender for wagon of the year here from the pictures. I'll do a review on my ABC Workshops 'Derby Works' Facebook page when I get a quiet mo. Genuinely looking forward to these landing on my doorstep.. I was originally only going to have three but they look so good I've upped it. Bet these don't hang around. Alex I’d have say not as there very good in there detail there are little things that could have been better, work buffers and working coupling and space for all gauges of wheels other wagons this year which have detail is to a truly high standard of detail would come first but they still a good wagon Roomey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochnagar Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, roomey said: I’d have say not as there very good in there detail there are little things that could have been better, work buffers and working coupling and space for all gauges of wheels other wagons this year which have detail is to a truly high standard of detail would come first but they still a good wagon Roomey I think the Accurascale PCA still takes top spot without a doubt, but this isn't too far behind. It's still in a different league to the Hornby christmas wagon.. LOL. Look forward to seeing yours weathered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox321 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, roomey said: I’d have say not as there very good in there detail there are little things that could have been better, work buffers and working coupling and space for all gauges of wheels other wagons this year which have detail is to a truly high standard of detail would come first but they still a good wagon Roomey Agree, good wagon - but a few bits. I had a black PRA...... Think the largest one, and I'm so surprised its not been mentioned in the thread, is the leaf springs. I am assuming its the same manufacturer that DJ/FTG used on the SPA, because on that they were a really basic moulding. On the PRA they are better, but much more of a "representation", than a fully detailed leaf spring, which the Cemflo from another manufacturer has beautifully executed (See photos below). Printed "Cleats" info, also looses a little definition, on lowest 2 lines, but otherwise really nice paint job. There are a couple of other things, which are really minor, although when I first placed it on a piece of track, I did think the wagon "appears" to sit slightly high regarding the buffer height. Which when placed with a Bachmann Mk2, and Class 47 it does, but with the Revolution TEA, its buffers sits slightly below those of the TEA. So who who knows. Maybe it is right? Regards, C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) Well had have a little shunt before weathering them, they run very well in P4 cheers Roomey Edited September 11, 2019 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2019 Why would you put spare buffers in? Simple, two of mine have fallen off already, good thing there are plenty of spares, will strengthen the others with a touch of glue. So whilst it is a superb wagon it is not wagon of the year by any stretch. Anyway they are down in Nangullow being pushed around by ‘Denise’ 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 That’s both mine completed, washes, and wiped down then airbrush over and dry brush Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted September 12, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 12, 2019 Lovely weathering Roomey, yet to start on mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike knowles Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 11/09/2019 at 10:42, roomey said: Hi all I’ve just converted mine to P4 Ha, beaten me to it! I was just about to show details of the conversion I've done. Having tried fitting the P4 wheelsets initially I was unsure whether they were binding on the backs of the W irons or on the brake gear. So after removing the wheels again I gently prised off the brake gear with a scalpel blade. Although glued in place, with a gentle bit of leverage it was possible to break the bond and remove the brakes without damage. Reinserting the wheels showed they now turned freely so no work was needed on the W irons. I reckoned the tops of the wheel treads were fouling on the bit of plastic sprue which joined the pair of brake shoes together so I just removed this and reattached each brake shoe individually, securing them with a touch of cyano glue and repositioning them to suit the wider gauge. The brake cross shafts were then replaced using slightly longer lengths of 0.31mm wire, sprung into place and secured with more cyano. I've just today received delivery of some Accurascale PCA cement wagons and whilst not wanting to get drawn into the debate over which is the better model it does look like a similar amount of work will be required to convert them to P4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 10 hours ago, mike knowles said: Ha, beaten me to it! I was just about to show details of the conversion I've done. Having tried fitting the P4 wheelsets initially I was unsure whether they were binding on the backs of the W irons or on the brake gear. So after removing the wheels again I gently prised off the brake gear with a scalpel blade. Although glued in place, with a gentle bit of leverage it was possible to break the bond and remove the brakes without damage. Reinserting the wheels showed they now turned freely so no work was needed on the W irons. I reckoned the tops of the wheel treads were fouling on the bit of plastic sprue which joined the pair of brake shoes together so I just removed this and reattached each brake shoe individually, securing them with a touch of cyano glue and repositioning them to suit the wider gauge. The brake cross shafts were then replaced using slightly longer lengths of 0.31mm wire, sprung into place and secured with more cyano. I've just today received delivery of some Accurascale PCA cement wagons and whilst not wanting to get drawn into the debate over which is the better model it does look like a similar amount of work will be required to convert them to P4. Think it depends on wheel sets used I found the fouled mine if check the Accurascale page I did bit how to convert them which is quite easy to do cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I ordered my PRA wagons last weekend which have now arrived and very nice they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne 37901 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 My pair arrived on Saturday and I was most pleased! They'll be used on my layout Trevanna Dries, worked in and out by a class 08 along with VGA vans. Well done to the Kernow team for getting a much needed wagon done and for saving me a scratch building job! Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted September 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2019 Now suitably weathered and in revenue earning service 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium stephennicholson Posted September 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 28, 2019 My pair weathered and having an outing on our club layout. I bought a couple of of Paul Bartlett's photos to use as inspiration. Hopefully their filthy state captured! 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 Several really good photos of PRA's on the West Highland line here https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/albums/72157685023339563/page1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted October 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2019 When being pushed whilst shunting my PRA's are regularly derailing. On review I think they are too light and will benefit from increased weight. Ideally I would add weight to the floor inside the wagon but the roof appears fixed. Has anyone worked out a way to get inside these wagons without drilling holes in the chasis? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, young37215 said: When being pushed whilst shunting my PRA's are regularly derailing. On review I think they are too light and will benefit from increased weight. Ideally I would add weight to the floor inside the wagon but the roof appears fixed. Has anyone worked out a way to get inside these wagons without drilling holes in the chasis? also check the wheel back to backs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted October 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, young37215 said: When being pushed whilst shunting my PRA's are regularly derailing. On review I think they are too light and will benefit from increased weight. Ideally I would add weight to the floor inside the wagon but the roof appears fixed. Has anyone worked out a way to get inside these wagons without drilling holes in the chasis? I glued small off cuts of lead underneath the wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted October 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2019 This months Rail Express has a review which highlights the tension lock couplings are non standard height. I shall be checking these as well as the back to backs. Irrespective of these potential issues, I feel the wagons are lighter than others and will benefit from a little more weight, preferably hidden inside the wagon. On the basis that the roof does not come off the body, it looks like a small hole will need to be drilled in an unobtrusive area to enable some weight to be inserted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The TL couplers are at the right height - however the mounts are not. As such the insert TL couplers supplied have a step in them to compensate for the height difference. This is the same as the original release Bachmann TTA and family. If you use TLs then you will have no issue - however if plan to covert to Kadee or other couplers then the mount is not to NEM standard and will likely require removing and a new mount (or more likely with Kadees an entire coupling box from non NEM socket range) installed at correct height. Quite an easy thing to do (I have plenty of TTAs with this mod) but a little irritating that have to... M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium stephennicholson Posted October 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2019 For NEM Kadees , you can lower the existing coupling pocket to the correct height with a piece of plasticard (cant remember the thickness I used). Successfully did two wagons and verified with a height guage. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 So I’ve fitted my chosen couplings and sprung them along with sprung buffers so they will go round corners and behave themselves by staying on the track, can anyone tell me if the round bit on the end of the air pipe should be there or is it a moulding pip left over from the production process and should be cut off? Thanks in anticipation. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, bubbles2 said: So I’ve fitted my chosen couplings and sprung them along with sprung buffers so they will go round corners and behave themselves by staying on the track, can anyone tell me if the round bit on the end of the air pipe should be there or is it a moulding pip left over from the production process and should be cut off? Thanks in anticipation. the round bit is the shocket on the pipe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanach Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 23/11/2019 at 11:30, bubbles2 said: So I’ve fitted my chosen couplings and sprung them along with sprung buffers so they will go round corners and behave themselves by staying on the track, can anyone tell me if the round bit on the end of the air pipe should be there or is it a moulding pip left over from the production process and should be cut off? Thanks in anticipation. Hi, can I ask , who’s sprung buffers did you use ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 hours ago, meanach said: Hi, can I ask , who’s sprung buffers did you use ? MJT cat. No. 2372 16 inch head buffers by Dart Castings https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt.php 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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