L & L S R

[ddoherty958]

Looking for as much info on the Londonderry and Lough Swilly Railway as possible for an 00 gauge layout.

[Joseph_Pestell]

Well, that does not work does it. Unless you use what we call "Rule One" and imagine that, instead of closure, the line was reguaged. But that would probably have been to the Irish standard of 5'3" which gives a track gauge of 21mm at 4mm/ft scale, or 16.5mm gauge at 3mm/ft (1:100 approx) scale.

 

The L&LSR was narrow-gauge. You could represent it using 16.5mm gauge track and 5.5mm/ft scale (see some wonderful models by a close namesake of yours, Hugh Dougherty).

 

Or you could model to 1:76 scale and use either 12mm or, more correct, 14.2mm gauge track.

Edited July 26, 2018 by Joseph_Pestell

[ddoherty958]

Well, that does not work does it. Unless you use what we call "Rule One" and imagine that, instead of closure, the line was reguaged. But that would probably have been to the Irish standard of 5'3" which gives a track gauge of 21mm at 4mm/ft scale, or 16.5mm gauge at 3mm/ft (1:100 approx) scale.

 

The L&LSR was narrow-gauge. You could represent it using 16.5mm gauge track and 5.5mm/ft scale (see some wonderful models by a close namesake of yours, Hugh Dougherty).

 

Or you could model to 1:76 scale and use either 12mm or, more correct, 14.2mm gauge track.

Yes, I am aware that it was a narrow gauge Railway. But as I’m 13 I had some trains and stock in 00 so I’m going to go with the re-gauging. As long as it looks the part, that’s what really matters

[Horsetan]

….. As long as it looks the part, that’s what really matters

 

This certainly looks the part

[ddoherty958]

 

This certainly looks the part

See my blog for my carn trackplan!

[GoingUnderground]

Yes, I am aware that it was a narrow gauge Railway. But as I’m 13 I had some trains and stock in 00 so I’m going to go with the re-gauging. As long as it looks the part, that’s what really matters

It's so good to hear of someone your age being interested in the hobby. Best of luck with the layout.

[KeithHC]

Yes, I am aware that it was a narrow gauge Railway. But as I’m 13 I had some trains and stock in 00 so I’m going to go with the re-gauging. As long as it looks the part, that’s what really matters

I also agree well done for trying a start with RTR. You may later like to try scratchbuilding using 5.5mm scale. Keep on collecting the information you never know it may become your lifetime project. Ignore other people just do what you want its your railway. 

 

Keith

 

Ps great 4-8-4 tanks and 4-8-0 locos

[GoingUnderground]

I'm sure that you've found the following information already, but just in case you haven't here's some information for you.

 

A link to some photos of L&LSR locos https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/LONDONDERRY-LOUGH-SWILLY-RAILWAY/i-8txNwTH

 

Worsley Works had, and may still have, kits of some of the locos and rolling stock http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/NG/NG_Irish_LLSR.htm

[ddoherty958]

Can I just say thank you to everyone who gave me help and/or said good stuff. It’s appreciated.

I just like model trains. I do my best.

[Nearholmer]

Yes, and before anyone knocks the enthusiasm out of you, it is perfectly possible to model 3ft gauge using ordinary 00 mechanisms, by the simple expedient of adopting 5.5mm/ft scale.

 

if you're prepared to have a bash at making things, its actually a very good scale/gauge combination. there's a 5.5mm/ft thread on here somewhere.

 

A good loco to start with might be a CDR one, rather than LLSR, in the form of Phoenix, which is in the museum at Cultra, which could be built very easily from cardboard, using any one of many cheap four-wheel diesel shunter mechanisms.

 

Wagons and vans are also easy cardboard projects, which can go onto any old secondhand Hornby/Bachmann wagon chassis for starters.

 

Find on old cornflakes packet, and you're on your way ....... most of us started that way, and the internet makes it heaps easier to find photos to work from.

 

If you are good on computer graphics, you can easily design and print your own cardboard kits, so you don't even have to paint anything!

 

good luck with it, Kevin

[ddoherty958]

Yes, and before anyone knocks the enthusiasm out of you, it is perfectly possible to model 3ft gauge using ordinary 00 mechanisms, by the simple expedient of adopting 5.5mm/ft scale.

 

if you're prepared to have a bash at making things, its actually a very good scale/gauge combination. there's a 5.5mm/ft thread on here somewhere.

 

A good loco to start with might be a CDR one, rather than LLSR, in the form of Phoenix, which is in the museum at Cultra, which could be built very easily from cardboard, using any one of many cheap four-wheel diesel shunter mechanisms.

