Ruston Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Excellent! Thanks very much! As you can see, I asked Killian if he could draw up a 3D print for the dome. Looks like I'll have to make the rest of the engine now... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 this took some head scratching 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Killian keane said: this took some head scratching Looking good there. It does need a flat on the side that can be drilled to take a steam pipe, as seen here on COUNTESS. Or probably better still, have the flange with bolts so the pipe can be fitted into the flange. Edited November 1, 2019 by Ruston 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 The plan for the E.B. Wilson/Manning Wardle/Castle Mill "Lord Ward" 0-4-0 so far. Pantograph-milled parts: Frames Rods Motion Bracket Slide Bars Running Plate Buffer Beams Weatherboard Side Sheets Smokebox Boiler Backhead Tender Frames Tender bodywork Splashers Milled and/or turned brass parts. Cylinders Sand Boxes Tender Toolbox 3D-Printed parts: Chimney Steam Dome Small Dome Proprietary parts: High Level Gearbox Cheap Chinese 10/15 Motor Loco Wheels - Alan Gibson 3ft. 8in, Barclay wheels? (too small) Pantograph-milled wheels with Alan Gibson steel tyres (4ft.)? Tender Wheels? Detail parts: Think of that later. Front of boiler full of lead. Leading axle of tender- wheels turn but bear no weight. Weight of tender is transferred to loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I'm no engineer, but I do know there is a way of incorporating a cantilever into the drawbar. I also know Shapeways now offers brass and bronze printing, but it seems Shapeways took Brexit as an opportunity to flip England off. I'd wager brass printing would be cost prohibitive for the chimney & domes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted November 2, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 2, 2019 13 hours ago, AlfaZagato said: it seems Shapeways took Brexit as an opportunity to flip England off. I’d better move to Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland, then... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 I bought 5 L&Y wagon kits, from Barry O, just over a week ago. All L&Y, two half-box wagons, one single plank wagon, one van and one motor car van. They're all from a manufacturer that I have never heard of before. The first one to be built and finished is this 10ft. 6in. wheelbase half-box wagon. The instructions and packaging don't say exactly which diagram it's meant to be and I can't find any in Noel Coates' book with that curved brake lever but it's still made up into a nice model. They're obviously intended for LMS modellers as there was an LMS plate moulded on the solebar, which had to be filed off. There was also a moulded plate for the load instructions on the side, which I also filed off and replaced with a transfer. I didn't use the one-piece plastic axle guards, axle boxes and springs; these were replaced by 51L Models etched and cast whitemetal parts. The tie bar I added myself and is just a length of brass wire. This is the box of the next one in works. I guess they are no longer available? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Always interesting to see a vanished kit name, especially injectors. I suppose the question is whether the kit is reasonable? Also, is the L&Y half-box meant to be plywood? I hadn't thought plywood was used until wartime austerity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 6, 2019 Author Share Posted November 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, AlfaZagato said: Always interesting to see a vanished kit name, especially injectors. I suppose the question is whether the kit is reasonable? Also, is the L&Y half-box meant to be plywood? I hadn't thought plywood was used until wartime austerity? No, it's not meant to be plywood. There are planks on the model but, oddly, the plank lines are raised. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ruston said: There are planks on the model but, oddly, the plank lines are raised. A common fault on the MAJ kits. They etched/milled the plank lines into the mould rather than etch the planks themselves hence the 'back to front' appearance. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike morley Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I've recently built a couple of Cambrian kits with the same arrangement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Traxson Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) I built quite a few of these in the 1970's and they make up into nice wagons and vans despite the raised "groove" planking. They came with a nice chassis sprue which was common to all their L & Y wagon kits and had correct L & Y brake gear on and two different chassis lengths, in fact two complete chassis. Colin Ashby produced some other L & Y bodies to fit on the MAJ chassis which nicely used up the spares from the kits and I purchased quite a few only for MAJ to close down before I had enough spare chassis. These bodies still languish in a drawer as I discovered them whilst moving home last year! If I remember correctly there was a Double end door wagon,as in the OP, a lower sided wagon, the motor car van, and van with a roof door, all of which I still have, built, in one of my boxes of 4 mm. scale kits. My build of the roof door wagon even netted me a trophy for goods vehicles at the Nottingham Exhibition in 1982. They always added interest in a train as they were longer wheelbase than most other railway companies standard vehicles and so broke up the uniformity. I really must get round to cataloguing my 4 mm. stuff as the house move brought to my attention just how much I have, how did I manage to amass over 250 wagons? Phil T. Edited November 7, 2019 by Phil Traxson 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Traxson Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Now annoyed and bemused. Thought I would take some photo's of said models and can't find the box with my LMS liveried vans in, all other boxes are there, were all packed together for my house move and I brought all my rolling stock over myself when I saw how the removal men were packing the van. Stored for a while at my daughters in Beddgelert, Hope there is still a box I missed in her attic. Dohh. Phil T. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 8, 2019 Author Share Posted November 8, 2019 I have made some of the patterns for the Lord Ward type 0-4-0. 