markw Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, jessy1692 said: Cheers Mark, that helps a lot knowing Sainsburys did have 30fters. Agreed on ML i dont think they had the flat sided 30fter, however, i think iv seen an OCL one in 30ft- but that may have been on the EMGauge 70s site. Ta for the info James OCL had plain sided containers in 20' and 40' but I have not seen any 30'. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, markw said: OCL had plain sided containers in 20' and 40' but I have not seen any 30'. Hi Mark, Many thanks for the information, this will help greatly in the production of a more accurate rendition of the originals. Using a pair of Hornby 30' boxes it would be plausible to cut 10' from one and then add it to another to make a 20' and 40' box. Having had a quick look through Freightliner Life and Times I notice that there are quite a few photographs with a 20' and 40' OCL box on each flat. Do post more photos that may be suitable for the Hornby flat sided box even if they are20' boxes for cutting them down is relatively easy. Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, markw said: OCL had plain sided containers in 20' and 40' but I have not seen any 30'. Thanks Mark, thats a great bit of info, looks like more cutting and shutting is in order! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2020 Apologies for a rather grainy image with 20' boxes in 1979/80. The first looks like a lion's head? the second I think is P&O, then OCL x2 and CAST ribbed 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Davexoc said: Apologies for a rather grainy image with 20' boxes in 1979/80. The first looks like a lion's head? the second I think is P&O, then OCL x2 and CAST ribbed Interesting lionhead potential there, time for a google Ta for posting Dave James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, jessy1692 said: Interesting lionhead potential there, time for a google Ta for posting Dave James The first one is Shipping Corporation of New Zealand and the ribbed one is ACT not CAST, the next one is Hapag Lloyd. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, markw said: The first one is Shipping Corporation of New Zealand and the ribbed one is ACT not CAST, the next one is Hapag Lloyd. Hi Mark, Is the ACT box a modifed Knightwing kit ? I used two of them as Freightliner containers by cutting 1.5mm off the total height of the kit, as below The Knightwing box is placed centrally on the wagon. Gibbo. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Mark, Is the ACT box a modifed Knightwing kit ? I used two of them as Freightliner containers by cutting 1.5mm off the total height of the kit, as below The Knightwing box is placed centrally on the wagon. Gibbo. Yes it is modified knightwing, it has been reduced in height length and width, I will scratchbuild in plasticard if I do any more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2020 Don't know if it has any info you may need but there's an Intermodal/Containers section in the 'Special Interests' sub-forum https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/forum/243-intermodalcontainers/ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 16 hours ago, jessy1692 said: Thanks Mark, thats a great bit of info, looks like more cutting and shutting is in order! If you are modelling the early days of Freightliner, before ISO boxes became prevalent, then the longest boxes were 27' long. This is because regulations covering overall road vehicle lengths wouldn't permit anything longer (there was, I believe, one make of tractor unit that would permit 30' trailers, but I can't remember the details). I 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 In standard box form the 27ft containers were 'C' ( 'A' & 'B' being 10ft & 20ft respectively). Withdrawn 'C' containers were in use for storage, around Stratford Freightliner depot by 1975 (I went there as part of a school project). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Fat Controller said: If you are modelling the early days of Freightliner, before ISO boxes became prevalent, then the longest boxes were 27' long. This is because regulations covering overall road vehicle lengths wouldn't permit anything longer (there was, I believe, one make of tractor unit that would permit 30' trailers, but I can't remember the details). I Thanks for that Fat Controller, im sort of modelling the early mid section so mainly 20fts n 30fts but will chuck a couple of C types in as well. Cheer James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Fat Controller said: If you are modelling the early days of Freightliner, before ISO boxes became prevalent, then the longest boxes were 27' long. This is because regulations covering overall road vehicle lengths wouldn't permit anything longer (there was, I believe, one make of tractor unit that would permit 30' trailers, but I can't remember the details). I Due to delays, by the time the Freightliner service started 30' was permitted. Other than the Freightliner owned containers 27' would be very rare if they existed at all. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 For historical information this journal https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence.informa.com/LL110434/New-chapter-opens-as-Containerisation-International-turns-50 should be sourced. I only have some from the later 1970s/80s. I've no idea how to find this apart from through the British Library. I've never looked to see if the NRM has them. The CA containers were originally Speedfreight, pre Freightliner from 1964 and carried on the chassis from long Tubes. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/speedfreight as mentioned although few of them they survived well as grounded stores. Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Right then, the end of the container obsession is in sight, just the last few to varnish and BP tanks to transfer up. I would have loved to have done a few more variants but iv spent enough time on them and have far more containers than i have flats for! Heres a selection of sizes of OCL, Manchester Liners and Sainsburys Beef ones just finished at the weekend. As discussed the 30ft & 20ft containers probably arnt 100% accurate being chopped down/ detailed Hornby ones but look the part to me rule 1 and all that. One day ill probably do some more but im off boxes and flats for a while! Happy to share the artwork if anyone else fancies making their own transfers. Cheers James 8 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Manchester Liners is a name you don't hear much of these days. One of their containers ships smashed into the the lock gates at Irlam gates of the Manchester Ship Canal in 1969 meaning the water level had to be lowered for a couple of months. Manchester Courage incident 1969 by Irlam,Cadishead,Rixton with Glazebrook old photos, on Flickr 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Early containers Flickr link. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Michael Delamar said: Early containers Flickr link. Hi Michael, Thanks for posting the photograph here. The box in the foreground is 003C York Trailers, lot 3510, 27', The 27' open is either 001J, 002J or 003J more research required for that one. The background container boxes are from right to left: 002A Shildon, 1964, lot 3486, 10'. 002C Duralumin, 1964, lot 3504, 27'. 001C Shildon, 1964, lot 3488, 27'. 001A Shildon, 1964, lot 3486, 10'. The flat wagons that the boxes in the background are mounted on are the prototype 40' wagons built at Shildon in 1964 numbers B601001/2 Outers and B602001/2 Inners, see below: Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I think that photo must have been taken at the same time as those in a 1964 issue of 'Transport Age' magazine I have. The Drott mobile container cranes were used in quite a number of early Liner depots. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 Hi Folks, I have discovered a more detailed close up photograph of a Tartan Arrow container. I have been thinking about building some of these in both 20' and 30' versions and have ordered some Hornby 30' box mouldings to make a start Gibbo. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 On 30/10/2020 at 21:21, Gibbo675 said: Hi Folks, I have discovered a more detailed close up photograph of a Tartan Arrow container. I have been thinking about building some of these in both 20' and 30' versions and have ordered some Hornby 30' box mouldings to make a start Gibbo. Looking forward to seeing them on your desk Gibbo, i do have another Skits detail pack in store so ill be doing another 2 or 3 flats as a short rake one day these would make a very interesting addition. Cheers James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Containerway containers at Chester 1971 by KDH Archive 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 The Paris-London Freightliner which operated in 1968 and 1969, via the train ferry. Slightly missing the point of the ease of trans-shipping containers... Note the standard Freightliner flats modified with ferry tie-downs etc, and that only ISO containers are carried (no Freightliner ones) 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 It's not that clear, but a comment on the photo says that the containers say Scottish Beef For Sainsburys which I believe Hornby made models of many years ago. Ferryhill 1968 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Yes, though they used their smooth sided 30 foot container. They did do the 20 foot open as on the fourth flat there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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