How Not To Draw Attention To Yourself

[kevinlms]

Green flags? What year is it?  

 

We've had plastic lollipops for years. 

 

https://blog.railwaymuseum.org.uk/the-piece-of-plastic-that-keeps-the-rail-network-running/

 

 

 

Jason

Well I was last in the UK in 1980! But the point is the same, you can't prevent a passenger from wearing clothing that looks like a railway item.

[royaloak]

[pedant mode]. That sign relates to railway enthusiasts. So it would seem to be ok for non railway enthusiasts to wear hi vis clothing [/pedant mode]

Who would normally be going to or from work so unlikely to be at the station for long, they would be standing with the rest of the passengers and would be unlikely to go into off limit areas as the bloke pictured clearly has, so I find it unlikely he is a 'normal'!

[kevinlms]

So jogging bottoms, a non hi-viz rucksack (and no doubt trainers) are PPI equipment now are they?

 

You can normally tell rail workers from the way they stand and walk and I would bet good money he isnt staff and is simply wearing a vi-viz so he can ignore the limit signs and wander where-ever he wants to.

Could you please point out, where I stated that he was railway staff/contractor? I can't seem to find it!

 

I suppose to be pedantic he has passed the sign, which is actually mounted on a convenient lamp post, possibly because more secure than mounted on a wooden fence. Would a magistrate, take into account that he was 1 metre at the most behind the sign?

 

Somehow I doubt it.

 

Is there any evidence whatsoever, that this person, went beyond the location presented in the photograph? Such as off the platform?  If he did, he deserves the full extent of the law, otherwise, its like driving 1 MPH over the speed limit. I'm sure the BTP or whatever they're called these days, have much more important things to do.

[kevinlms]

Who would normally be going to or from work so unlikely to be at the station for long, they would be standing with the rest of the passengers and would be unlikely to go into off limit areas as the bloke pictured clearly has, so I find it unlikely he is a 'normal'!

Is there a new rule that prevents people from going up near the end of the platform & instead MUST hang around with everyone else? What if he has a while to wait for a train, no harm in looking for what's around.

 

This sounds like yet another, 'We railway staff, hate passengers, contractors and ESPECIALLY railway enthusiasts ' thread.

Edited August 1, 2018 by kevinlms

[Fat Controller]

Surprised she didn't think you were a schoolboy!

It's a very long time since I was a schoolboy..

[Nearholmer]

Now, lets assume she visits Eastleigh station; what then, eh?

[sp1]

Now, lets assume she visits Eastleigh station; what then, eh?

What on earth is that necklace he’s wearing?

[big jim]

So I am not an official railworker then as my company issued Hi-viz is plain on the back.

 

Unless it’s changed or slightly different rules apply for passenger drivers then there should be your company name on the hi-viz, it’s certainly something that was mentioned during my T3 training (and I’m sure PTS?) so as to identify a person or persons doing any unsafe practices on worksites as there can be a number of different contractors working at any time

 

All companies I’ve worked for have had the name on be it freight or passenger

 

EDIT: just had a look at my rule book and it just says ‘clean hi-viz’ no mention of company name but it’s defiantly something I’ve heard in the not too distant past

Edited August 1, 2018 by big jim

[Nearholmer]

Sp1

 

He's the Rapper in Ordinary to the Duchy of Lancaster.

 

What he's saying is:

 

If ya wanna get seen,

wear a hi-viz coat,

an' go aroun' wiv

a medal at your throat.

Ya won't get missed

from da cab win-dow

when you put that ridiculous

gear on show.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Nearholmer

[big jim]

Now, lets assume she visits Eastleigh station; what then, eh?

Dunno about Eastleigh but she wouldn’t get on the platform at Blackpool!

[Dunsignalling]

Now, lets assume she visits Eastleigh station; what then, eh?

Doesn't count as Hi-Viz as there aren't any reflective strips.

[LBRJ]

So jogging bottoms, a non hi-viz rucksack and trainers are PPI equipment now are they?

 

You can normally tell rail workers from the way they stand and walk and I would bet good money he isnt staff and is simply wearing a vi-viz so he can ignore the limit signs and wander where-ever he wants to.

 

Edit-

He is wearing trainers.

 

Interesting point the part I have emboldened.

Even now, after over half a decade post railway, when I am at or around a station, I can guarantee people will ask me all sorts of questions, often when there are uniformed staff about. Maybe I look less lost than all the other folk!

 

As to the chap in the OP at least in his HV he can be seen, and its not like he has gone wandering off up the ECML for a better look at summat, even if he is nearly a yard past the sign.

[Nearholmer]

If you wanna see the shiny bits,

Then look at the bling,

And the great big dangly thing

Hanging on a string.