12 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurenceb Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) On 07/11/2019 at 14:42, Phil Traxson said: I built quite a few of these in the 1970's and they make up into nice wagons and vans despite the raised "groove" planking. They came with a nice chassis sprue which was common to all their L & Y wagon kits and had correct L & Y brake gear on and two different chassis lengths, in fact two complete chassis. Colin Ashby produced some other L & Y bodies to fit on the MAJ chassis which nicely used up the spares from the kits and I purchased quite a few only for MAJ to close down before I had enough spare chassis. These bodies still languish in a drawer as I discovered them whilst moving home last year! If I remember correctly there was a Double end door wagon,as in the OP, a lower sided wagon, the motor car van, and van with a roof door, all of which I still have, built, in one of my boxes of 4 mm. scale kits. My build of the roof door wagon even netted me a trophy for goods vehicles at the Nottingham Exhibition in 1982. They always added interest in a train as they were longer wheelbase than most other railway companies standard vehicles and so broke up the uniformity. I really must get round to cataloguing my 4 mm. stuff as the house move brought to my attention just how much I have, how did I manage to amass over 250 wagons? Phil T. They breed Edited November 11, 2019 by laurenceb extraneous word Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatty 139 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 08/11/2019 at 18:36, Ruston said: I have made some of the patterns for the Lord Ward type 0-4-0. Are you sure that there is a section of frame between the horns, after hours of looking at photos of these and what other builders did at the period I am kind of convinced that they did not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, Beatty 139 said: Are you sure that there is a section of frame between the horns, after hours of looking at photos of these and what other builders did at the period I am kind of convinced that they did not. In all but one photo (the last one I posted on this page) the rods are down, with the crank pins in the six-o-clock position, so it's difficult to see whether or not there was a part of the frame behind the rods. I'm leaving it in because if it's not there the frame plate, at the point where it's slotted for the motion bracket, is less than a millimetre deep and it will surely bend or break without it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatty 139 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ruston said: In all but one photo (the last one I posted on this page) the rods are down, with the crank pins in the six-o-clock position, so it's difficult to see whether or not there was a part of the frame behind the rods. I'm leaving it in because if it's not there the frame plate, at the point where it's slotted for the motion bracket, is less than a millimetre deep and it will surely bend or break without it. Yes the whole thing is quite light in construction at that point the from what I can see the stretcher and motion plate all are one which would have no doubt help the whole loco, I do wish that lad wasn’t posed there in that photo to give a clue as to what was going on around the mounting of the cylinders and the front end. Edited November 11, 2019 by Beatty 139 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Dave, any further thoughts on the wheels we talked about last Saturday morning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Modeller Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 How about this one 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Modeller Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Also this one built by Manning Wardle to Wilson designs for Davies & Swain, contracctors to the Cambrian Rwys 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 hours ago, micknich2003 said: Dave, any further thoughts on the wheels we talked about last Saturday morning? Hi Mick. At the moment I'm going to fit some Romford-style wheels that have plastic centres. I'll get it running on those first and then I'll see about making some like we spoke about. I'll be taking a break from building the Lord Ward to work on milling the frames for something else but the postie hasn't delivered a vital component yet. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatty 139 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Armchair Modeller said: How about this one This image has caught my eye before because of the wheels, sadly you can’t read the name it could be Wellington 176 of 1865 or Himley 7 of 1859 as all the others are photographed and have what I think are backwards T spoked wheels, I don’t think they are H spoke having studied the various images. The rebuild of Victory has T spoke wheels and does the other 0-4-2 reputedly rebuild from Round Oak which I can’t find any reference too or Lord Ward which is another lost in a vail of mystery. i don’t think it is Himley as Brandon and Countess also of 1859 both have good clear images with T spoke wheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ruston Posted November 16, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2019 In chapter XIII of The Chronicles of Boulton's Siding, Alfred Rosling Bennett writes that I.W. Boulton put Lady Of The Lakes on his for sale list, priced at £700 but she did not sell and after hanging about in the siding for a couple of years was sold to Beyer Peacock, presumably for scrap. This is, of course, incorrect. In 1868, when on business over on the wrong side o' t'hill, Mr. Ozias Harding spotted the engine in Boulton's siding and did a deal to buy her. She was overhauled, given a new boiler and delivered to the CVMR under her own steam, driven by I.W, Boulton himself. This is what I've been waiting all week for the postie to deliver. It's a 3D-print of Lady Of The Lakes, as designed and printed by Turbosnail (Tom) of this parish. I'll be making two milled brass chassis, one for me and one for Tom. 19 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tullygrainey Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Ruston said: This is what I've been waiting all week for the postie to deliver. It's a 3D-print of Lady Of The Lakes, as designed and printed by Turbosnail (Tom) of this parish. I'll be making two milled brass chassis, one for me and one for Tom. That is a beautifully smooth print. Looking forward to seeing this progress. Alan 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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