 

Wagons and vans are also easy cardboard projects, which can go onto any old secondhand Hornby/Bachmann wagon chassis for starters.

 

Find on old cornflakes packet, and you're on your way ....... most of us started that way, and the internet makes it heaps easier to find photos to work from.

 

If you are good on computer graphics, you can easily design and print your own cardboard kits, so you don't even have to paint anything!

 

good luck with it, Kevin

Thanks Kevin. I won’t let anyone “knock it out of me”. Never! I’ll take you up on that offer and look into it!

[Ravenser]

The killer for 12mm gauge (OOn3) is the mechanisms - Continental TT RTR is not easy to get , and not particularly cheap. Pointwork is now available, from Peco

 

On 16.5mm gauge , Sn3 1/2 exists and is a recognised option in New Zealand and for Australian 3'6" prototype. Track and mechanisms easy enough - everthing else is a total scratchbuild job

 

A third curve-ball option, but possibly a good one is 3n3 - that is 3mm scale using N gauge RTR mechanisms and 9mm gauge track. Commercial support, especially via the 3mm Society, is significantly greater for 3mm  than for S scale and there are a few people modelling Irish prototypes in 3mm (look up Ballyconnel Road, though that's broad gauge). It is also going to take up the least space of any option. I've seen at least one rather nice 3n3 Irish narrow gauge layout in the press , though it was some years ago. There might be options for etched brass "scratch-aids" via Worsley Works , but I fear that may be above your skill level at your age (not to mention pocket...)

 

There are also 1:100 architectural modelling materials around from specialist sources

 

In all cases , all rolling stock is a total scratchbuild job...….

 

Unless - Alphagraphix do card kits for Irish stuff in 7mm scale . Theoretically - and there may well be copyright and ethical ("taking the bread out of his mouth")issues here - you could buy a kit and scan it down to 4/7ths or 3/7ths size … That could be buildable with Rocket card glue, and cheap. Although scanners are not 100% accurate in scaling and may not be completely consistant either - you may find parts no longer quite fit perfectly

[Nearholmer]

No bad idea - I think alphagraphix make a cardboard Phoenix.

[ddoherty958]

Possible redemption! Look what google images churned out!

[2996 Victor]

Have you got a copy of the J I C Boyd book, "The Londonderry & Lough Silly Railway"? Published by Bradford Barton in 1976.

Lots of great photos of the line, locos, carriages and wagons, plus drawings.

I'm afraid I gave my copy to the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway for their second hand book sales when I had a clear out at Easter. They might still have it.

Good luck with your layout!

Cheers,

Mark

[ddoherty958]

Have you got a copy of the J I C Boyd book, "The Londonderry & Lough Silly Railway"? Published by Bradford Barton in 1976.

Lots of great photos of the line, locos, carriages and wagons, plus drawings.

I'm afraid I gave my copy to the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway for their second hand book sales when I had a clear out at Easter. They might still have it.

Good luck with your layout!

Cheers,

Mark

 

 

Yes, I do. Actually it's not mine, it's my local library's. Guess which library?

 

Guess!

 

 

Carndonagh Library! Right across the road from the old station! It's on station road! Don't beleive me check google maps!

 

There is still irony...                 

[AMJ]

The Dr EM Patterson Lough Swilly book has recently been reprinted by Colourrail, well worth getting a copy from this Northern Irish publishing company.

 

Try your best as you can always improve your models as you gain more skills.

 

Lastly, ENJOY

[Ravenser]

Possible redemption! Look what google images churned out!

 

Query - what TT Pacific models are available, from where, and will they fit? (There may be a chassis specified by the designer - I assume some kind of Pacific must be available in TT)

[ddoherty958]

Query - what TT Pacific models are available, from where, and will they fit? (There may be a chassis specified by the designer - I assume some kind of Pacific must be available in TT)

Honestly I don’t know. I was just looking for images of the L&LSR trains and this popped up.

[Ravenser]

Honestly I don’t know. I was just looking for images of the L&LSR trains and this popped up.

 

A little work with Google suggests there's good news and bad:

 

http://www.3smr.co.uk/readytorun.html

 

This is at least from a British source , and there's a Pacific , but the price is eye-watering - £386! Ouch. The Bo-Bo diesels are much more affordable - but that doesn't help you.

 

Tillig have models - but though cheaper they merely cost an arm , instead of an arm and a leg....https://www.tillig.com/eng/Dampflokomotiven-Seite-2.html

 

Doing anything with the 3D printed body is going to hinge on the availability of a suitable chassis (That's not necessarily an argument for not buying the 3D print - it may no longer be available when you've cracked the chassis problem)