If they ain’t enough,

To catch the flicker,

Drive more slowly;

You ain’t fit to go quicker.

[dhjgreen]

...when I am at or around a station, I can guarantee people will ask me all sorts of questions, often when there are uniformed staff about. Maybe I look less lost than all the other folk! ...

Many years ago, I was asked for directions at Dallas/FW airport (a fiendishly complicated airport); the sad thing is I had been there that often I was able to help.  The chap's face was a picture when he heard my British accent.

[Enterprisingwestern]

I thought;

The general idea for wearing Hi Viz around a railway installation (or indeed any situation/installation) was to be seen clearly if you happened to be in a position of any degree of danger.

To me, this person is thinking he can wander where he wants safely because he has appropriate clothing on, borne out by the fact that he has already ignored a sign put there by people who know better than him. To me, it's not what he is doing, it's what he's likely to think he can do and gat away with it.

Having already breached one rule, perhaps he should be removed from the station by the appropriate staff before he escalates his stupidity?

 

Mike.

[Colin_McLeod]

Surely a bit OTT/jobsworth to remove him. Why not a customer friendly approach to ensure all is well and that he remains safe?

[Enterprisingwestern]

Surely a bit OTT/jobsworth to remove him. Why not a customer friendly approach to ensure all is well and that he remains safe?

 

Yes, but without having a full psychological assessment on him, who's going to keep an eye on him whilst ever he is on the station to make sure he doesn't trespass further. If a friendly approach is taken and something more serious did happen, then we're into the where there's blame there's a claim scenario.

 

Mike.

[royaloak]

Could you please point out, where I stated that he was railway staff/contractor? I can't seem to find it!

Can you please point me to where I specifically asked you? 

 

Mind as you get off your high horse, it is a long way down! 

Edited August 1, 2018 by royaloak

[royaloak]

Interesting point the part I have emboldened.

Even now, after over half a decade post railway, when I am at or around a station, I can guarantee people will ask me all sorts of questions, often when there are uniformed staff about. Maybe I look less lost than all the other folk!

 

As to the chap in the OP at least in his HV he can be seen, and its not like he has gone wandering off up the ECML for a better look at summat, even if he is nearly a yard past the sign.

If he stayed where he was supposed to he wouldnt need to be seen would he so no need for the hi-viz.

[Nearholmer]

“To me, it's not what he is doing, it's what he's likely to think he can do and get away with it.”

 

And, it’s because of the existence of that line of thinking that the principle of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ exists for all of our protection from the suspicions of one another.

 

By all means go and say ‘hello’, and gently remind him about the ‘not beyond here’ restrictions, and in the process sus out whether he might be at risk of suicide, but beyond that, leave him be ...... he is not actually doing anything dangerous; all the rest of it is your perception.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Nearholmer

[royaloak]

“To me, it's not what he is doing, it's what he's likely to think he can do and get away with it.”

 

And, it’s because of the existence of that line of thinking that the principle of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ exists for all of our protection from the suspicions of one another.

 

By all means go and say ‘hello’, and gently remind him about the ‘not beyond here’ restrictions, and in the process sue out whether he might be at risk of suicide, but beyond that, leave him be ...... he is not actually doing anything dangerous; all the rest of it is your perception.

So as long as he isnt doing anything dangerous he can go where he likes!

Honestly!

[stewartingram]

Any Supervisor seeing hi-viz on his station should challenge them, as they should sign in with him.

 

Stewart

[caradoc]

This all seems to be making something of a mountain out of a molehill; Yes, he has gone slightly beyond the 'Do not pass this point' sign, but he is not harming himself, anyone else, or damaging or affecting the railway, so live and let live. 

 

I sometimes use the train before or after a cycle trip, during which (to reduce my chance of being knocked into eternity by a motorist or lorry driver) I wear a high visibility (Eastleigh staff please note the correct spelling) top; I hope I'm not now going to be pounced on by railway or security staff and interrogated as to my intentions or mental state !

[njee20]

Best make sure you're never on Great Western territory, or Royaloak may have you escorted from the premises, subjected to a full psychological evaluation and then arrested because of things he thinks you may be about to do.

 

 

Any Supervisor seeing hi-viz on his station should challenge them, as they should sign in with him.

 

What? Literally anyone in a hi-viz jacket, like the aforementioned cyclists, or builders, or any site workers travelling to work? They have to sign in? There's not half some nonsense here sometimes!

[kevinlms]

Now, lets assume she visits Eastleigh station; what then, eh?

But this family has a reputation for going beyond the limits of the platform, for a VERY long time!

 

https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/princess-elizabeth-and-prince-philip-talk-to-engineer-a-news-photo/585583385#princess-elizabeth-and-prince-philip-talk-to-engineer-a-mcphail-on-picture-id585583385